The UK’s controversial Rwanda deportation plan, explained (www.vox.com)
from jeffw@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 05 May 2024 03:36
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njm1314@lemmy.world on 05 May 2024 03:43 next collapse

It is amazing exercise in two-faced dealing that these people can declare Rwanda safe at the exact same time they’re using Rwanda as a threat. It’s totally safe to go too also you better not come here or else we’ll send you there. It’s just fascinating.

hairyfeet@lemmy.ml on 05 May 2024 10:42 next collapse

We have “Visit Rwanda” advertised at premier league matches so guessing it’s pretty safe. Not saying the plan isn’t abhorrent or anything

ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world on 05 May 2024 11:10 collapse

They wouldn’t have to advertise it so much if it was known to be safe.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 05 May 2024 11:12 collapse

FWIW, the UK government claims crime is low in Rwanda.

www.gov.uk/…/safety-and-security

Ranvier@lemmy.world on 05 May 2024 13:14 collapse

Don’t be lgbt though:

LGBT+ travellers

Same-sex sexual activity is not illegal in Rwanda, but is frowned on by locals. LGBT+ travellers can experience discrimination and abuse, including from local authorities.

There are no specific anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBT+ individuals in Rwanda. Read more advice for LGBT+ travellers.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 05 May 2024 13:17 collapse

And guess why some of those asylum seekers are fleeing their homelands…

Superfool@lemmy.world on 05 May 2024 05:02 next collapse

I don’t know what the solution to the migration crisis is, but I think history will look back on the Rwanda plan very unfavourably.

While not wishing to conflate genuine refugees with people who are entering the UK illegally, I feel that the hazardous journey people are willing to endure to get here suggests a far worse reality they are leaving. Is it not inhumane to refuse them entry?

On the other hand, the UK does not have finite resources. Our public services have been whittled away for decades. The NHS is on life support, the Police and social services are hopelessly overwhelmed. Schooling is at breaking point.

Eorope has no incentive to do anything but just drum migrants though the Calais border, but they pretty much did that anyway before Brexit.

What is the viable and humane solution?

Lath@kbin.earth on 05 May 2024 06:08 next collapse

You're right or wrong depending on the country in Eorope.
Some countries offered migrants asylum, but the migrants left for UK anyway.
UK's fame is larger than life.

Skua@kbin.social on 05 May 2024 10:51 collapse

It makes a fair bit of sense for someome that already speaks English to want to claim asylum in an English-speaking country, and a lot of people already speak at least some English. They've got a far better chance of being able to make a life for themselves if they can already converse with everyone.

YungOnions@sh.itjust.works on 05 May 2024 08:12 collapse

Address the issue at the source. Find out why these people are willing to risk their lives to leave and try and fix that. At the very least you could create a safe encampment in their home country where they can go to live, receive aid, food, housing etc. Get the UN involved to protect it or something.

This is kinda the same issue as with arresting homeless people for sleeping rough - it addresses (poorly) the symptom, not the cause.

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YungOnions@sh.itjust.works on 05 May 2024 13:18 collapse

people migrate illegally from everywhere. you’re suggesting the UK should fix what exactly? every undeveloped nation everywhere?

I mean, not on its own, no, and only those nations from which it’s reciving the bulk of the immigrants. But long term that is the only viable option. As I understand it these are not people who are leaving their country because they particularly want to, they leave because things are so bad at home that literally risking their lives is better than staying. I imagine given the chance they’d prefer to stay at home, so at some point we need to help ensure that’s possible.

In the mean time a refugee camp of sorts would allow them to remain in their own country and provide suitable housing etc, meaning they wouldn’t have to leave in the first place.

vividspecter@lemm.ee on 05 May 2024 07:38 next collapse

LOL at the slogan of “Stop the Boats”. Literally copied from the Australian Liberal (conservative) party’s anti-asylum seeker scaremongering catchphrase. Conservatives really lack originality.

NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world on 05 May 2024 10:43 next collapse

There’s only so many 3-word slogans for “I’m a douchbag”

OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml on 06 May 2024 13:33 collapse

They actually hired an Australian to copy it for them. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Levido

frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world on 05 May 2024 09:55 collapse

How does Rwanda feel about it?

Sizzler@slrpnk.net on 05 May 2024 10:21 next collapse

“Dancing, throwing money around meme”

CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world on 05 May 2024 12:48 collapse

They’re being paid more than it would cost to house these refugees for life so pretty great I imagine (especially since they’'re not spending any of it on those refugees)