U.S. Dealers In Full Panic Mode After Canada Green-Lights Chinese Cars
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from Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 06 Feb 2026 04:33
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from Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 06 Feb 2026 04:33
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cross-posted from: discuss.online/post/35133068
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Good, maybe they’ll realize nobody wants cars being as complete as AAA video game titles… Aka overpriced shit that’s half assed with loads of issues.
What, you don’t want to update every week? Sure, some of them brick you, but… it’s worth it for the new icons right!!!
It’s called “continuous deployment”. It’s the latest term for not having the hassle of separating development and production.
I’m literally worried about buying a new car. It was bad enough when I did in 2019 getting a car with actual buttons and still half the basic features I have to tap a screen for. It’s never, never felt comfortable like my old Mazda3 2012 or Honda Civic 2003 did. I just want fucking buttons and knobs man. I also hate all of the “safety features”. Which are just essentially “feel safer while using your phone and driving” features that all the idiots on the road use them as. Everyone can see your lane assist correcting you every 5 seconds Debra! You’re gonna kill someone.
Right?! Yeah don’t enforce safer driving practices or anything. Just make it easier to not pay attention.
I’ve always said phones should lock you out of almost every feature when motion/gps data shows movement. Then you have to put in a PIN to use your phone as a passenger. Like the Navi screen warnings of before “do not use while driving”. This way people can be held accountable for the dangerous shit they do.
I must have made it just under the wire
My 2018 Honda Civic doesn’t have a touchscreen, all knobs and buttons, and the only safety features are things like airbags/traction control/ABS
What does the backup camera use for a screen?
You can still have a screen without it being a touchscreen.
Obviously but I find it hard to believe a manufacturer would waste their time with that in 2018, but it does appear to be the case on LX and lower trims. They just get a 5" display.
It runs a tiny RTOS called eCos. Just does backup cam, AM/FM, Bluetooth, and USB sticks (as long as the media is WAV or MP3)
My only complaint is that it sorts media files on USB sticks by timestamp rather than alphabetically
My lexus uses a small screen built into the rearview mirror for the backup cam. Car was designed by people who can do math in their heads.
I also liked a friends Toyota that had screens on the pillar near the side mirrors, that showed that side when you click on your blinker
Afaik Honda explicitly sided with the knobs crowd — though apparently after having flirted with the touchscreens, so presumably some of their cars do have them.
I got a second hand Toyota Corolla last year, '22 reg. Everything has a physical button. It’s got a touchscreen but I rarely use it and doesn’t connect to the internet.
Don’t forget their hurtling towards the subscription model. You pay for all the features, then pay monthly to be able to use them.
The only bright side is that you’ll be able to find hacks that enable them all on piratebay.
Haha probably not TPB but I get what you’re saying. Does anyone actually still use that site?!
It’s not dead. Gotta use sandboxes with software though.
How many US car manufacturer CEOs endorsed Trump? I’m betting a lot.
Good.
Oh no, the poor dealership owners might have to actually compete for once. My heart just bleeds for them. Hearing the NADA CEO say this is bad for consumers is the funniest thing I have read all week. Since when do these guys care about us? They spend all their time lobbying to make direct sales illegal so they can keep tacking on 10,000 dollar market adjustment fees for doing absolutely nothing.
The reality is that American car companies and their dealer cronies have completely abandoned the affordable car market. Everything on the lot right now is a 60,000 dollar emotional support tank. If a Chinese company wants to sell a basic, functional EV for a third of that price, why should I be forced to subsidize some local tycoon’s third vacation home just to get a ride to work?
I am so tired of the fake concern. They aren’t worried about the country or the industry. They are worried their parasitic business model is finally hitting a wall. If Canada is smart enough to let people actually buy what they want, we are going to look like idiots over here paying double for the privilege of being harassed by a salesman in a cheap suit.
Do you write for a living? You should write for a living. 👌
Was gonna say the same thing, evocative
And now a mod removed the comment?! 😔
It’s an AI bot
This community has an AI bot as a mod?
Huh, well, it made good points anyhow, I guess the one thing it’s decent at is fooling me every now and then lol
Un-american here. Does Canada have the same direct sales ban as the US? Same dealer lobby in both countries?
Tesla does not use dealerships in Canada or US. Dealerships and insurance agents, brokers , real estate agents are are redundant leeches on society.
It was a fight though, and that’s probably still going on in some states. There were many lawsuits trying to block them. At one point Tesla was opening locations on native reservations to escape state level protections of car dealerships.
I think common sense won out, believe it or not. Given the dealership model, it makes some sense at least historically, to protect dealers from manufacturers. But when you have a manufacturer that doesn’t have dealerships and never had, where does your argument about protecting these non-existing dealers go?
Some states have a carve out for Tesla only.
Wow, 12! You’re right
And sure enough, searching for Rivian returns that they are only allowed to sell in 25 US states. It probably hasn’t mattered much with the R1 generation being relatively few sales but now that they’re coming out with R2 and R3, and expecting a lot more sales, they need a way around this
It’s ridiculous that any state would create a law for a single manufacturer: that needs to be fixed
Don’t forget their political aspirations!!
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I was confused too. This comment doesn’t look too bad but given it’s a 7 hour old account it made several multi-paragraph comments like this in a formulaic outrage-bait kinda way. This comment looks fine but the full comment history is pretty AI like
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Fair enough. Wish we’d get a reason something was removed though.
That’s what the modlog is for. You can check and see the given reason is “slop spam”, it’s very transparent.
Must not be something the app I use is capable of showing. Thanks. Didn’t know they had that.
Yeah, they’re part of the problem.
We need new instances with better moderation.
Make one, or just some of the many existing ones. That’s the beauty of federation.
FAFO.
Ah, the “American dream”. Competition. Sadly only if it is competition not just lobbying power.
I see we’re in the "find out’ stage of FAFO. Well all the other industries in the Us are imploding, we might as well do the auto industry too. You auto workers are welcome to pull up a stump in front of this nice flaming trashcan I am warming my hands to.
If one buys a Chinese car in Canada, will they have to pay a tariff when registering it in the US?
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They won’t let you import it, or it will be very costly to do so.
It would cost a fortune to import, assuming der Fuhrer will let you.
I actually haven’t thought about maintenance so it’d probably be a no from the get-go
I really hope American car manufacturers go bankrupt. American cars are the worst. The rest of the world has better cars.
You can’t even buy a Toyota truck with a decent bed length though.
I miss the original small Toyota trucks. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-toyota-pickup-3/
American manufacturers (GM, Tesla, Ford) only make up a minority of sales here. The majority of car sales are manufacturers from “the rest of the world.”
Before the current chaos, it really didn’t even make sense to have that distinction. My Toyota and my Honda were both built in the us. Not just assembled, but with a higher percentage of us-manufactured parts than my old pontiac
Why do we care? I can be a shareholder either way, if I had money. The executives dont care about me either way nor do they directly affect me. But it’s nice when the factory is here, employing thousands of my fellow citizens.
Having lived through it, I also understand this was a hard-won battle for local labor, fought for in previous trade battles
They should specialize in muscle cars. Those were fun.
God I fucking hate stealerships. If car dealer cartels in the US as a concept die as a result of this era of idiocy we’re in, that’s a pretty great silver lining.
I’ll take any silver lining, but I’m not sure if whatever replaced it will be any better given how the Chinese have acted in markets they’ve achieved majority stake in.
Tbh being able to purchase cars direct from the manufacturer would be dope. New car dealers are literally nothing but middlemen.
Fully agree. I just don’t trust China any much more than the US to respect privacy and consumer choice. Color me prejudiced if you want, but I’ve dealt with enough Chinese suppliers to have a decent idea of how they operate.
I mean I don’t either, but us unitedstatesians are now subjected to the tender mercies of Palantir, which is kind of fucking awful… so, potato, potato.
Fair. At least the stated mission of the Chinese isn’t to be evil for evil’s sake. Palantir just seems like an accelerationist’s tool and nothing more.
Yep, and the CEO essentially says as much on a regular basis. Not to mention, the origin of the name of the company is the scrying sphere that Sauron and Saruman (the bad guys) in LOTR use, so that’s telling in a comically dark fashion as well.
I don’t drive, so I don’t buy cars. But I’m curious, how would that work to buy directly from the manufacturer as opposed to a dealership? Like I assume they would still have to have the equivalent of a dealership, where inventory is locally stored, can be test driven, can perform servicing. I assume that’s pretty much the same as a dealership right?
If you go to a us dealership, there’s pretty much always some sort of financing deal or somesuch. But there’s also very often a “dealer markup”. Never, ever pay that.
That said, for some cars, they refuse to budge on that. For instance, when the new Nissan Z came out a few years ago, the dealers tacked on like 10-15k pretty much across the board, and then Nissan corporate was surprised when it didn’t sell too well… because the dealerships got too fucking greedy.
If I needed to buy a new car, I’d vastly prefer to just spec it out online, click “order”, and then have a text come in when it arrives at my local Nissan or BMW or Hyundai maintenance facility (as appropriate for the car). I do not want to talk to a human and have to literally socially engineer them into giving me a fair fucking price. Jesus christ.
All dealers gouged all car buyers during Covid shortages. Jeep was particularly agregious and the world would be better without any Stellantis products.
Lmfao who wants to buy a
ChryslerStellantis product? They’re just… bad. They’re not even cheaper. They’re just worse, and break more.They look tough / classy though!
Do they…? I’ve never thought so for the most part, tbh.
Me neither…but that’s the aesthetic. Chrysler is faux luxury, and Jeep is faux ruggedness.
The problem is the sticker price typically already has excessive dealer markup built in. A line that says that is pure scam , never pay that. But even if you consider the list price, there’s an entire industry around trying to figure out the dealer actual cost and how to pay only a reasonable markup. Meanwhile you have these scammer who are paid commission based on how much they can con you out of. Their incentive is to be predatory
Tesla does this. They have showrooms to test drive cars and then you order it online or at the showroom and wait for delivery.
Go to website, order car with exact color, accessory you want.
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Company orders 55 blue, 55 red, 56 yellow, 55 black with 55 power seats, 55 power consol, 55 …
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For example Tesla does not have dealers. They have to have similar functions but they’re owned and operated by Tesla, not a third party
New car experience you go to a dealer, independent middlemen, where they attempt to steer you toward higher profit choices, and the prices are all negotiated where they’re the only ones who know the cost and they have a practiced skill to extract money. It’s exhausting and time consuming
New car experience with Tesla: you may look at the vehicle in the mall or online. you schedule a test drive from wherever is nearest: mine was at the mall they had a showroom in the shopping area and a small section of the parking garage for test drive. You buy online and pay list price where all the options, prices, and financing are visible before you choose to buy. They schedule a pickup time, which might be from a regional service center. Much simpler and easier, and you never feel exploited or scammed
You’re not spending any time getting exploited by a sales-bro, none of that stupid thing where they “have to speak to their manager” so you can stew or second guess. No games with interest or tradeins, surprise incentives, bargains with the devil
Yeah, but you’re buying a Tesla, so there is that icky factor to deal with.
Yeah, useless middlemen are kinda a thing in the US economy.
Hate middlemen all you want, but that employment level is the driving economic force behind the middle class. Get rid of the middleman, without any serious wage reforms, and you’ll have a nation of 5% filthy rich, and 95% dirt poor.
I really don’t think it’s that hard.
Other countries have figured it out and nationalized these various industries. The fun part is that there’s still luxury, concierge medical care and insurance too alongside nationalized health care.
We’re pretty much already there. Having worked at a “good” dealership, it became pretty obvious that only the owner and their managers were making good money. Everyone else? Not at all.
Tax filling software companies left the chat.
Such a weird, American-only practice, like with American health insurance. The whole country is a scam, jeez.
It really is
Um, only having been tourist to the US, how does it work?
Edit: the car dealership. What’s different to e.g. Europe (the referenced American only practice)
Which one?
The first comment talks about stealership, the next about weird us practice and I have no idea what they are referring to 😁.
In Europe we habe car dealers, franchise, independent or do buy privately but they can all act independently.
Is there a cartel or something in the US for car dealerships?
In most states, manufacturers are prohibited from selling directly to consumers.
There are a variety of reasons for it, some were consumer-friendly (like preventing the manufactures from monopolizing repair/service), but it basically created a system of middlemen that raised costs.
I worked at a Honda dealership in college and I learned a lot.
For example, when you finance through a dealership, the dealer doesn’t actually put up any money. They find a 3rd party financer then tack on a few percentage points.
Salespersons also earn higher commissions on dealer-provided upsales, such as window-etching, rust-preventative, custom badging, extended warranties, etc, so they try to push those things.
Dealers are also locked into individual manufacturers, usually. That is, a “family” of dealerships, are actually multiple businesses, each with a contract with a different manufacturer.
The person that owned the Honda dealership I worked at, owned others. On one side, they had a Pontiac-Buick-GMC dealer, then Chevy, Chevy truck, and Cadillac on the other side. Even they it was all General Motors, they were run separately. Down the street, they had a dealership that sold both new Toyotas and Subarus.
Thank you.
Sounds like a lot of lock in or lock out.
That’s the neat part, it doesn’t!
We have one of the most car dependent societies in the world and also the highest car prices. Burn it down and deregulate.
Deregulate? So corporations can enslave you completely? Huh?
Where did Americans get this idea that regulation is holding you back? Probably the same “think tanks” that convinced so many they were poor because of immigrants instead of… as usual… the wool being pulled over your eyes by the wealth addicts…
Probably because the regulations protect the corporations while screwing the consumers. If a rule heavily benefits the companies then it could be a good idea to remove it. Although I do think that blanket deregulation is too broad and too prone to being twisted against the populace.
Hmmmm
Want wasn’t it regean that made it a law you couldn’t buy directly from the manufacturer because he was buddies with people who owned major dealerships. And it just stuck since then.
He also imposed an import tax on motorcycles because Harley Davidson was deathly afraid that riders would rush out to purchase a Japanese bike that didn’t drip oil everywhere and reliably starts when you press the button.
Things like that and tariffs are absolutely useful tools for trade issues: TARGETED, TEMPORARY tools. There would have been nothing wrong with temporary protection for Harley Davidson if it were temporary, if there was a deadline where they have to start competing again.
Regulations were put in place to prevent manufacturers from opening their own stores right next to the dealers they worked with. Dealers assume some risk when they take on inventory. Apparently it’s not like a bookstore where any unsold copies just go back to the publisher. It’s still a flimsy justification though and enshrined these middlemen who then enshittified everything. Worse, in some cases manufacturers are entirely prevented from selling direct, even if they don’t work with dealerships. It’s too much.
Bet most of them voted for Trump too.
Which is hilarious considering how so many of them are getting absolutely wrecked by the tariffs. Because they can either eat the tariff and hemorrhage money, or pass on the tariff to customers and hemorrhage sales (and thus hemorrhage money).
I wonder when they’re gonna realize that they should try something other than shooting themselves in the dick? Time will tell, I suppose.
I think they (accidentally, of course) left out the people that it’s worst for.
Once these guys are gone, where are the Better Business Bureaus gonna find smarmy guys in suits?
GOOD
At least for the last year, the only thing that has tempered Donald’s worst impulses is markets.
So in a way, these kinds of movements and deals are essential to international security.
Xenpeng is the first car to actually copy what’s making tesla the best EVs.
Stay the fuck away from likes of BYD AND XIAOMI.
What did they do?
Why do you think Teslas are the best?
Xiaomi has a lot of issues with batteries and well… Handles. They’re prime reason for flush door handle ban. They’re also basically “overclocked” to reach spec sheet but are built schokingly poorly (people give Tesla crap for this, yet xiaomi gets a free pass?)
BYD is just behind. Tech is outdated, no remote Bluetooth 5.0 entry, no one pedal driving. Very aggressive safety measures which make the car more dangerous on the road. Not as efficient, I also found it to just lie to me on actual usage of its battery… It didn’t add up to what I used during my test drive and where the battery was for it to claim 3.9 kWH/mile
As to why tesla is the best? Nothing in UK currently compares to their cars from 2018. That’s just fact. No other car is as efficient and convenient. My 2021 model is still unbeatable when it comes to features. They have dropped the ball hard yet… Only until Xpeng did anyone start actually doing things Tesla drivers take for granted. I’m Scheduled for test drive and I will compare with my own two eyes as opposed to reading/watching biased reviews.
You can see comments and downvotes here alone, people here hate Tesla, that’s fine. I’m not buying another one from them either. But facts care not about feelings. They’re simply the gold standard we were told to… Ignore and not compare others to? Fuck that.
I could go on for what makes Tesla ahead, but I got a feeling you’re not asking in good faith.
Not really suspension is dog shit & everything is computer.
Most people aren’t Tesla drivers though, my car gets me from A to B when taking public transit would be a pain. Bought a Nissan, smoother ride, all the features I want and physical buttons for everything I touch while driving.
Have you considered that it’s because you didn’t actually explain what you like about your Tesla in either your original post or here.
Sure people hate Tesla but your comments don’t give any details on what is good about Tesla, of the 3 EVs i regularly drive/ride in, it’s by far the worst, and one of them is just a pickup truck they put batteries in, but it’s still more comfortable than a Tesla.
It really doesn’t matter why Tesla is superior. “All computer” is not some sort of sin when the “computer” is good. And here lies the duplicity of talking about tesla. Anything that’s worse is “dog shit” and everything that’s leading, is “all computer” and all computer is now bad? Your phone is all computer and has 3 buttons?
No one is ever going to make good faith arguments. Air con in EVs is a lot better than ice, that’s just facts. Good air con is set and forget. So is your wheel position. But you’ll see comments only pointing out how lack of buttons is so bad! Because shit air con requires constant adjustment? I have set my car at 21 degrees. It’s now at 91k miles, I have not touched it because it does what I told it to? Same with wheel position and mirrors, why would I need to adjust them?
I’m not sure what nissan you have that the suspension is that much superior, I have only driven their leaf, didn’t blow me away but I have no other point of reference for Nissan EVs… Is taycan suspension better than model 3? Absolutely. But as a package. Tesla app and “computer” offers features actually used by human owners.
People automatically jump at conclusion I’m shilling tesla. If I did, I would’ve bought highland or juniper. But I haven’t, they’re step down in certain ways, suspension is better (and can be fitted to older models) but other things are a down grade vs pre 2024 model.
But we cannot have an honest conversion because 1. Tesla is apparently the worst 2. Tesla will kill you, car literary sets itself ablaze the moment you enter it and 3. Internet just told us to ignore it.
I test drive cars for fun. I live in a very car dealership heaven, I have driven A LOT of EVs and I’ve yet to find an replacement for my 2021 model 3. As soon as one comes? I’ll buy it. Tesla is on downwards spiral. But I won’t ignore real world experience just because Musk is a Nazi and their cars are no longer an improvement over their existing models. The sooner we collectively accept that, the sooner European brands will get their shit together and the likes of VW group stop selling shit that looks identical to my old 2016 Skoda.
Always has been, I don’t want to be fumbling around in settings when I’m driving,
Cool story but do you have any friends or family that get in your car and want a different temperature, adjusting AC is a pretty common task for most people. If my dog is in my car i’ll lower it when he starts panting for example.
I mean your saying shit like Tesla is objectively better because it is all computer, when that isn’t what most drivers want.
If you just said you like your Tesla and you like everything being computer, that would be one thing, but you’re insisting that’s it’s better because of the features most people hate but you like and are willing to sacrifice what most people consider more important (suspension & ease of use) so that you get that feature, then claiming all other EVs are worse as if nobody else has used a Tesla and we’re all lying about not liking it.
If you can’t have a conversation with 1 person, that might be them, but if you can’t have an honest conversation with anyone, the problem is probably you.
You’re putting words in my mouth.
I didn’t say tesla is better because it’s all computer. There’s nothing but hostility coming from your comments, “cool story”, seriously dude? Back to 2009 are we?
I can have this conversation with people in real world, you mean to tell me Lemmy is good representation of public and public perception? If that’s the case. Tesla is already dead, we cured world hunger and trans people are no longer in danger, we did it Lemmy! This place is as much of a hive mind as is reddit or twitter. The same behavior just different opinion.
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Then hyundai…
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Hyundai is the example of Korean car I mentioned.
European cars are only now starting to do something. But it’s just the renau plus Dacia and it’s only budget lines for now.
You can get Dacia for £11k, which is great; bit not for me.
Well Xiaomi also builds phones shittily. But I’m still continuing to use my Redmi.
oh no, how will we survive.
Tesla is not the gold standard. Tesla engineers left en mass early, and some ended up at Lucid, others at Rivian. Both are far better.
Tesla driver interface is dangerous. They have a problem with motor reliability and the batteries are two generations behind CATL’s best. Their 400V architecture is outdated and don’t even start to list the stupidity of the Cybertruck design, and poor QC.
BYD has regenerative braking, they avoided one pedal for safety concerns.
Coincidently, Teslas have the worst crash rates of any manufacturer, last two years. Fool’s gold standard.
What features are important to you in a car?
Efficiency - 4 miles per kWh minimum. Obviously that’s for saloon / hatchback. Something like model y size 3.5 is acceptable. And this is something I want to verify myself, very few cars achieved this in my test drive.
Key less entry - I’m too used to it. I don’t want to go back to having to carry keys. I leave the house with just my phone and watch, both can pay for things and open things. They’re locked behind my biometrics so I deem it safe.
Sentry + dashcam - again, this is minimum in today’s day and age to me. The car should always be recording. I’m not getting 3d party camera in a car I already paid +40k for.
Fleet control - this is very country dependent. I can charge my car using wall plug and get super cheap rate or use a dummy charger which isn’t connected to my electricity supplier and the car will let them know how much electricity the car used and it’ll adjust on my bill. In quantifiable terms, this is a saving of 1/4th of charging cost or one of payment of £900 for installing compatible charger per location.
Boot space - I have family, space is needed. The easiest thing for cars to achieve really.
Software - be it accurate navigation, route planning or the touch and feel of it. Tesla Navigation is one I have most experience in. But I have serious confidence in it. I have arrived at home with 0% charge several times because the car said it could. It also got us through insane storm where it also accurately calculated the extra battery drain due to elevation and wind. Do other cars do it? Do they do it well? I know one thing, using Google / apple car play circumvent the in car navigation and charge networks so the built in map is actually important. One day hopefully they start supporting cars and then it’ll be non issue.
People hate on screen only, but I genuinely have never had problems with it. My wife also has no issues opening glove box, adjusting AC or changing songs or putting gps…
Driver safety - this is fairly high on the list of things which will male me hate the car. When you watch a car review. Pay attention to when they say “it’s super easy to turn off driver attention system!” THAT is a red flag. A car shouldn’t have such abysmal safety measures they’re annoying and you need to turn them off each drive because they self turn on. MG has the most annoying one and the dealer HAS LITERALLY TURN THEM OFF IN FRONT OF ME before letting me drive the car. I can’t express how bad some of these are.
Auto steer and cruise control - pretty much standard now days. I don’t need FSD, just simple keep this speed and don’t crash and on motorway, keep in the lane for me. Tesla autopilot is very good but others have come a long way over the 8 years.
Look - I want a sporty looking car and interior I want it to be leather like feel, no fabric, no tacky “recycled” look. I’m paying serious money and I want some comfort. It’s a low bar and pretty much any car I’ve test driven in the price range has been good enough comfort wise. I personally like minimalistic, but I’m not opposed to say the Taycan level.
This has been fun to type out. I hope it makes sense. There were many cars which almost made it. I’m waiting for Xpeng test drive which promises all these things. So we shall see. Our model 3 has 91k on it. It’s still a great car and if we need to spend another 3 years with it waiting for something new? That’s fine.
It’s hilarious that you think Tesla is a good brand.
How original. Where were you told to accept mediocre alternatives and PLEASE JUST DO NOT COMPARE OUR CARS TO THE BEST SELLING ONE.
Leave your emotions at the door and we might actually get some improvement and alternatives that aren’t made by fucking China. Right now used model 3 is the best EV anyone can buy. But hey, you go ahead and buy your Volvo or VW and make sure to thumbs up all the people telling you they’re the best!
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I don’t want to talk down your purchase since you clearly like it. But Mach e isn’t exactly a great representation of how to do EVs.
Their regen is really not right. It’s also really not a good battery system and suffers above average battery degradation. Not 100% sure what went wrong or if the car I drove with 10k was some sort of lemon… But I really did not like it. The screen, the windscreen being so tiny… I give them that, the car was comfortable to sit in but the suspension didn’t impress me, it really swayed a lot in our curvy roads.
I do the same 25 mile trip in every test car. It had worse efficiency than the taycan. Long term reviews seem to align with this experience. How do you find it? I think it has potential but came too early into the market and needs a face lift in order to compete. Hence you don’t see them on the road… I’m genuinely not sure what “performance” you speak of… Because it’s not speed, range or handling. Sure as fuck it ain’t good at charging!
I can’t help but notice that Tesla isn’t even on this list
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But he test drives all the cars near his house!
Tesla are garbage, software sucks, build quality sucks.
Very informative!
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American free market advocates when the market is free:
Nothing is more of a hoax than the concept of the “American Free Market.”
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Freedom of speech.
Freedom of information.
The hoax that we have the best anything.
I could go on. Americans are massively deluded into thinking they’re special and our country is amazing because they’ve never set foot outside of it. Even our internet feed is radically tuned towards isolationism. We are slightly above the “communist” countries that so many people in the US decry for building great firewalls or cutting their people off from the outside world.
Anyone who’s ever traveled and opened up their youtube account in another country’s airport even would know just how limited our vision of the world really is, and how much our news and speech is controlled.
When all you want to do is sell vastly more expensive but quality poor versions of last century’s product, you should be afraid. American automakers have had the government prop up their manufacturing for decades leaving the rest of the world open to create this century’s products.
Oh man…I am American but I yearn for the day when I can buy a pickup with a full bed the size of a Daewoo Lanos
second this.
that slate truck/suv is lookin good tho even with the bitty bed. jay leno’s garage youtube just did a video about it
Cross your fingers it aint just Tesla again
This might be the best thing to happen to Americans in a long time and it’s the result of shitty anti consumer US policy 😂 at long last I might be able to buy a Toyota helix
I’m an American… The US deserves this. Glad this is happening.
I think you mean this as deserved punishment and I agree, but maybe there’s also a silver lining: we deserve this, to break up the dead dinosaur cartel, to restart innovation, to free consumers from a prison of protectionism around overpriced legacy vehicles and help light the way to future technology
I would prefer the Toyota HiAce or Crown Comfort.
“It’s bad for consumers” is one of those phrases that’s been misused so often I’m amazed these cunts still try to use it with a straight face. It’s like “I’m not racist, but” in terms of phrases that are widely understood to mean their direct opposite.
They’ll stop using it when people stop falling for it.
I’m not sure anyone actually does fall for it per se; it’s one of those lies that literally everyone knows is a lie, but CEOs and corrupt politicians need it to be true in order to justify what they want to do next so they have to go through the process of saying it first.
You must have the pleasure of not knowing those people, then. A lot of people genuinely still believe in trickle-down economics and the like.
They are collectively known as “Fucking Stupid”
Would you like a buggy whip with your gas guzzler, Sir?
You can’t legally drive these cars in the US. They will be confiscated or turned around. I wish I could have a Chinese car… Also… It’s crazy to think if you bought an EV from China with the EV credit from last year you would have a car for 3k…
Wait, what? Seriously?
The CEO of Ford drives one every day…so probably not illegal.
They missed the EV push in the 90’ by GM, in the 2010’ by Tesla and now once again. They would never change without market pressure.
Let them in, but I will not buy a Chinese vehicle as long as the CCP are running their shit show.