SlothMama@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 03:59
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The conceptual framework is entirely different though. It’s regarded as a treatment for homosexuality at worst, or at best medical treatment of a birth defect.
Iran isn’t a hub for transgender surgery because they have the same idea about what transgender means as the US does, it’s more like they accept the idea that some men were supposed to be born as women and they concede it to be a medical issue that demands treatment.
My words aren’t explaining it the best, but I’m familiar with the mentality and the ideas that prop up that mentality.
cheese_greater@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 10:39
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It blows my mind how they stumble ass-backwards into—gasp! A nuanced, partially-reasonable understanding
Aren’t homosexual men forced to surgically transition or be put to death?
SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 20 Oct 04:25
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This is a story I heard second hand. Have not verified it cause Iranian history gives me a headache.
After the revolution Khomeini started persecuting minorities and women, despite having promised not to.
Some trans woman kept going to his house and harassed him until he agreed to at least keep protections for trans people.
Iran is the odd one out of middle eastern countries where it thinks being gay is abhorrent but being trans means you’re defective and need the appropriate healthcare. Not that public healthcare in Iran is great. And people are still transphobic.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
on 20 Oct 04:40
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ha, no.
if youre gay you get murdered unless you capitulate to surgery. this is just that terrible regime forcing surgery on people who dont want it but also dont want to die. it has nothing to do with trans protections/rights/whatevs
Iran does tons of gender affirming surgery (the thing the trans campaigners are pushing for more of)
It does as much surgery as the US plus more.
And all of that surgery (the entire current US surgery docket plus more) is for the wrong reasons.
So what protections are in place in the US to prevent surgery being done for the same ‘wrong’ reasons?
Is that US healthcare system is so notorious for its concern for people over profit and never ever advises treatments that benefit the insurance companies more than the patient?
Is the the notoriously open and friendly attitude some states have toward gays and lesbians so that those people grow up completely comfortable with expressing who they are?
Is the notoriously healthy mental state of our nation’s teenagers so that every decision they make is well thought through and not at all influenced by their peer group, parents, social media, or culture?
No. It’s fuck all. It’s blind ideological faith that something being legally mandated and something being well marketed have radically different effects on people’s willingness to comply.
Well, they do. People are far less willing to comply with something that is legally mandated and will often risk their lives to resist.
sylveon@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 20 Oct 07:14
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So what protections are in place in the US to prevent surgery being done for the same ‘wrong’ reasons?
The difference is you’re not forced to get it under the threat of death. And I’m not American, but as far as I know you also need a psychological evaluation to get it.
If the healthcare system was actually brainwashing people into getting surgeries they don’t need that would be a general issue, not specifically a trans one.
In reality the regret rates for gender affirming surgery is usually found to be under 1%, which is extremely low and lower than almost any other type of surgery. See e.g. A systematic review of patient regret after surgery.
I’ve just noticed the post you removed. I assumed it was my rant about the implications of this news story, but no. It’s the post with the actual fucking data in it from two medical sources…
Where exactly was the misinformation. Was it the Cass report, or the critiques offered by medical professionals in a medical journal?
And you wonder why people get angry about these issues…
EndlessApollo@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 08:50
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SRS isn’t done on children. That’s a lie told by conservatives who want to act like children are groomed into being trans. I really hope that’s not what you’re implying here
No, that’s not what I’m implying. I don’t believe I even mentioned children, but if you want to quote the part you think implies that children undergo such surgery I’ll be glad to add an edit to clarify.
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The conceptual framework is entirely different though. It’s regarded as a treatment for homosexuality at worst, or at best medical treatment of a birth defect.
Iran isn’t a hub for transgender surgery because they have the same idea about what transgender means as the US does, it’s more like they accept the idea that some men were supposed to be born as women and they concede it to be a medical issue that demands treatment.
My words aren’t explaining it the best, but I’m familiar with the mentality and the ideas that prop up that mentality.
It blows my mind how they stumble ass-backwards into—gasp! A nuanced, partially-reasonable understanding
Aren’t homosexual men forced to surgically transition or be put to death?
This is a story I heard second hand. Have not verified it cause Iranian history gives me a headache.
After the revolution Khomeini started persecuting minorities and women, despite having promised not to.
Some trans woman kept going to his house and harassed him until he agreed to at least keep protections for trans people.
Iran is the odd one out of middle eastern countries where it thinks being gay is abhorrent but being trans means you’re defective and need the appropriate healthcare. Not that public healthcare in Iran is great. And people are still transphobic.
ha, no.
if youre gay you get murdered unless you capitulate to surgery. this is just that terrible regime forcing surgery on people who dont want it but also dont want to die. it has nothing to do with trans protections/rights/whatevs
So, let me get this straight.
Iran does tons of gender affirming surgery (the thing the trans campaigners are pushing for more of)
It does as much surgery as the US plus more.
And all of that surgery (the entire current US surgery docket plus more) is for the wrong reasons.
So what protections are in place in the US to prevent surgery being done for the same ‘wrong’ reasons?
Is that US healthcare system is so notorious for its concern for people over profit and never ever advises treatments that benefit the insurance companies more than the patient?
Is the the notoriously open and friendly attitude some states have toward gays and lesbians so that those people grow up completely comfortable with expressing who they are?
Is the notoriously healthy mental state of our nation’s teenagers so that every decision they make is well thought through and not at all influenced by their peer group, parents, social media, or culture?
No. It’s fuck all. It’s blind ideological faith that something being legally mandated and something being well marketed have radically different effects on people’s willingness to comply.
Well, they do. People are far less willing to comply with something that is legally mandated and will often risk their lives to resist.
The difference is you’re not forced to get it under the threat of death. And I’m not American, but as far as I know you also need a psychological evaluation to get it.
If the healthcare system was actually brainwashing people into getting surgeries they don’t need that would be a general issue, not specifically a trans one.
In reality the regret rates for gender affirming surgery is usually found to be under 1%, which is extremely low and lower than almost any other type of surgery. See e.g. A systematic review of patient regret after surgery.
Removed for transphobia and misinformation.
Well. That didn’t take long.
Edit.
I’ve just noticed the post you removed. I assumed it was my rant about the implications of this news story, but no. It’s the post with the actual fucking data in it from two medical sources…
Where exactly was the misinformation. Was it the Cass report, or the critiques offered by medical professionals in a medical journal?
And you wonder why people get angry about these issues…
SRS isn’t done on children. That’s a lie told by conservatives who want to act like children are groomed into being trans. I really hope that’s not what you’re implying here
No, that’s not what I’m implying. I don’t believe I even mentioned children, but if you want to quote the part you think implies that children undergo such surgery I’ll be glad to add an edit to clarify.