It’s true taking inflation into account would be useful. But when the increase was 5 to 7 times more in 4 years, inflation would not make a big difference.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 22:25
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It’s true taking inflation into account would be useful.
Not useful - the proper way to do it.
Gamechanger@slrpnk.net
on 10 Jun 10:27
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We did not have 500% inflation since 2022…
Edit: The total inflation rate from 2022 (Average) to Apr. 2026 is 13.79%
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jun 02:20
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They don’t ‘hide’ them, they literally have a big banner across the chart telling users that ‘this chart is without inflation, scroll over for one with inflation’.
At a guess (I don’t know) I would imagine that the reason for the charts without inflation is to show users the original prices that they saw when they were collecting their data.
It’s the equivalent to saying something like “The prices were €100 back then, which, when adjusted for inflation is around €128 today”.
I don’t know why you’re moaning here about it anyway, if it bothers you that much, why not contact the site admin or whoever compiled it and moan at them. Maybe you’ll find out the exact reason that they have done it like that too 🤷
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jun 15:10
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They don’t ‘hide’ them, they literally have a big banner across the chart telling users that ‘this chart is without inflation, scroll over for one with inflation’.
Sorry - what word would you use for “not visible” then? I didn’t say they weren’t available. They are… hidden.
I don’t know why you’re moaning here about it anyway
Because it calls into question the competence and motivation of the people who produced the charts.
Sorry - what word would you use for “not visible” then? I didn’t say they weren’t available. They are… hidden.
They are not hidden. They are the 2nd slide of 2 slides, and it is clearly written:
This is WITHOUT Inflation. Scroll to see WITH Inflation
If you can see the chart, you can see that text.
Because it calls into question the competence and motivation of the people who produced the charts.
But, again, if you want to call in their competence or motivation, why not contact them and moan to them instead of doing it here? It achieves nothing.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
on 10 Jun 11:37
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I appreciate the point you’re making. However, even at a glance you can quite easily see there’s a sudden jump well beyond inflation. On top of that, they also include a graph that does adjust for inflation. They look very similar. In fact, the only noteworthy difference is that the price (adjusted for inflation) has remained flat until this year, where it suddenly spiked.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 22:26
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However, even at a glance you can quite easily see there’s a sudden jump well beyond inflation
I know - I can see too. But you show historic prices graphs adjusted for inflation.
In any case, it won’t deflect attention from Trump’s crimes.
AMoralNihilist@feddit.uk
on 10 Jun 10:55
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I’ve seen a significant lack of discussion around boycotting it. It was a huge part of the discourse around Qatar, so I wish it was a bit more widespread and “normalised” for this one as well.
dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 15:56
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I have been hearing it a lot, but it is quieter and more serious. A lot more people are just doing it out of necessity or cost, too. No need to boycott something you can’t attend or aren’t allowed to attend.
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 Jun 20:14
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It’s not a virtue signal any more, no need to announce it.
I live in a host city and there is zero excitement.
No locals are mentioning it as a sporting event, it’s a hassle that’s going to fuck with transit and make everything cost twice as much.
It’s not about virtue signalling, it’s about a sense of coordination which enables people to feel it’s “worth it”.
Often people don’t do something that is an inconvenience if they feel like it doesn’t matter/make a difference. So a sense that it is a “thing” could help motivate others.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone
on 10 Jun 09:38
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Not just the cost. The corruption carries a stink. People dont want to travel to america as they worry they wont be welcome by the border control. Nobody wants to spend thousands to end up in detention.
I live in the US and within traveling distance. I can absolutely afford the tickets. I am a lifelong supporter of the sport.
Fuck FIFA. Fuck the US.
Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jun 11:10
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Same. I love football, live within reasonable distance of a stadium, and am at a stage of life where I could definitely attend some matches and see some of my favorite players.
My MLS club is sending out emails offering “discounted” tickets to the US v Paraguay team. It was hard to click the trash can icon while laughing so hard.
My extreme excitement for this WC turned into extreme desire for pure chaos and disaster. All the reasons I boycotted Russia and Qatar are being done by the US.
You mean like actual FIFA referee Omar Abdulkadir Artan who was barred from entering the US and had to fly home?
And these dingbats want people to drop thousands on travel, accommodation and tickets? Tickets to see the event where actual game officials are turned back at the border? Good luck 👍
GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 10:14
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The cheapest seat costs USD$1120, when most of the world is in a cost of living crisis.
jtrek@startrek.website
on 10 Jun 12:48
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That’s like several months of food. Or years worth of video games. That’s so expensive. Even if I was a big fan of the sport, I wouldn’t be able to justify spending that.
dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 15:47
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I’m a huge fan of the sport, living in the city where the game is held, with more than enough money to afford those tickets. I’m not even considering spending that.
CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.today
on 10 Jun 17:51
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For entertainment ticket price perspective, I paid less than $50 to see half of Led Zeppelin in concert (Jimmy Page & Robert Plant show) and it was fuckin’ awesome. But I’m not a sports fan so I wouldn’t pay even $50 to see a FIFA match.
It’s insane. Literally insane. I’m a normal world it would be a joke and they would be laughed out. There’s just so much fuckery going on in the background with deals and bribes. That’s all it’s good for now. Making certain people money. It’s always been a massive drain on resources
Amen, please get it out of Jersey, it was never going to be a boon, only a burden.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org
on 10 Jun 15:24
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No kidding. Route 3 is going to be madness. I feel a great swell of pity for the poor folks living in East Rutherford, Lyndhurst, Moonachie, and Secaucus.
Same. Used to be up there often for work pre-COVID, and now I just say no, it isn’t worth the money. I’m a central jerseyan and that’s all I need. And Jersey City, unfortunately.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org
on 10 Jun 18:07
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So you're in South Jersey but you're on the north end of it. Which is it - Pork Roll or Taylor Ham?
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 19:02
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In the Roman days, the phrase meant superficial appeasement of the masses by the politicians. It was a tactic to prevent the uprising of the lower class. My point is that these days, the ruling class isn’t bothering to give the populace any appeasement. No give, only take. The small artists and performers are fantastic, but they are organized at the small, local level by the very class of people that are being repressed, and so do not fit in the ‘bread and circuses’ quote.
Some year/decades ago Prague was the best place to experience fantastic jazz for cheap money. Probably still is to some degree.
This was because they had a lot of people enrolling in universities (music conservatories) due to poverty.
They even have a one of a kind conservatory for blind musicians.
The entire countryside was a dead end, so anyone with a remote talent for doing the hand whistle would move from the villages all over the Czech Republic to take the chance in Prague.
Education gave them a low but steady income and a chance of getting into an orchestra.
Much like Hollywood, right? Except these people got paid to do it, so it obviously attracted many to do so.
However, orchestras and universities only need so many players and teachers, so once they were educated they ended up playing on the streets or in small dive in bars if they were lucky.
Mind, these were the state-of-art and most talented people at that in the world. Competition was fierce. Only the best could survive on that.
As an ignorant tourist not knowing the reasons, this was heaven. The street artists were more talented than the professional orchestras at home.
I myself had a dream of becoming a performing musician at the time but I gave up that dream after seeing a guitarist at a jazz club in Prague play the most magnificent solo while attempting to keep the band aid shut on his finger to avoid the blood dripping over the stage from playing ten gigs before on the same day.
Soon, if things continue the way they are, we will find the best computer programmers on the streets, making code for nickels while wearing casts to keep their mouse stain injuries from stopping them.
Anyway. Romans didn’t do that, but gladiators, musicians and coders are still just people trying to make living.
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jun 20:22
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No, we still have that. It’s just that the circus is a carefully formulated mix of emotional content being pushed to your pocket tracker and the bread is high fructose corn syrup.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club
on 10 Jun 17:42
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Yeah, it is going to get awkward for FIFA playing in half filled stadiums.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 22:29
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FIFA and scalpers can go screw themselves.
Meanwhile, resale platforms such as StubHub and SeatGeek — and FIFA’s own marketplace — also show thousands of tickets on sale.
Even President Trump said he wouldn’t pay those prices. “I would certainly like to be there, but I wouldn’t pay it either, to be honest with you,” Trump told the New York Post in a recent interview.
And on this:
“The hope or bet — for FIFA is that once the matches start — and the greatest players in the world compete for the most prestigious prize of them all, the sport as business lens will fade into the background and the World Cup will be seen and experienced as the enduring global institution that it is,” Shields says. “We shall see.”
No way. You can’t separate the two anymore. The pretense of “that income mostly benefitting the sport” is kinda laughable now.
mgrecca2026@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jun 10:25
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Not tryna dox myself but I was able to get a ticket to the Argentina vs Iceland warm up match held 2 days ago in Auburn because Auburn University sold the tickets directly for $78, and they still didn’t sell out the stadium, so you could buy tickets for as low as $40 from resellers.
And they played Messi too so its not like it was some B squad match, they all actually showed up.
If Auburn couldn’t sell out the stadium for such a game, there’s no way FIFA is filling any of the world cup matches except for maybe semis and finals.
If FIFA loses a billion or so on this, I’ll still be largely indifferent, but slightly pleased. It’s hard for me to give a shit about massive sports organizations like FIFA or the Olympic Games. They’re evil and corrupt and irrelevant to what matters in my life.
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Took the word right out of my mouth
How much are world cup tickets since 1994
Showing graphs not adjusted for inflation by default is disingenuous.
It’s true taking inflation into account would be useful. But when the increase was 5 to 7 times more in 4 years, inflation would not make a big difference.
Not useful - the proper way to do it.
We did not have 500% inflation since 2022…
Edit: The total inflation rate from 2022 (Average) to Apr. 2026 is 13.79%
Neat. Doesn’t refute what I said.
it does show the inflated graphs.
But it doesn’t really matter, it is obvious that the prices now are insane compared to:
2014 Brazil ticket prices ranged from €69 and the cheapest tickets for the final were priced at around €288
2018 Russia prices ranged from€79, while the most expensive final ticket in Moscow cost around €950
2022 Qatar ranged from€450 up to €1,000 or more.
Qatar was just scummy. The US following their lead is the same.
Yes it does. There’s literally no reason to not just show the adjusted for inflation graphs.
They do show them. But the point is the crazy difference is noticed because it’s so high, even without knowing the inflation rate.
But as mentioned. The charts with inflation are there.
They hide them as secondary images. There is literally no reason to show unadjusted numbers for this.
Now who’s being disingenuous…
They don’t ‘hide’ them, they literally have a big banner across the chart telling users that ‘this chart is without inflation, scroll over for one with inflation’.
At a guess (I don’t know) I would imagine that the reason for the charts without inflation is to show users the original prices that they saw when they were collecting their data. It’s the equivalent to saying something like “The prices were €100 back then, which, when adjusted for inflation is around €128 today”.
I don’t know why you’re moaning here about it anyway, if it bothers you that much, why not contact the site admin or whoever compiled it and moan at them. Maybe you’ll find out the exact reason that they have done it like that too 🤷
Sorry - what word would you use for “not visible” then? I didn’t say they weren’t available. They are… hidden.
Because it calls into question the competence and motivation of the people who produced the charts.
They are not hidden. They are the 2nd slide of 2 slides, and it is clearly written:
If you can see the chart, you can see that text.
But, again, if you want to call in their competence or motivation, why not contact them and moan to them instead of doing it here? It achieves nothing.
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I appreciate the point you’re making. However, even at a glance you can quite easily see there’s a sudden jump well beyond inflation. On top of that, they also include a graph that does adjust for inflation. They look very similar. In fact, the only noteworthy difference is that the price (adjusted for inflation) has remained flat until this year, where it suddenly spiked.
I know - I can see too. But you show historic prices graphs adjusted for inflation.
It says scroll but it means next image in the carosel.
Personally, I’m boycotting the World Cup, so…
Me too, but I usually don’t watch football anyway so it’s not exactly different from standard operating procedure
In any case, it won’t deflect attention from Trump’s crimes.
I’ve seen a significant lack of discussion around boycotting it. It was a huge part of the discourse around Qatar, so I wish it was a bit more widespread and “normalised” for this one as well.
I have been hearing it a lot, but it is quieter and more serious. A lot more people are just doing it out of necessity or cost, too. No need to boycott something you can’t attend or aren’t allowed to attend.
It’s not a virtue signal any more, no need to announce it.
I live in a host city and there is zero excitement.
No locals are mentioning it as a sporting event, it’s a hassle that’s going to fuck with transit and make everything cost twice as much.
It’s not about virtue signalling, it’s about a sense of coordination which enables people to feel it’s “worth it”.
Often people don’t do something that is an inconvenience if they feel like it doesn’t matter/make a difference. So a sense that it is a “thing” could help motivate others.
Same. My apathy of football is suddenly a virtue.
Not just the cost. The corruption carries a stink. People dont want to travel to america as they worry they wont be welcome by the border control. Nobody wants to spend thousands to end up in detention.
I live in the US and within traveling distance. I can absolutely afford the tickets. I am a lifelong supporter of the sport.
Fuck FIFA. Fuck the US.
Same. I love football, live within reasonable distance of a stadium, and am at a stage of life where I could definitely attend some matches and see some of my favorite players.
Not even going to watch on TV.
My MLS club is sending out emails offering “discounted” tickets to the US v Paraguay team. It was hard to click the trash can icon while laughing so hard.
My extreme excitement for this WC turned into extreme desire for pure chaos and disaster. All the reasons I boycotted Russia and Qatar are being done by the US.
You mean like actual FIFA referee Omar Abdulkadir Artan who was barred from entering the US and had to fly home?
And these dingbats want people to drop thousands on travel, accommodation and tickets? Tickets to see the event where actual game officials are turned back at the border? Good luck 👍
He’s going to red matches in Vancouver.
I heard! Love Canada
Not only turned back, he was interrogated for 11 straight hours before they did.
He was invited to referee in Vancouver, at that’s great
I’m not buying
The cheapest seat costs USD$1120, when most of the world is in a cost of living crisis.
That’s like several months of food. Or years worth of video games. That’s so expensive. Even if I was a big fan of the sport, I wouldn’t be able to justify spending that.
I’m a huge fan of the sport, living in the city where the game is held, with more than enough money to afford those tickets. I’m not even considering spending that.
Maybe even 128GB of RAM.
For entertainment ticket price perspective, I paid less than $50 to see half of Led Zeppelin in concert (Jimmy Page & Robert Plant show) and it was fuckin’ awesome. But I’m not a sports fan so I wouldn’t pay even $50 to see a FIFA match.
It’s insane. Literally insane. I’m a normal world it would be a joke and they would be laughed out. There’s just so much fuckery going on in the background with deals and bribes. That’s all it’s good for now. Making certain people money. It’s always been a massive drain on resources
Pretty soon the only ones watching anything will be the Space Billionaires. /s
Sarcasm? No you were being straight-up
Hurrah! Let's keep pushing those numbers down for all games in the USA. Maybe even reschedule the final away from the Meadowlands.
Amen, please get it out of Jersey, it was never going to be a boon, only a burden.
No kidding. Route 3 is going to be madness. I feel a great swell of pity for the poor folks living in East Rutherford, Lyndhurst, Moonachie, and Secaucus.
I feel that pity for them regardless of these WC games.
Same. Used to be up there often for work pre-COVID, and now I just say no, it isn’t worth the money. I’m a central jerseyan and that’s all I need. And Jersey City, unfortunately.
So you're in South Jersey but you're on the north end of it. Which is it - Pork Roll or Taylor Ham?
Whoa whoa, let’s not start a brawl
Ha, oddly enough I’m partial to neither because I don’t think it’s that great a meat. I’ll go sausage or bacon with my egg and cheese first.
And if anything, I would be southern North Jersey, I’m a stone’s throw from 78, don’t lump me in with those Southies.
It isn’t like Arlington, TX is going to be that much better.
I avoid the metroplex like the plague already.
soooooo the lower class is getting priced out of both the bread AND the circuses?
No more bread and circuses, now it’s… crud and brises.
The circus is the Iran war
This is an insanely poignant analogy. At least the Romans had their collosium before they fell. We ain’t even got that.
But you still have the White House UFC fight. Just subscribe to paramount plus and you can watch people fight for your entertainment!
Even the worst emperors made sure the circuses were accessible.
No. Plenty of free and cheap things to do that small artists and performers do. The World Cup is corrupt garbage. Turn it off.
Although you are correct, you miss my point.
In the Roman days, the phrase meant superficial appeasement of the masses by the politicians. It was a tactic to prevent the uprising of the lower class. My point is that these days, the ruling class isn’t bothering to give the populace any appeasement. No give, only take. The small artists and performers are fantastic, but they are organized at the small, local level by the very class of people that are being repressed, and so do not fit in the ‘bread and circuses’ quote.
Some year/decades ago Prague was the best place to experience fantastic jazz for cheap money. Probably still is to some degree.
This was because they had a lot of people enrolling in universities (music conservatories) due to poverty. They even have a one of a kind conservatory for blind musicians.
The entire countryside was a dead end, so anyone with a remote talent for doing the hand whistle would move from the villages all over the Czech Republic to take the chance in Prague. Education gave them a low but steady income and a chance of getting into an orchestra. Much like Hollywood, right? Except these people got paid to do it, so it obviously attracted many to do so.
However, orchestras and universities only need so many players and teachers, so once they were educated they ended up playing on the streets or in small dive in bars if they were lucky.
Mind, these were the state-of-art and most talented people at that in the world. Competition was fierce. Only the best could survive on that.
As an ignorant tourist not knowing the reasons, this was heaven. The street artists were more talented than the professional orchestras at home.
I myself had a dream of becoming a performing musician at the time but I gave up that dream after seeing a guitarist at a jazz club in Prague play the most magnificent solo while attempting to keep the band aid shut on his finger to avoid the blood dripping over the stage from playing ten gigs before on the same day.
Soon, if things continue the way they are, we will find the best computer programmers on the streets, making code for nickels while wearing casts to keep their mouse stain injuries from stopping them.
Anyway. Romans didn’t do that, but gladiators, musicians and coders are still just people trying to make living.
No, we still have that. It’s just that the circus is a carefully formulated mix of emotional content being pushed to your pocket tracker and the bread is high fructose corn syrup.
Yeah, it is going to get awkward for FIFA playing in half filled stadiums.
FIFA and scalpers can go screw themselves.
And on this:
No way. You can’t separate the two anymore. The pretense of “that income mostly benefitting the sport” is kinda laughable now.
I support the ethical boycott of the World Cup
I’m not watching one minute of it. I’ll just support my local uslw club as usual.
A single ticket sold is already one ticket too much.
Maybe they should hand out a few more peace prizes.
Surely not as bad as Qatar. FIFA dgaf
Why would you overpay just so you could be thrown in a concentration camp by the orange pig’s personal goonsquad.
Not tryna dox myself but I was able to get a ticket to the Argentina vs Iceland warm up match held 2 days ago in Auburn because Auburn University sold the tickets directly for $78, and they still didn’t sell out the stadium, so you could buy tickets for as low as $40 from resellers.
And they played Messi too so its not like it was some B squad match, they all actually showed up.
If Auburn couldn’t sell out the stadium for such a game, there’s no way FIFA is filling any of the world cup matches except for maybe semis and finals.
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Yeah Jordan Hare is more full than that when an fcs team comes to town…
I’m not sure you can really compare those two games.
It’s a litrle like the world series versus spring training.
Even if the second one coats 10% of the first, there’s way more demand for the first.
I mean I’m underselling with “spring training”, but still. Are those 2 events really comparable?
I’d rather watch the A-league
If FIFA loses a billion or so on this, I’ll still be largely indifferent, but slightly pleased. It’s hard for me to give a shit about massive sports organizations like FIFA or the Olympic Games. They’re evil and corrupt and irrelevant to what matters in my life.