Israeli soldiers torture one-year-old Gaza child to force confessions from his father (www.aa.com.tr)
from MuskyMelon@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 02:41
https://lemmy.world/post/44615407

The morality of torturing children cause they’re not from the chosen people.

#world

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BigMacHole@thelemmy.club on 23 Mar 2026 03:00 next collapse

This headline is ANTI SEMETIC! Let me FIX it For YOU! “Palestinian Father TORTURES his Child by Not Talking!” NOW it’s NOT Anti Semetic!

-Governments who Wonder why People are Attacking Synagogues!

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peacefulpixel@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 04:06 next collapse

anyone attacking synagogues is doing so of their own volition and are ACTUALLY motivated by ACTUAL antisemitism. Israel ≠ Jews as a whole

MuskyMelon@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 04:36 next collapse

Exactly, there’s a difference between Jews and Israelis. Attacking synagogues is wrong but AIPAC offices, we can have a conversation about those.

fartographer@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 17:10 collapse

For example, I’m Jewish, but I say “fuck Israel.” Except for my one Israeli cousin who keeps getting arrested for disobeying orders. He and his squad are cool.

DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com on 24 Mar 2026 00:10 collapse

What about that Jew who spray painted a swastika onto a synagogue? Or when that Jew yelled out “Kill all Jews” and got a pro Palestine protest shut down, and like 100 of its people arrested. I’m conflicted on how to feel about things like that.

Greddan@feddit.org on 23 Mar 2026 04:59 next collapse

It’s a racist cult sure but burning synagogues is counter productive. Better to lobby for a ban to the abuse these lunatics put their children through.

doesit@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 05:12 next collapse

Israel and its acolytes “don’t help” by keeping repeating it’s their biblical right. This results in a unilateral meaning and use of the term “anti-Semitism”.

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doesit@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 06:01 collapse

Who stated so?

Tmiwi@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 06:04 collapse

they do.

"The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.’

read a book, it might help you understand

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 06:15 next collapse

“Who does…?”

“They do…”

There’s always some vague “they”, isn’t there? Yes, it is promotes by some Muslims. It’s not all, or probably even most, and definitely far from it in western nations.

The same way I can say the same about Jews, because the Bible promotes killing in order to take land from people they decide aren’t as deserving, this is bullshit reasoning. You can’t just group all the followers of a religion into one belief. Hell, even the people in the same church, synagogue, mosque, or whatever house will have differences in opinion. Your logic promotes spreading hate targeting the wrong people.

Talk to some people with different opinions sometime. It might help you understand.

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toad@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 07:21 next collapse

“all arabs want to kill jews”

You’re not an ex muslim idiot.

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Cethin@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 07:34 collapse

My bad, I thought your comment was the one responding to me. Not the one above. Sorry.

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toad@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 07:37 collapse

You’re grand

Tmiwi@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 19:10 collapse

btw I’m not Arab but good try. thanks for wishing my family dead I guess.

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Cethin@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 07:48 collapse

the they wasn’t vague… I never said it was all…if you need specifics…

Ok, it wasn’t vague, but you meant all, but you never said it was all, and you can give specifics. Oh, but I should have known the specifics from context, even though you meant Muslims in general, but you also give just some specifics which doesn’t include all of them. Sure, I know how to have a conversation. I also know what you’re doing, which isn’t a conversation. You want to just call other people evil.

btw I’m ex Muslim so I’m well aware of the hatred I was raised in and surrounded by and don’t need you minimising my lived experience just because it doesn’t fit in with your world view. antisemitism is deeply rooted in islam, it’s a fact.

Cool story. I also lived with an atheist former Muslim. It isn’t minimizing your experience to say that your experience has colored your outlook on life. I think religion in general is a tool for forming in-groups and out-groups, and that’s the issue. It isn’t Islam, nor Judaism, nor Christianity, nor any other. They all want to kill anyone else, because they know the truth. Islam isn’t special.

Religion is a tool of the elite to control people. Hate the right thing. It isn’t the religious who are the problem, rather it’s the elites wherever they can grab power. If you know your history, Christians went around murdering everyone in the middle east for a good chunk of time (and we still are), because their Truth is more truthy than Muslim’s Truth, or whatever. Really, it was just a way for the elite to steal land. The Muslim leaders in power do the same thing. They use their religion to tell people to fight for them (yet they never do any of the fighting). The Jews do as well. The Torah, which they all stem from, has several stories promoting “righteous” genocide against other groups, which Israel is using to this day to say that the land belongs to them. You just need a leader in power willing to push those messages.

Tmiwi@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 19:04 collapse

don’t tell me what I meant please.

also tbh your comment goes all over that place so I’m not sure what the trust of it is? religion is shit and everyone is at fault? yeah I broadly agree

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 19:08 collapse

OK, so I’m both supposed to know what you mean without asking, and I’m supposed to not tell you what I’m interpreting it as. Interesting. You get mad when I ask you and you get mad when I say what I got from it. It doesn’t sound at all like you’re trying to be racist without being explicit. Lol.

Tmiwi@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 19:12 collapse

no one is mad. except maybe the people who are writing rambling essays because of a comment from a stranger. I hope you enjoyed wasting your time.

doesit@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 06:21 collapse

I mean in contemporary times. Not like hindreds or thousands of years ago.
i’m not saying nobody says so. But who justifies war, genocide and land acquisition with biblical/islamic/judaic/… arguments. In this day and age.

Tmiwi@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 06:27 collapse

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Americans. the list is endless.

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 06:10 next collapse

I know one synagogue that was attacked was very explicitly zionist, promoting the killing of Palestinians. I doubt it’s every one, but you can’t really be that mad when you’re promoting murdering people for people to want to murder you. This isn’t exactly justification, but it is an example of reaping what you sow, which the Torah does warn about.

yeather@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 08:12 collapse

It’s quite literally 85-90% of jews though. If nine out of ten people want a genocide it should leave little room for debate. They are also using Synagogues to sell stolen land and hold donor parties and campaign parties, using the religious institution as a shield from seeing criticism.

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 25 Mar 2026 01:44 collapse

You’re the second person to say some crazy number like that, without any supporting evidence. I don’t think you’re right. In the US, it’s only 1/3 of jews. Whatever the number is, it’s way too high, but it isn’t that high.

yeather@lemmy.ca on 25 Mar 2026 12:09 collapse

ajc.org/…/ajc-survey-shows-american-jews-are-deep…

fdd.org/…/the-vast-majority-of-us-jews-support-is…

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 25 Mar 2026 18:39 collapse

Not exactly unbiased sources. Also, the first one doesn’t quite say the same thing. It says the US should support Israel. The second source is exicitlt from a group who’s goal is to say that jews are all aligned on the idea of supporting Zionism. I don’t trust that one at all. You don’t get an unbiased poll from a group that is explicitly trying to show everyone agrees. They don’t align with the responses from the poll I cited either.

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rozodru@piefed.world on 23 Mar 2026 10:51 next collapse

I’m sorry but at this point, I don’t care anymore.

You can call me anti-semetic all you want that term has very little meaning to me now and that’s purely because of the bullshit that Israel is doing to a people that simply can’t defend themselves. The fact that Israel is committing the SAME bullshit that was committed to them nearly 100 years ago because they feel it’s “their turn” is absolute pure evil.

I can’t stand it. I grew up Catholic but I hate Christianity because of all the bullshit that group has done in the name of God. I can hate the Jews for the same reason. If you’re Jewish and you condemn what your people are doing then great, I respect you for it. Just like I can respect Christians that speak out against the bullshit they’ve done. But Jewish “settlers” burning homes and attacking people because they feel they’re owed the land? torturing infants and toddlers? Call me an anti-semite. I don’t care.

brachiosaurus@mander.xyz on 23 Mar 2026 12:18 next collapse

Calling out judaism the religion as bullshit is totally fine, when people talk about anti-semitism i believe they have in mind racial positions against jewish people

backalleycoyote@lemmy.today on 23 Mar 2026 13:04 next collapse

Once a Catholic always a Catholic. Walking away doesn’t absolve your guilt in participating in belief system that has been one of the most violent forces in history. Why’d you even participate in the first place? Aside of proclaiming your disdain for the institution anonymously online, what are you doing in real life to stop the spread and influence of your religion? Are you targeting Catholics in your community? Destroyed any houses of worship or places where they gather. How do I even know you’re a non-practicing Catholic, maybe you look like one…

This is what the stupidity of antisemitism looks like. It ignores any subtleties or nuance in the life of an individual and heaps the blame for the actions of some on all, regardless of whether that someone even endorses it or has the capacity to prevent it. Think Joe Jew in Nebraska has any power to stop the Israeli government even if he finds their goals abhorrent? He’s as powerless to stop them as you are.

You’re upset that some in Israel are harming those who can’t defend themselves, including children. Hate crimes don’t require the victim to actually be whatever the perpetrator thinks they are. You endorse blanket antisemitism and you’ll end up with neo-Nazis shooting up places Jews (or people they think are Jews) are located and unprotected, probably get some kids while they’re at it. Turning your rage against anyone that reminds you of who you’re actually upset with is just redirecting your anger to the most convenient target.

matlag@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 15:13 collapse

In US universities, a lot of the student protesters against the genocide in Gaza were jews, they were called anti-semitic terrorists anyway. We’ve seen the same thing in France, where jews students protested but were still called anti-semitic, pro-Hamas, etc.

Going with the confusion is very exactly what Netanyahu and his accomplices want: people mad about what Israel is doing taking on jews, so that Israel supporters can label them all anti-semitic and immediately discard whatever they will say.

MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 18:58 collapse

Exactly. It’s a cornerstone of Israeli Jewish supremacist nationalism to try to conflate Jewish culture and Israel in the minds of the world.

dubyakay@lemmy.ca on 23 Mar 2026 21:58 collapse

Temple Israel

The congregation was founded in 1941 in Detroit,[5] just 60 days before the United States entered World War II, by members who broke away from another congregation since it was insufficiently supportive of Zionism and the creation of a Jewish state.

I’m sure that guy knew what target he has chosen very well. It wasn’t at random.

yeather@lemmy.ca on 25 Mar 2026 12:12 collapse

I’m still shocked the guy didn’t have an Al-Qaeda flag hanging from his rear window and a hoodie with Qur’an quotes like other false flags.

sik0fewl@piefed.ca on 23 Mar 2026 04:54 next collapse

NOW it’s NOT Anti Semetic!

It’s Semitic 😎.

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone on 23 Mar 2026 03:30 collapse

shawn1122@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 04:56 next collapse

It’s just splendid that world gets to watch a genocidal colonial settler project akin to what European colonial powers were up to two hundred years ago all because Britain promised land to a group of people one hundred years ago. For an empire that loved beuraucracy how were they such absolute shit at drawing borders? I mean we know they believed in a global race based caste system (they believed white people were born superior) and were antisemitic enough to be excited at the prospect of Jewish people leaving their country but how do you fuck up the world this bad? Major skill issue in my opinion.

Tmiwi@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 05:51 next collapse

there’s a lot wrong with this comment. Israel was created as the league of nations pressured Britain Into creating a home for the Jewish populations displaced after the wars. other counties weren’t happy to take that population and the Jews themselves wanted to return to what they saw as they’re homeland. after WW1 Britain pledged support for their right to a nation and offered to help set that up but it wasn’t until 1947 when the united nations voted for their partition plan that it was decided to decide the land up into separate Arab and Jewish states. the Jews agreed, the arabs didn’t, and when in 1948 Israel declared independence (a joke I know considering their need for American support has never wanted) they and the Arab states were immediately in opposition and have been ever since. blame Britain and white people lol you want but actually they were wonky ever trying to help a people displaced by terrible persecution and who were unwanted by the rest of the world. it seems they still are, so maybe they have a point about that persecution…

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 06:21 next collapse

Your history isn’t exactly right. While it is the popular reasoning, the plan is older than the war itself, so the logic doesn’t really make sense. It also started before the war ended, so the timing doesn’t line up either. They also started colonizing before the League of Nations decides on that plan, which forced their hand.

It’s all a whole lot murkier, messy, and bad than the version you gave.

Tmiwi@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 06:26 collapse

the years of these events are historical facts, not sure what debate there is. nothing happens in a vacuum though and one thing leads to another etc. perhaps you’d like to show me sources for how I’m wrong? Jews have been in that area for 5000 years since the Canaanites, is that the colonising you are refering to? as I’m not sure that buzzword applies here

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 07:24 collapse

They are historic fact, as in they’re older than what you said. Here’s a Wikipedia page that has more information. Check out “Background”. Notice the date of the letter talking about “the zionist project” is 1902. Even in 1896 he talking about them colonizing Palestine. That’s well before the war. This plan was being set up, and enacted, far before what you said.

Jews have been in that area for 5000 years since the Canaanites

Dude, the people that ended up calling themselves jews and the other people from the region come from the same people. Judaism comes from religions in the area. No one was there before anyone else, because they’re the same people. Canaanites is just a made up term that the jews used to refer to everyone else, so they could tell stories about how they were better, but they’re all literally the same people. Jews didn’t magically appear as a distinct group. Israelites of the time literally are Canaanites.

Anyway, those are not the people moving there. They’re European Jews mostly. Sure, they share some genes with those early people, but far less than the people who literally still lived there. If you want to argue they have some cultural claim somehow, then what they hell do you even measure? They’re all coming from literally the same group of people and the same culture. If your claim is that the term “Jew” is older than the term “Muslim” then I guess you can make that argument, but it’d be a really dumb one.

Muslims are literally from the same group. They follow the same god and have the same holy book (with some new ones). El (hence Elohim, which interestingly is plural) is also the god they both come from, which is where the name Israel comes from, being the land of the people who follow El. They all follow (what was formerly known as) El, although it’s been mixed with other local gods too. Notably neither Jews nor Muslims follow what could be reasonably identified as El, so neither of them have any nominal claim to Israel. Maybe there are still some small local groups who do, in which case Israel, by name, is theirs.

Tmiwi@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 19:09 collapse

again, you’re rambling. is your point that everyone is one people? because im not sure anyone would agree with that. how you can claim that two religions whose inceptions are thousands of years apart are the same just because the same god was coopted for the later religions, or ignore the differing cultures etc. but whatever, you do you.

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 20:46 collapse

Ah, yes. Giving historical context is rambling.

is your point that everyone is one people?

No? You said Jews have some kind of claim over the land. If they do, the native people have an even stronger one. Everyone isn’t one people. The people in the region are from one group (which we often call the Canaanites), which the Jews of the period are also a part of. None of them have any special claim to the land. Just because someone’s super special book tells them that they are chosen by the super cool guy in the sky doesn’t actually give them any legitimate claim. If you want to discuss it with people who don’t believe in fairy tales, you need something stronger. Since they’re the same group of people they all have equal historic claim.

how you can claim that two religions whose inceptions are thousands of years apart…

OK, you apparently don’t know anything about Islam or Christianity. That’s fine. They aren’t incepted thousands of years apart. They’re the same continuity. The prophets in the Jewish faith are also in the Christian faith, plus some extras. The prophets in the Christian faith are also in the Muslim faith, plus some extras. They’re from the same inception. Jews just don’t believe all the stuff of the other faiths past a certain point.

For example, if you stop following Marvel movies after Iron Man 2 or something, but someone else follows ones that came after, it doesn’t mean their understanding was incepted later. They just kept adding stuff. They’re all Marvel movies. They don’t become not Marvel movies because you stopped watching.

… or ignore the differing cultures…

That’s exactly my point. The Jewish culture has diverged from the one they had when living in that region, as has the people who still live their. How do the Jewish people have a stronger claim despite their culture diverging when they didn’t even live there anymore? If it’s a claim by culture, the people who still live there have a stronger claim.

… but whatever, you do you.

You don’t get to just spread lies and propoganda, then say “whatever” when it’s pointed out you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Try to educate yourself. Maybe you can not make the same mistake again, instead of just saying “whatever” as if you weren’t wrong. Growth is a virtue, not a vice. You need to be able to admit mistake in order to grow.

toad@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 07:19 next collapse

Ah yes jews are the victims

NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net on 23 Mar 2026 07:59 collapse

“Funny” you should bring up 1948 specifically.

What specific event happened in that year?

Ah, yes. “Israel declared independence” … right. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Tmiwi@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 19:03 collapse

“Initially on the defensive, the Zionist forces switched to the offensive in April 1948.[20][21] In anticipation of an invasion by Arab armies,[22] they enacted Plan Dalet, an operation aimed at securing territory for the establishment of a Jewish state.[23]

The second phase of the war began on 14 May 1948, with the declaration of the establishment of the State of Israel and the termination of the British Mandate at midnight. The following morning, the surrounding Arab armies invaded Palestine, beginning the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. The Egyptians advanced in the south-east while the Jordanian Arab Legion and Iraqi forces captured the central highlands. Syria and Lebanon fought against the Israeli forces in the north. The newly formed Israel Defense Forces managed to halt the Arab forces and in the following months began pushing them back and capturing territory.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_War

but I guess that’s Israel’s fault too right?

NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net on 24 Mar 2026 06:05 next collapse

“The 1948 Palestine war[b] (30 November 1947 – 10 March 1949) was fought in the territory of what had been, at the start of the war, British-ruled Mandatory Palestine.[16] It began as a civil war between the Arab and Jewish communities following the United Nations Partition Plan and became an international conflict with the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel,[c] the termination of the British mandate, and the entry of the armies of neighbouring Arab states into Palestine. During the war, Zionist forces[d] conquered about 78% of the former territory of the mandate causing the expulsion and flight of over 700,000 Palestinians.”

No, that one’s on the british for deciding to divvy up land that wasn’t theirs.

“Although the Jewish Agency accepted the partition plan, it did not accept the proposed borders as final and Israel’s declaration of independence avoided the mention of any boundaries. A state in part of Palestine was seen as a stage towards a larger state when opportunity allowed. Although the borders were ‘bad from a military and political point of view,’ Ben Gurion urged fellow Jews to accept the UN Partition Plan, pointing out that arrangements are never final, ‘not with regard to the regime, not with regard to borders, and not with regard to international agreements’. The idea of partition being a temporary expedient dated back to the Peel Partition proposal of 1937. When the Zionist Congress had rejected partition on the grounds that the Jews had an inalienable right to settle anywhere in Palestine, Ben Gurion had argued in favour of acceptance, 'I see in the realisation of this plan practically the decisive stage in the beginning of full redemption and the most wonderful lever for the gradual conquest of all of Palestine.”

I take issue with the MEANS by which the state of israel invaded, and the fact the state agreed with the original plan with the undeniable intent to further invade.

And with Israel’s continued actions after the UN agreed to give israel more than half of Palestinian land

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread

Tmiwi@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 12:20 collapse

I think you make a great point about the means Israel uses.

I think they have a right to defend themselves when attacked but it does seem that every time they step so far past the acceptable that the results are truly horrific, the current genocide is evil incarnate.

I didn’t know about the peel partition proposal, thank you for enlightening me. every time I read the words of Ben gurion I’m slightly astounded, such duplicity, and that is has so much support is mind boggling to me.

just shows that the peace process has always been a cover for their plans, I mean he states it plainly. wild that they have always had so much support from the west , I’ve never understood western Christians support tbh.

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Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk on 23 Mar 2026 06:14 next collapse

Blaming Israel’s current shittiness on some lines we drew in the sand 70 odd years ago is a bit weak mate.

We aren’t telling them to torture kids or bomb civilians, they’re doing that all on their own.

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 06:24 next collapse

To be fair, they were doing it when those lines were drawn (in a different location, because they expanded their territory through war) too. The lines just gave them legitimacy. They started colonizing before the lines were made, and we’re in conflict fighting the locals then. It obviously wasn’t the scale it is today, but the whole project is propagated through conflict.

shawn1122@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 13:01 collapse

You’re right though legitimacy is everything when it comes to how we preceive who lives where. One has to wonder how legitimacy slowly becomes tacit approval for genocide though.

fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net on 23 Mar 2026 06:37 next collapse

America is not only not telling them no, we’re selling them the weapons to do it with

Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk on 23 Mar 2026 07:17 collapse

I agree, except we are talking about the UK

brachiosaurus@mander.xyz on 23 Mar 2026 12:24 next collapse

they’re doing that all on their own.

no, they are doing it with our governments help.

shawn1122@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 12:49 next collapse

If we zoom out and look at the bigger picture, Israel would not exist as it does today without Britain’s steadfast backing.

The empire’s successor (America) has provided similarly unwavering support.

Throughout most of my lifetime I have watched Western countries (mostly vassals of the US) turn a blind eye to genocide in Gaza.

More recently the double standards have become most apparent with the war in Ukraine. Western nations took the diplomatic approach of wagging their finger at nations maintaining relations with Russia while asking “have you thought what this will do to your credibility?”

All while giving their full throated support to Israel for most of the past 50 years and before that. Any thought to how that affects your credibility?

These are the double standards that slowly rot away the foundations of civilization.

Imperialism bad if it’s being done to me, ok if we are doing it to someone else. Surely we can be more sophisticated than that.

“Some lines” - what a dismissive way to put it. A British child rapist (Louis Mountbatten, great uncle of present day child rapist former prince Andrew) haphazardly drew a border in South Asia which led to the largest forced migration in human history and two million deaths. The idea that lines don’t mean anything speaks to an abysmal state of history education. There are libraries of work commenting on how the lines drawn by colonial powers in Africa, the Middle East and South Asia contribute to ongoing conflicts in these regions.

Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 13:44 collapse

Britain and their drawing of lines in the sand is absolutely responsible for plenty of the shittiness we see around us in the world today. Total coward power move by Britain to try and weasel out of all of the trouble their colonialism has caused.

Without the Balfour declaration we would not have had the Zionist colonial settling of mandatory Palestine. The local Arabs fought for their freedom from the Ottoman empire during WW2 and were double crossed by the British who wanted the land for themselves and a little bit for the French for some reason. The British know more than anyone how the process of colonialism works being the best in the world at it. They were also aware how viciously settler colonials tend to treat the native people when settling a new land, they just didn’t care because they had their own greedy motivations.

Britain had a huge part to play in stoking tensions between the local Palestinian communities and the newly arrived settler Jews using their time honoured “divide and conquer” strategy.

Britain and their colonial fuckery is a huge part of the Israel story.

Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk on 23 Mar 2026 14:48 collapse

I don’t dispute any of that

But I will repeat, we aren’t making them commit war crimes.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 10:56 collapse

If you’re American this is some hilarious projection, btw America is funding all of this

shawn1122@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 13:05 collapse

Oh America is as if not more accountable.

I decided to focus on where this started. It’s well known that America is the successor of the British empire. There was a massive transfer of wealth or colonial loot that occurred when the Nazis absolutely decimated Britain, as the Brits spent essentially all of their savings on weapons purchases from America.

America acquired two thirds of the worlds gold through world war II which allowed it to subsequently establish the Breton Woods system, kicking off its past 75 years of empire.

answersplease77@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 05:23 next collapse

these monsters worship the devil

xcancel.com/i/status/2035653705106657545

they inserted metal rod through the infant leg:

reddit.com/…/karim_one_of_the_child_victims_of_to…

yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 06:29 next collapse

Why did I have to read this

answersplease77@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 07:45 collapse

zionists engage in ritual child rape and sacrifice: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Tahor

there was one recently who tried to blow the whistle and was unalived shortly afterward:

www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-856407

www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-718741

cbsnews.com/…/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide…

I’m not anti-semitic. This is not about the jewish religon. These specific people in power in the Israel’s government actually practice such satanic evil idology

NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net on 23 Mar 2026 07:56 next collapse

The original creator of the 40 beheaded babies propaganda lie also tried to hang himself after being caught raping kids

yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 07:59 next collapse

I did not ask for more disturbing stuff but thanks I guess

AmidFuror@fedia.io on 23 Mar 2026 08:28 next collapse

You're not against the Jewish people. Just the Elders of Zion and their need to consume Christian baby blood. Good to know.

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maturelemontree@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 10:26 collapse

OK then call it whatever you like. Israel isn’t Jews and Zionists, they are something new and horrible. I say we call them Vogs and Grobblists. It doesn’t change that they torture babies literally, murder innocents, and are committing genocide.

ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 17:51 next collapse

There’s something worse than Epstein happening here. And if elite well-connected teenage boys are being ritualistically taught to be inhuman child rapists, there are whole sections of society that need excising to curb the rot. It explains a lot.

‘Bottom of darkness’: Children raped in ritual ceremonies expose the horrors

This title though 🙈

Danquebec@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 20:41 next collapse

Zionists

A fringe cult of a few hundred people.

Please.

And this shit gets upvoted here? This is shameful.

stringere@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 23:18 next collapse

satanic evil idology

Please leave that 80s satanic panic bullshit in the past where it belongs.

I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.

V
Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.

VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

philanthropicoctopus@thelemmy.club on 24 Mar 2026 00:28 collapse

You don’t need to preface it with “I’m not antisemitic”, no one cares. It’s the least important part of this whole thing

MuskyMelon@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 10:24 next collapse

Fuck those holes in BOTH calfs of the baby.

Keep bombing them Iran.

philanthropicoctopus@thelemmy.club on 24 Mar 2026 01:02 collapse

Listening to him cry is devastating. They are absolutely scum and sub human Nazis

MrSulu@lemmy.ml on 23 Mar 2026 06:29 next collapse

According to an Israeli insider,… “The father was overcome with releif to finally be able to tell the authorities the truth. Everybody cheered

Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 07:02 next collapse

Be wary. This news source, Anadolu Agency, is based in Turkey and is known for right wing bias and disinformation. My first question here is, who else is reporting this story? And is publication of this story limited to right wing press?

mediabiasfactcheck.com/anadolu-agency/

toad@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 07:17 next collapse

Media BiaS FacT CheCk is a guy with a marketing degree in his basement

tuto193@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 08:26 collapse

GroundNews also rates Anadolu Ajansi as a “Mixed Factuality” news source. Will check, if I can find more sources to this one.

No search on Ground News seems to provide anything on this article. It’s not (yet?) listed on it.

toad@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 09:02 collapse

Ground News uses Media Fact Base Bullshit that’s, again, a guy in his basement without any political science qualification. It only survive on sponsoring youtubers.

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Mar 2026 09:15 collapse

Using the guy in a basement who thinks the New York Times is leftwing as an authoritative source for the bias of news sources isn’t the trump card you think it id.

A coin flip would be less biased than an American-based media “trust” checker op which reliably tags everything shotrt of Fascism as leftwing.

hayvan@piefed.world on 23 Mar 2026 10:04 collapse

As a Turkish person, I can confirm current state of AA is pretty much voice of the government. On internal matters they are more often than not the opposite of truth. On international matters they are a somewhat reliable mixed bag.

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Mar 2026 10:30 collapse

Well, you see, I trust the view of a Turkish person (whilst this being the Internet were everybody can “be” whatever they want, I’m chosing to trust you on being what you say you are).

What I don’t trust is an American “press trust classifier” set-up by some random person, with obscure connections and which already has a long track record of profound political bias.

Being the one which decides which Press can be “trusted” and which cannot is a perfect place for a Propaganda op (if you think the Press is a great place for Propaganda, imagine how great a “Worldwide Press trust authority” is) to shape opinion in this era of open access to information in the Internet and which specifically targets newspapers when Social Media is by far the biggest playground for modern Propaganda, and this coming from a country with one of the least trusted Press environment in the World and which is known for regularly all kind of interestes doing this kind of shit (not just the apparatus of the state setting up “opinion shaping ops” but also ultra-rich setting up “think tanks” to push “studies” endorsing policies that favor them), just adds to the suspicion that this isn’t just some pure soul who is trully worried about the evils of misinformation on the Internet.

That this specific forum - were people often get “moderated” as “anti-semites” for criticizing Israel - in this specific Lemmy server - were when I was a member of it and after heavilly criticizing Israel due to its actions in Palestine, I got an e-mail in the address I had used to register as a user of that server and which only server administrators could get from a group in Israel inviting me to a “learn about Israel” online conference - has endorsed this, further adds to my mistrust of this “worldwide press trust authority”.

The relentless push for this “press trust authority” here has a deep stink of “opinion shaping”.

finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 07:25 next collapse

‘The most moral army’ my arse.

ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 13:00 collapse

It was only ever terrorist propaganda

RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 09:49 next collapse

sickening

Bazell@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 09:59 next collapse

Iran fights not just with aggressors, it fights with monsters.

MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 02:41 collapse

This is a somewhat ambiguous statement, I don’t recall anyone saying they’re using Pokemon.

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Mar 2026 10:16 next collapse

Ladies and Gentlemen, the “most moral army in the World” fully showing their “Western values”.

Cooltag@lemmy.org on 23 Mar 2026 10:40 next collapse

When I think about it, in my country they are welcomed with open arms…

MuskyMelon@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 11:43 next collapse

Be guard your back if those arms are open

Cooltag@lemmy.org on 23 Mar 2026 23:06 collapse

I’m talking about the leaders of my country (I live in France)

sakuraba@lemmy.ml on 23 Mar 2026 19:25 collapse

Israel is already looting Argentina and I think they will do the same to Chile.

Cooltag@lemmy.org on 23 Mar 2026 23:09 collapse

Now he’s attacking Lebanon; they want to create the so-called “Greater Israel”.

Didntdoit71@feddit.online on 23 Mar 2026 11:05 next collapse

This is pure evil. The Jewish god is a monster…fortunately he does not exist. Believe what you want, but for me, this is proof that atheism is the correct choice…because this evil is committed in the name of the Jewish god…who is also the Christian and Muslim god…If you’re Muslim, then the Zionists are telling you that your god sanctions this against you - because they knew him first (invented him, actually). If you’re Christian, then the Zionists are telling you that your god wants this, so shut up and let it be…or he won’t send his son back to free you from your Earthly burdens. I believed in god for over 50 years of my life. This sick shit finally proved to me that god is a lie, because if god was real and as loving as I was taught, then he would be livid at these acts. I guess Christians can soothe their conscience with “what you do to the least of these…”

I find that god cannot exist while simultaneously allowing atrocities to be enacted in his name. If you disagree, that’s fine…but for me, even if god once existed…humankind killed him with their ingrained wickedness.

MuskyMelon@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 11:44 next collapse

This is also because of the thousands of tribes that were told they were the chosen ones, this is the one that survived until today.

SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml on 23 Mar 2026 13:03 next collapse

Jewish god is a monster…fortunately he does not exist. Believe what you want, but for me, this is proof that atheism is the correct choice…because this evil is committed in the name of the Jewish god…who is also the Christian and Muslim god

Ok, but before you get too high on that horse, it’s worth pointing out that plenty of the most violent Zionists have themselves been atheist, secular Jews.

Most of Zionism’s progenitors were basing their ideology around fascistic race science of the time. Not on any God-Belief. They believed that European Jews, by virtue of being a diaspora, were a degraded culture that could only be regenerated through colonizing a new homeland for themselves.

To this day, Israel treats non-European Jews incredibly poorly (still not as bad as Palestinians though), regardless of how culturally or religiously dedicated they are, because Zionism is an ideology of ethnic supremacy more than anything else.

bilb@lemmy.ml on 23 Mar 2026 16:20 collapse

Ok, but before you get too high on that horse, it’s worth pointing out that plenty of the most violent Zionists have themselves been atheist, secular Jews.

I think most American Zionists are nominally Christians. Which makes the whole business of equating Zionism with Judaism even more laughable.

foggianism@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 13:15 next collapse

Atheism isn’t ever really someone’s choice. People who are atheist simply replace the “role” that god would have in their life with something else, be it devoutness to science, music, arts, their job, their favorite politician, whatever. Atheism is an absence of a god contruct in the world view of a person. The choice of an atheist is whatever else motivates them in life.

Mulligrubs@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 20:02 collapse

Your claim is incorrect!

God doesn’t fill any “role”, friend. Thousands of years of history around the globe prove that you are fundamentally wrong.

HugeNerd@lemmy.ca on 23 Mar 2026 23:58 collapse

History isn’t proof of any god. Rather, of a human need. Gods were invented all over human history. Some have lots of arms, some are blue.

Mulligrubs@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 13:02 collapse

I like the elephant one, Ganesh.

He comes in a variety of colors. His origin story is he was a perfect baby and dad got jelly so he killed him. Mom was really mad, so dad went and got an elephant head and put it on the dead baby body and that turned into a super elephant-man baby.

Perfectly reasonable.

explodicle@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 13:16 next collapse

If one chooses the fantasy, then everything else is secondary, even morality grounded in physical reality. If you can be convinced there’s an invisible spirit who wants you to stone people, then you can be convinced it’s OK to torture babies.

As the Christians say - no one can serve two masters. This can’t be fixed without addressing the disease.

FlyingCircus@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 13:19 next collapse

Israel is not committing genocide because they are Jewish, they are doing it because they are an arm of the western capitalist oligarchy and maintaining imperialist power in the Middle East is essential for controlling the global trade in oil.

Jankatarch@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 14:59 next collapse

The whole “all brown people are religious extremists” was a propoganda is what makes me mad.

We were always told Palestinians are all fighting in the name of God. Turns out they were just defending themselves from Israel.

terabyterex@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 15:57 next collapse

none of this is done for religous readons. so don’t be retarded

Mulligrubs@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 20:00 collapse

How would you ever know?

All of the religions involved are totally fine with this, they’ve been doing this and much worse for many centuries.

ikidd@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 16:44 next collapse

This response is exactly what the fanatics point at when you criticize Israel and they conflate that with antisemitism.

Mulligrubs@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 19:59 collapse

The God of the Bible/Tanakh would be totally fine with this. Hell, for fifty bucks He will let you do all of this AND then marry the kid. Or kill it, whatever really.

brachiosaurus@mander.xyz on 23 Mar 2026 11:46 next collapse

Every politician in the west not calling this out is evil and a liar.

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca on 23 Mar 2026 12:50 collapse

They will have to do better than one fake article with an AI generated image.

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/1df258e9-0912-4cf5-af9a-ddb1cd3ab43d.jpeg">

merdaverse@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 13:06 next collapse

The image is from an older attack (Oct 2025, after the “ceasefire”) and is likely not AI:

The images of this story are these ones. There was also a video interview of the mother somewhere.

But yes, the article from www.aa.com.tr is shit

Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 16:10 collapse

Both are Turkish sources. I’m reminded of when the daughter of the US Ambassador to Kuwait perjured herself before congress claiming to be a nurse and having witnessed Iraqi solders rip babies out of hospital ventilators as justification for the first Gulf War.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

This story is rage bait.

AmidFuror@fedia.io on 23 Mar 2026 19:32 collapse

I remember that story, but you've reversed the attribution. It was the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US.

Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 19:45 collapse

That’s correct. The cited source makes your point too. My error.

KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Mar 2026 14:57 next collapse

“Everything I don’t like is AI”

The real problem with AI isn’t that you can make up fake things. It’s that real things can be hand waved as fake.

CXORA@aussie.zone on 24 Mar 2026 01:24 collapse

There’s more than one problem with AI

0x0@infosec.pub on 23 Mar 2026 15:41 next collapse

Who are “they”?

Are “they” here with you right now?

terabyterex@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 15:56 next collapse

turkey, who wrote the article

Mulligrubs@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 19:53 collapse

“They” is a pronoun, pronouns always refer to the last subject.

In this case, “they” would refer to whomever wrote the article and provided the images

Now you know! …and knowing is half the battle

palordrolap@fedia.io on 23 Mar 2026 13:21 next collapse

Those who dehumanise are the true subhumans.

frongt@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 14:54 collapse

Ironic

palordrolap@fedia.io on 23 Mar 2026 15:04 collapse

Look up the paradox of intolerance. This is an instance of it.

frongt@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 17:41 collapse

You can be intolerant without dehumanizing.

palordrolap@fedia.io on 23 Mar 2026 18:07 collapse

Are you suggesting that people who torture children aren't subhuman scum?

frongt@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 18:36 next collapse

That is, unfortunately, all too human. To deny it is to fall into the same trap.

starman2112@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 19:08 next collapse

They are human. This kind of thinking is incredibly dangerous. “I’m a good person, and a good person wouldn’t do bad things, so nothing I do is bad” is exactly the kind of thinking that makes these IDF scumbags okay with murdering children

palordrolap@fedia.io on 23 Mar 2026 20:50 collapse

So what you're saying is that I'm falling victim to a No True Scotsman fallacy.

I guess I'll have to go away and think about that.

MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 02:37 collapse

It’s completely human behavior traditionally

ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 13:24 next collapse

In some ways we should be treating the state of Israel as a serial killer. Obviously we and any courts are better knowing about this. But should we be concerned that publication changes behaviour?

In some ways “hopefully” they are brazen and psychologically disturbed enough that it doesn’t. Because this baby could’ve quite easily just disappeared, if they thought this coming out would make them look worse. I’m sure it’s happened.

kamayatu24@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 13:25 next collapse

Damn it… They’re even worse than Hitler’s methods. 

belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Mar 2026 14:48 collapse

Mengele surgically attached children to each other to recreate “Siamese twins”. He removed the eyes of a twin and implanted them into their sibling. He injected Typhoid bacteria into small children and opened their skulls without anesthesia.

The IOF is a gaggle of genocidal maniacs. They torture, maim and kill. They are not worse than Nazi Germany. Little of what humans have done on this earth is worse than Nazi Germany.

rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 15:27 next collapse

Little of what humans have done on this earth is worse than Nazi Germany.

Maybe you should have a look into the Japanese “operations” in occupied China, then.

Jumi@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 17:17 next collapse

This is no competition and you don’t need to make it one

Goferking0@ttrpg.network on 24 Mar 2026 01:07 collapse

It’s not but the one they’re replying too is trying to make it one to downplay how terrible Isreal is behaving

Jumi@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 04:12 collapse

No, that’s just plain wrong

belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Mar 2026 17:34 next collapse

Unit 831 and the KZ Experiments are on the same level.

trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf on 23 Mar 2026 17:38 collapse

Correct, though splitting hairs… Japan and Germany were both part of the axis.

HasturInYellow@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 16:05 next collapse

I’m not convinced we won’t hear about similar done in Israel. If they had any scientific incentive to do so, I have little doubt they would be willing to.

Agent641@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 01:16 collapse

Dude was obsessed with twins.

He also once delivered a baby and lobbed it from the birthing bed into an incinerator, still alive, with the mother in the room.

postmateDumbass@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 16:12 next collapse

Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.

Israel has been way over the line for a while.

If we allow them, Team Trump, and the rest of the greed first lobby to continue, i can only hope for total and complete nuclear destruction.

eletes@sh.itjust.works on 23 Mar 2026 16:29 next collapse

There needs to be a better way to enforce geneva conventions and UN resolutions for countries at the top. Otherwise they’ll only bring them up when it’s convenient for them.

ReHomed@lemmy.cafe on 23 Mar 2026 16:30 next collapse

We can only hope for nuclear destruction, it’s one of the few things that ANYONE can do to pay for the crimes of Israel

amorangi@lemmy.nz on 23 Mar 2026 18:43 next collapse

Israel and USA have led by example and demonstrated what the world needs to do - targeted assassinations.

Avicenna@programming.dev on 23 Mar 2026 18:47 next collapse

Unfortunately the strongest lobbies seem to decide what is doable, not humanity at large

TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 19:24 next collapse

Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.

I think it already decided and the decision was that this is fine.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 20:17 next collapse

Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.

Historically, the bar has been set extraordinarily low. But that’s largely based on the question of informed consent. Articles like this aren’t going to show up on FOX or ABC or CBS, so long as the people perpetrating the crimes are Israeli. By contrast, if an Iranian or Russian or Chinese or <insert scary country here> police force engaged in such an act, it would be held up as an excuse for carpet bombing their power plants and assassinating their university professors.

If we allow them

We aren’t in a position to allow or disallow without a large scale mobilization of labor. Even then, a lot of what you’re talking about begins with boring bureaucratic shit like petitions and marches. The violence doesn’t just go away because some pollster can show a broad public disgust (for - again - events the major Western media isn’t interested in covering).

Without assess to mass media, the public remains broadly uninformed and disinterested. Without a mobilized labor movement, there is no organizational support for individual dissent.

Even when such things do exist (Italian and Spanish citizens have been at the forefront of the BDS movement), there are countervailing forces among the plutocracy that obstruct material change.

The belief that you can unilaterally or rapidly affect sweeping international policy changes - that you are some Great Man of History - who has volunteered to be apathetic is going to drive you insane, if you let it.

Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works on 24 Mar 2026 00:53 next collapse

I mean we’ve been allowing this shit to happen all over the world, and worse – it’s just not in the news because news about israel gets more clicks

MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 02:35 next collapse

The fact that people aren’t talking about sudan and Myanmar where worse happens is telling, but this has better video coverage.

KeenFlame@feddit.nu on 24 Mar 2026 07:02 collapse

It was always class war

BanaramaClamcrotch@lemmy.zip on 23 Mar 2026 16:52 next collapse

Why would Hamas do this…?!? /s

vga@sopuli.xyz on 23 Mar 2026 17:46 next collapse

Is it really so that Israel hasn’t actually done enough horrible stuff in Gaza, that you have to make up blatant lies? I find this a bit hard to believe.

MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 18:00 next collapse

Why is it hard to believe?

FatherPeanut@pawb.social on 23 Mar 2026 20:01 next collapse

The narrative that’s pervasive in America, albeit it seems to be slipping, is that Israel has historically been painted as a positive ally to America. I experienced this myself not a week ago with a friend of mine who’s just now starting to think critically of the world around them. He was shocked and didn’t believe me at first when I mentioned the atrocities of Israel, and it took quite a lot of scrolling for him to eventually see they weren’t the golden boys that news has so far painted them as.

Whether you believe it’s AIPAC’s doing, or the defense contractors, or whatever source it may be, televised news outlets even now still seem hesitant to portray Israel in an overtly negative light.

To sum it up more directly: If you go from “these are our friends” to “those friends are genocidal,” the population may have a hard time believing it, as it goes against that which they’ve heard all their life.

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vga@sopuli.xyz on 24 Mar 2026 07:15 collapse

I guess because this place and many others I visit keep pushing a certain narrative on everyone, and some of that seeps through even to a functioning brain like mine.

sakuraba@lemmy.ml on 23 Mar 2026 19:20 collapse

I don’t find hard to believe, they literally prosecuted a lawyer for exposing evidence of soldiers raping a Palestinian prisoner. Right after dropping charges on them.

If anything abuse and rape is the norm for Israeli authorities.

MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 02:42 next collapse

That’s also the case with every military, there aren’t mass arrests and prison for soldiers post war.

vga@sopuli.xyz on 24 Mar 2026 07:17 collapse

You don’t find it hard to believe that Israel hasn’t done horrible stuff in Gaza?

Avicenna@programming.dev on 23 Mar 2026 18:48 next collapse

soulless fucks

answersplease77@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 19:47 next collapse

I mentioned in my comment from the start and before making any edit that this cannot belong to the jewish religon. Same thing happened with ISIS who adopted a false supremacist murderous and evil idology of Islam. They enslaved Yazidi women and slaughtered kids and men whom they viewed as not from the chosen people.
How the fuck was ISIS bad but Zionism is supported by Europe and the US and Western values? ISIS never represented Islam the same way Zionism does not represt Judaism. ISIS mirrors Zionism to the tee btw. They were colonizing lands that was promised to them by god, slaughtering and raping people for their promised Khalifite who will lead their people to rule the world. They also needed a country for them to escape “the prosecution” they experienced everywhere in the world to practice their idology. Does ISIS have the right to exist??

So lets not pretend these monsters dont exist regardless of what they claim their belief is; We judge them by their actions. The Episten files showed him and Donald Trump impregnating and aborting a mentally disabled kid numerous times. Also showed him mocking a girl who was asking Jesus for help because he absolutely does not believe in any god. Also showed his 1500 galons of acid tank that is connected to the swerage system beneath. There is an ongoing investigation regarding missing bodies in his NM ranch. There is hard undeniable evidence that this monsterous elite Epestien class exist and they do everything above the laws without shred of humanity.

daannii@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 23:24 next collapse

Isn’t there a decent amount of evidence that ISIS is in fact, the IDF. ?

False flag operation.

Hupf@feddit.org on 24 Mar 2026 00:16 next collapse
MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 02:33 collapse

There is not.

daannii@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 04:01 collapse

Weird how ISIS only targets other Muslims.

Even though it’s legit against the Muslim religion to kill other Muslims.

BlasphemousTiefling@lemmy.ml on 24 Mar 2026 09:15 next collapse

Even though it’s legit against the Muslim religion to kill other Muslims.

Not really. Islam has a lot of denominations and interpretations of the quran. ISIS justify killing of other muslims as that these muslims are “kuffar” because they have not actively implemented the teachings of Allah and are silent and complicit in not implementing sharia law.

Some denominations would say that those muslim people are ignorant and so there’s no blame to be put on them. ISIS’s sees that ignorance is not an execuse because in their opinion it is every muslim’s duty to learn their religion, and that if they did, they’d see that they must implement sharia law.

daannii@lemmy.world on 25 Mar 2026 03:26 collapse

They have very strict laws about murder and violence in their holy book.

Taleya@aussie.zone on 24 Mar 2026 20:08 collapse

Paris and Brussels would like a word.

BlasphemousTiefling@lemmy.ml on 24 Mar 2026 03:01 next collapse

As an ex-muslim. I’d like to correct you that everything that ISIS did is mentioned in Quran and is actually a valid interpretation. In fact, a lot of it is mentioned directly by hadith and verses in the quran. Hence why you will never hear any religious institution calling them “kuffar” or people who have strayed and adopted a false supremacist view. They just really can’t do that because everything ISIS did can, and is justified by the quran and hadith.

However, that is NOT to be taken in an islamaphobic way. The majority of the muslim population have no idea about this, as was I when I was still muslim. Simply because we don’t get taught in schools about it. Islam is a cancer, it has the potential to be used to justify horrible atrocities because the quran and hadith contain so much shit like this. Just like any religion really, but it also happens to be overrun by extremists who spread their extremist views.

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toad@sh.itjust.works on 24 Mar 2026 09:21 next collapse

Isis was armed and paid by Israel. Religions are theaters of the class war, not ennemies in themselves

BlasphemousTiefling@lemmy.ml on 24 Mar 2026 12:08 collapse

Religions are tools to control the masses and yes the rich use them for this purpose. Thus it should eventually be dismantled if possible, or restrained at least. Because when religious institutions have too much power and influence we can agree that nothing good happens out of it.

just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Mar 2026 09:49 next collapse

So quran says, in order to be a muslim, you have to kill other muslims?

BlasphemousTiefling@lemmy.ml on 24 Mar 2026 12:17 collapse

Dude, how can you get this conclusion from what I said? Or is this a strawman or what?

As I said, the definition of “muslim” differs by interpretation because like any other religion, people interpret the text differently. Shia muslims say that they are right. Sunnis think they are right, and within each there is more and more denominations that think they are right and none but them. There is so much infighting between them it makes leftist-infighting look like child’s play.

So yes. One of the interpretations, adopted by ISIS, says that these muslims are considered kuffar (people who have rejected god), because they did not seek to learn about their religion and establish the rules that Allah commanded. Even if they were ignorant about their religion, it doesnt matter, they should have learned as it’s their duty as muslims. Thus, it is okay to kill them (Cuz yes, the quran is okay with killing and enslaving non-muslims, in fact it explicitly encourages it.) So this is how they justify killing them.

Obviously this is the niche explanation of ISIS. Not mainstream islamic interpretations.

just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Mar 2026 13:29 collapse

You said everything ISIS did is mentioned in quran and is valid interpretation of it. Yes?

Quran defines muslims as people who believe in oness of Allah and Prophet Muhammad as the final messenger of Allah.

Quran is very explicit about this terminology. The part of the quran revealed in Madinah (first islamic state), tackles this question of people who say they are muslim but do not act like it. They are called munafiqs (not kuffar), in fact this is the biggest topic of madni quran.

So when you say that actions of ISIS are from quran, that is categorically wrong.

That’s my whole point. Which is very very apparent if a non-muslim were to read it without an anti-muslim agenda.

I don’t even wanna go into your other false claims cuz the internet is literally filled of their refutations if anyone want to look into that those topics.

BlasphemousTiefling@lemmy.ml on 24 Mar 2026 14:30 collapse

You said everything ISIS did is mentioned in quran and is valid interpretation of it. Yes?

Everything ISIS did is a valid interpretation of quran and hadith. Sunni muslims use two sources to make rulings, one is the qur’an and the second is hadith. Because the atrocities are countless, let’s talk about two things they did often:

  1. Ensalevement of women: The quran explicitly mentions this as Malakat Al-Yamin, it talks about it in regards to islamic laws of marriage and who men are allowed to have sex with, saying that men are allowed to sleep with their wives and those whom they own (Aw Ma Malakat Aymanokom).

Slavery, as you see, is permitted in islam and is mentioned countless times in the quran itself. You can look up the verse I mentioned.

Not only that, it is also supported by hadith in multiple Sahih hadith (which is the highest degree of trust in a hadith being correct and traced back to the time of Muhammed by muslim scholars).

The first hadith talks about his wife Safiyyah Bint Huyayy. She was enslaved during the battle of Khaybar, taken at first by Dihyah Al-Kalby. Muhammed then heard about her beauty and status and decided to take her for himself. I would also like to mention by the way, that she lost her husband and father that day, killed in the battle. She was then taken by Muhammed as a slave, and he slept with her on their way back that night. Not even 24 hours after the death of her father and her husband.

So yes. Muhammed himself partook in slavery.

Another one was about Aayisha and how she set one of her slaves free, then told Muhammed about it. His own response was “Had you given her to one of your uncles would have been of higher reward to you from Allah.” I don’t remember the hadith verbatim, but it’s along those lines. Again, I encourage you to look this up.

  1. Mass killings:

Verse 4 from Surat Muhammed justifies this by telling those who believe in god that: “if they ever meet anyone who is a non-believer they should hit their necks [with their swords] until they kill a large number of them, then take the rest as prisoners of war, until the war ends, and if god wanted he’d win this war…etc (Look up the verse).”

As for the difference between Makkah quran and the quran of Madina, you will find a great shift of tone from the “peaceful co-existence” tone in Makkah quran, to talking about Munaffiqeen and fighting kuffar in Madina Quran. The difference is crazy that the verses contradict one another. Especially verses in surat Al-Tawbah. Scholars solve this problem of contradictions by saying that the latter surahs and verses (and even hadiths in some cases!) essentially override the early verses (Something called Naskh).

So yes.The actions of ISIS can be justified from the Quran and Hadith. I am also willing to argue that this was the way of life of Muhammed and his Sahabah 1400 years ago. A life of war, genocide, and enslavement, as is supported by countless Hadiths and verses from the quran, of which I only told you very few lol.

Now, again I would like to stress. The fact that they do this against other muslims as well by saying they are kaffir, is as I said, not the mainstream view. In fact, most muslim sheikhs and scholars throughout history took the idea of calling a mulsim kafir as taboo. Because they believed only Allah was allowed to say that about someone. The reason is that by saying someone is kaffir you are essentially saying they are going to hell. Thus, making a ruling that only Allah is allowed to make.

So only minority groups of muslims like ISIS do such thing, while even large institutions like Al-Azhar in Egypt and other muslim institutions refrain from using that language against ISIS.

ywain@lemmy.zip on 24 Mar 2026 16:28 next collapse

Pretty sure that’s this is religion as a whole, even buddihist texts/guidance somehow call for violence.

answersplease77@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 21:04 collapse

No one cares too much about what their book says. We dont care if someone said they follow the Satanic Temple; however we judge them on what they actually do. Zionism is a genocidal settler-colonial cult idology, and its followers inflect evil inhumanity and injustice and pain violating every humanright and crime in international laws, and any interpretation of humans moral norms…

yeather@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 08:17 next collapse

No, this is the Jewish religion. They believe you do not have a divine soul, you are inherently lesser, you will be a slave to them when their messiah returns, and if you read about any of their heinous beliefs in the Talmud you should be killed. This is the consequence of allowing a religous ethnostate to control the most controversial region of the world.

rapchee@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 08:43 collapse

it is as much jewish as trump is christian

yeather@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 15:40 collapse

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Hey speaking of. Have you ever wonder why he wouldn’t shave his sideburns and slicks them back, or why many staffers came out in 2019 and said he converted to Judaism with his daughter.

Taleya@aussie.zone on 24 Mar 2026 20:06 next collapse

He’s not doing this shit because he’s Jewish you elder protocol schmuck. It’s because Israel is a convenient attack dog for the US in the middle east. And probably because Mossad has heinous shit on him.

yeather@lemmy.ca on 25 Mar 2026 12:19 collapse

At this point it could be both. Trump fucked his soul up so much he converted to a religion that doesn’t have hell and he is being blackmailed to unconditionally support jews.

answersplease77@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 20:56 collapse

Israelis get unlimited privilages from Zionism even if they were atheists and dont believe shit on the inside; They get to basically kill people and steal their free homes without accountability under Israel’s aparthied judiciary, they get richer from land theft, and occupation, and survaliance control, and aparthied enslavement of Palestinians, and wars on neighboring countriea, and when they spend $250 millions bribing US congress, they get $15 billions back.

yeather@lemmy.ca on 25 Mar 2026 12:01 collapse

It’s an ethnic religion. Even the atheist jews are included in end time prophecy where jews will rule the world with all of us as slaves. Of course they benefit from genocide and expansion of a jewish state and bribing, lobbying, or blackmailing politicians in the world’s strongest country to support them.

toad@sh.itjust.works on 24 Mar 2026 09:20 collapse

Isis was paid by Israel and armed by the US

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 20:06 next collapse

John Yoo rides again

Cassel: If the President deems that he’s got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?

Yoo: No treaty.

Cassel: Also no law by Congress. That is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.

Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.

reksas@sopuli.xyz on 23 Mar 2026 22:02 next collapse

Israel becoming a country was a mistake, if this is the price of it.

MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 02:32 next collapse

It’s harder to separate Israel from its long term hard right conservative government, it’s like if Bush was president for the last 30 years.

yeather@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 08:19 collapse

Israel was founded by terror organizations operating in the British Mandate of Palestine. It has been this way for 70 years. This is the consequence of allowing a religious ethnostate to control the most controversial region of the world.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 24 Mar 2026 04:34 collapse

they were given one without consent from the indigeneous population.

criscodisco@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 04:43 next collapse

Same shit, different century.

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 08:10 collapse

The people that “gave” them the land, the British, had no right to do it either.

NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world on 23 Mar 2026 23:35 next collapse

This is how I know God doesn’t exist, or is an absolutely colossal tool.

Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works on 24 Mar 2026 00:51 next collapse

Exactly have a friend who said “i belive in god, because this world could only be this fucked up on purpose”

underscores@lemmy.zip on 24 Mar 2026 05:26 collapse

I’m in the same camp, if there is a god then they’re into cruelty

Kolanaki@pawb.social on 24 Mar 2026 07:20 collapse

Polytheism be like

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hogmomma@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 14:23 collapse

What do you mean?

Kolanaki@pawb.social on 24 Mar 2026 15:29 collapse

Multiple gods into cruelty.

firelight@startrek.website on 24 Mar 2026 07:23 collapse

Nah. The argument against that is god gave us free will, otherwise our decisions wouldn’t matter.

Us being fucked up isn’t god’s fault; it’s ours.

Don_alForno@feddit.org on 24 Mar 2026 07:53 next collapse

This only works up to a point. Many loving parents will say their kids need to make their own experiences, but they will still keep them from sticking their hand into a power outlet. I wouldn’t say the kid’s choices have no meaning because of this.

Also, if this is true, God also gave us our murderous instincts that make us use our “free will” in this way.

rapchee@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 08:41 collapse

i agree with your overall point, but what “murderous instinct”? most people have trouble killing, someone has to condition them to be effective

NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 13:18 next collapse

I was being facetious. The laws of nature make no room for a god. But, you do you. I’m not gonna argue the existence or lack thereof bcz frankly it’s been centuries and it’s an unfalsifiable concept.

johnyreeferseed@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Mar 2026 13:26 next collapse

“God” gave Eve freewill and then punished humanity when she used it . Sounds like an asshole to me

communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz on 24 Mar 2026 19:25 next collapse

He gives people brain aneurysms all the time but chose not to give these fuckers one?

oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip on 27 Mar 2026 19:07 collapse

That’s just details explaining it, not an argument against it.

Fuck god. If I could time travel I would go back to whoever came up with the idea and kill them before they talked to anyone about it.

That concept could be a great TV show.

ProdigiousInsanity@lemmus.org on 24 Mar 2026 00:18 next collapse

These type of things happening disprove the the belief of good gods. If this type of shit can happen, your supposedly “good” deities are either not powerful or fake.

Flyzeyez@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 00:19 next collapse

Fuck

blitzen@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 03:06 next collapse

I was permanently banned on reddit for commenting under this exact story that I think Islamic terrorists maybe have a point.

Jimbel@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 06:36 next collapse

These are for sure the reasons why humans decide to become terrorists

SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 07:12 collapse

Well it maybe would have a point if they blew up IDF soldiers and not some random train station in Europe or a stadium full of kids and teenagers. All that achieves is more hatred against regular Muslims.

blitzen@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 07:15 next collapse

My comment didn’t accurately express that I meant it about the terrorist acts against Israel.

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 08:09 collapse

They’re not terrorists. They’re resisting the occupation of their lands. the only terrorists are the Zionist demons who gloat about the children they torture and kill.

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Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 12:40 collapse

Hamas didn’t rape torture or kill children. You’re confusing them with the IDF.

I just saw a doctor speak about how the IDF took two kids, zip tied them and then buried them alive face down.

I read an IDF soldier confess how his commander saw a small child playing in the street and then broke his arm and curb stomped him for a laugh.

I then saw video of an 18 month old with cigarette burns from IDF who tortured the kid to get his dad to “confess”

These are just snippets from an ocean of inhumanity and despicable sadistic cruelty meted out by Zionist forces who have lost their humanity.

At this stage if you’re supporting these demons you are yourself one.

QUIC1DE@lemmy.zip on 31 Mar 2026 03:29 collapse

HAMAS not only did it, they were so proud that they literally livestreamed their crimes against humanity while committing them. The evidence is available everywhere, there are hundreds of hours of footage. It is undisputed. Anyone claiming that Hamas didn’t rape or kill children is either delusional or simply lying.

UN report states: “The documented crimes on 7 October were grave violations of international law – killings, hostage-taking, and torture including sexual torture. Across 22 villages approximately 1,200 Israeli and foreign nationals were killed, of which the large majority were civilians. Thousands more were injured. An estimated 240 adults, children and infants were taken hostage into Gaza.”

un.org/…/statement-by-special-rapporteur-on-tortu…

Other sources:

theguardian.com/…/israel-shows-footage-of-hamas-k…

hrw.org/…/october-7-crimes-against-humanity-war-c…

lemonde.fr/…/amnesty-international-accuses-hamas-…

toad@sh.itjust.works on 24 Mar 2026 09:25 next collapse

Israelis were the one propping up isis sweetie

just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Mar 2026 09:43 collapse

Muslim terrorists are terrorists because they are muslim. Otherwise they would just be mental health patients.

As an example: in 2023 out of all the terrorism arrests that happened in Europe, only 13% were immigrants but when you look at news articles, they are filled with immigrants attacking Europe.

Somehow, everyone knows rascism is bad but when it comes to immigrants or muslims, people are waaay too eager to believe that their terrorism is due to their ethnicity or faith rather than the unjust treatment or radicalizing institutes (like ISIS), where as such institutes were funded to defend western economic interests.

SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 10:47 collapse

Where did I say that Islamic terrorist are terrorist because they are muslims? ah yes the guys that blew up Brussels Station or gunned down Charlie Hebdo were just mental health patients. LOL. I’m not talking about the random attacks by mentally ill people my dude.

just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Mar 2026 13:02 collapse

You made a general statement about “muslim terrorist” killing train station and stadium full of kids.

The very word “muslim terrorist” implicates muslims with terrorism through guilt by association. Otherwise people would just call them terrorist.

How come nobody calls IDF jewish terrorist? Cuz when somebody were to use that word everyone else will call them antisemite and rightly so. Even though jewish scripture+rabbis preach violence against gentiles, we still shouldn’t be using that language.

Charlie hebdo or any other crime of that nature happens when the person comitting the crime are failed by the system. They were neglected and alienated by society, indoctrinated by exetremist institutions like ISIS which were themselves created by CIA and the likes to protect western imperialism

SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 14:00 collapse

ok read my post again. I didn’t even write Muslim terrorist in the first post. Also do you feel the same about Anders Breivik as what you just wrote about the Charlie Hebdo attackers?

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joan@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 21:29 collapse

israeli citizens, such as gal gadot, are required to spend two years in the military

Actionschnils@feddit.org on 24 Mar 2026 09:00 next collapse

A news Site controlled by the turkish goverment. Are there any better sources on this topic?

toad@sh.itjust.works on 24 Mar 2026 09:16 next collapse

Yeah like the BBC or CNN or DW 😅

Taldan@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 16:00 collapse

BBC and DW do great work

SulaymanF@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 12:52 next collapse

If you can understand Arabic the father gave an interview and it’s on YouTube and X.

Avicenna@programming.dev on 24 Mar 2026 13:17 collapse

palestinechronicle.com/cigarette-burns-nail-wound…

Might be somewhat better, would be hard to get an early coverage of such a thing in the mainstream media. All of this is also based on interviews with the eye-witnesses although there are claims of confirmation by medical reports. There are also videos of the child with clear puncture etc wounds, which looks like human inflicted.

melsaskca@lemmy.ca on 24 Mar 2026 12:14 next collapse

My God is not Abrahamic. My God chose all people (sometimes he forgets me but I still like my God).

Allero@lemmy.today on 24 Mar 2026 16:03 next collapse

I never stop wondering how much social conditioning and impunity can change people.

No one in their right mind would ever do that. But these people’s brains are turned into a mush made only to kill and torture, to inflict as much pain as possible, on purpose. What does it take to turn a regular person into this?

AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 16:36 next collapse

I imagine the same type of force that turned Germans into nazis. Ordinary Men is a book that talks about how an average police unit slowly began committing atrocities during WW2.

Allero@lemmy.today on 24 Mar 2026 21:28 collapse

And then telling they were just following orders…

answersplease77@lemmy.world on 24 Mar 2026 21:02 collapse

As proof of the level of depravity they get away with, Israelis rape palestinian hostages with knives and dogs:

ohchr.org/…/un-expert-warns-torture-has-become-st…

Sanctus@anarchist.nexus on 24 Mar 2026 16:36 collapse

This has gone on quite enough. Israel and the USA deserve to be abolished and anyone with an ounce of ppwer hanged. John Brown, The Soviets, fucken anyone who says put them down permanently, is right. You can’t allow people to continue after doing evil like this. You have to stop them forever.