Venezuela’s interim leader defies Trump and calls Maduro the ‘only president’
(www.nytimes.com)
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Trump said that Venezuela’s new leader, Delcy Rodríguez, would help the United States run Venezuela. She quickly said the opposite.
Trump said Delcy Rodríguez was sworn in as Venezuela’s interim president and would act as a partner in letting the United States run the country.
“She’s essentially willing to do what we think is necessary to make Venezuela great again,” he said.
Less than two hours later, Ms. Rodríguez — who was Nicolás Maduro’s vice president — delivered a televised address to Venezuela that made clear she viewed the United States as an illegal invader that must be rejected.
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I hope she has her travel bag ready: the Blackhawks are coming for her.
At least she knows they’re coming!
You need an LHD to do that, and the Iwo is already on its way back.
she was in RUSSIA, so she maybe asking them for more assistance/protection.
Russia might be a bit busy right now
thier troll farms are still useful./
She has bigger balls than me, brave but I don’t think this will help her or Venezuela.
Regardless, it’s nice to see people stand up against Goliath
The US is only an imaginary powerhouse. The only real useful tool at our disposal are our nuclear weapons. The US hasnt won a war since WW2, and even then we were given such an upper hand in that fight by joining late and the Soviets changing sides, theres no shot we would have even won that war without Russia.
For an imaginary powerhouse, they sure pulled off the special forces operation of my lifetime, no casualties and kidnapping a President and his wife so he doesn’t get lonely.
That’s a lot of resources to pull that off, satellites, AWACs, God knows what else. It’s a flex.
The US is a mere paper tiger in front of-wait, no, no, NOOOOOOO!
Someone tell me what the image is, I am afraid
A gigantic paper tiger next to the earth. The earth is smaller
A planet sized paper tiger looking at earth in space.
Power isnt about inflicting death and destruction its about getting others to willingly do what you want. Americans used to understand this, once.
Okay allow me to rephrase to MILITARY POWER or MURDER POWER or whatever you wish with regards to death and destruction.
USA is pretty good, don’t you think?
Wasnt a port bombed? Are you sure there are no civilian casualties? It also seems like the operation was successful but the end goal of installing a puppet government is going the wrong direction
No, I’m not even positive that was Maduro in photo. I’m just taking their claims for what they are worth.
No US casualties. Civilian casualties on the other side aren’t a concern.
Yeah, we’re so imaginary we’ve kept Taiwan free and the CCP contained all this time, among dozens of other things. Opposing forces have said going against our special forces is like fighting against aliens because we’re so advanced, methodical and well trained.
What does “contained” mean? China is probably the most influential global power right now due to economic pressure that the US ceded to them. They dont exactly need Taiwan for anything, why would they go to war over that country and risk thermonuclear destruction of the earth?
And Im unaware of any forces talking about our special forces, i dont go looking for that information.
IDK if decades of financing the CCP can be called “containing”. But thank god the capitalists sabotaged the USA empire, we cruelly need something to counter this superpower
Contained? Corporate America literally empowered China into the powerhouse it is today while naively believing they would remain submissive, compliant, and dependent on our technical expertise.
You can’t really believe that.
Which part
I was with you in the first sentence but you’re argument collapsed into fantasy, the worst part of which was the eurocentric view of the war. Many historians consider the start of WW2 to be the Japanese invasion of China in 1938.
Even if she was willing to collab with the yankees, she no longer can appear that way after the terrorists ran their mouths about that.
I’m an American and believe the nations of the world should sanction us into economic ruin over this (and everything else from the last year).
It’s impossible for any western country to sanction the US, we are 100% dependent on US payment processing, trade in USD and US security guarantees (which even if questionable are better than nothing).
It is possible for China to start selling US government bonds, essentially refusing to lend the US money and hold its debt. But I don’t think they’ll do it as a sanction for this event. They’ll do it when they think it’s optimal for their own plans. When a US president needs punishment from their perspective. The current president, from their perspective, doesn’t need punishment because he’s making enemies all over South America and shouldn’t be disturbed while doing that.
As for European countries, I am fairly confident that US defense industry is already frustrated by inability to sell long-term projects. Ukraine will buy what it can right away, but others will think twice. By the way, I’ve got an F-35 to sell you… but you’re only allowed to use it for US-approved conflicts. ;)
Probably after the upcoming ‘Democracy for Cuba’ campaign.
Having access to an additional 20% of global oil reserves will likely increase demand for US debt.
Not for very much longer.
Use China’s CIPS system for payment processing, trade in Euro or Yuan, buy gold instead of US treasuries.
Nah. Just a targeted police action to arrest the rogue elements who purport to be the lawfully elected government.
They’d be justified in sanctions, but I don’t think that it would actually accomplish anything. The people doing this shit don’t give a flying fuck about them because it would hurt you and me, not them.
I support bombing both DC and Mar a Lago. Or, just bomb one of the golf courses he’s at. He’s such an easy target for anyone that wants to kill him.
If only he took less stimulants so that he stood still enough for that nice young man from Pennsylvania
Such a nice young man. A little more training was all he needed.
I’m not a fan of anyone killing him but what if a country captures him and puts him on trial?
He’s already proven he’s okay with that.
They already have that covered.
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As far as I know the US is charging Maduro domestically so what’s stopping another country from doing the same with Trump?
The US military.
That's 50% of the electorate.
Not really, although they want you to believe that. In reality, over a third of registered voters abstained from voting in 2024.
More people didn’t vote than voted for either candidate.
They voted for "whoever the other guys want."
That was a vote for Trump.
I got bad news for you about that dumb ass third that wouldn’t turn out for democrats anymore than republicans. You’d likely get the same numbers. They didn’t vote for a reason. They either didn’t like either that much or they ate dumb as shit on a brick. The former may vote dem slightly more but the latter would be influenced in the election line by the dumb shits passing out flyers, and they are more often republicans from what I’ve seen.
People that checked out will not vote the way you fucking think.
The only way to get to them is to make them fucking uncomfortable. That’s it.
A lot of them are self-proclaimed leftists who have no practical sense of realpolitik, and are so focused on their purity tests that they’ll never put forward a viable candidate.
A lot of them bought into the tiktok propaganda that Biden and Harris were responsible for Gaza, while ignoring how much worse it would get under trump. They simply (and rabidly) accused anyone who supported the Democrats of being complicit in genocide.
This time there’s not an incumbent democrat, so hopefully the same people will blame the current administration and vote accordingly. That is, if the entire hype wasn’t socially engineered by the US’s adversaries to get trump elected so he could weaken the country…
A robust Democratic primary will also help reduce boycott voters, although some will likely always complain that the nominee isn’t perfect enough for their liking. That can’t be helped.
But at least some of the fence-sitting centrists will come out in force against trump, since it’s so obvious how shitty everything is.
So I think there’s still hope. As long as states maintain control of their own elections and keep them free and fair…
50% of the electorate wouldn’t be hurt by sanctions, or 50% of the electorate would be arrested?
In either case, I’m referring to the president, his staff and cabinet. People actually directly making decisions who won’t see any consequences from sanctions.
Fix your own fucking country.
Brother, a South African Billionaire poured all the money he could into the last election until it was broken. An Australian media mogul set the stage for this with 30 years of propaganda and Europe themselves built a system of reliance on America, all of which were necessary steps to getting here. This doesn’t happen without Fox news, without Elon Musk, or without Europe being so entangled in the US they can barely enact any sanctions without destroying their own countries.
And we let them do it
I don’t remember having a say in Citizens United, or the defense contracts of other countries. I can say I’ve voted for every politician on my ballot that promised to challenge CU and/or reduce military spending though. But those votes aren’t always democrats so half the time people tell me I waste my vote for it.
Yea, they keep lying to us about how ” The other “ is to blame if you don’t vote a certain way.
And i mean, at this point the damned outcome doesn’t feel much different in the end.
Voting isn’t the only say you have in your nation. I heard so much about how the second amendment is to prevent tyranny. Tyranny is here.
How do you imagine the second amendment being used going? Tell me specifically what you’re asking for because training and organizing takes time, so do plans against a military your country is deathly afraid of, but if what you want is random people shooting in the streets just say so, because that’s easy but leads to Trump declaring Martial Law. So I really want to know what exactly do you want to see?
What I really want to see is Americans forming resistance communities, educating themselves, organizing, and preparing for a revolution in the United States. As non-violent of a revolution as is possible. I want to see class consciousness, solidarity and compassion spreading and community building. I want to see worker and housing co-operatives starting up to build an alternative to the state and capitalism. I want to see those resistance communities work together to establish an alternative currency.
My second choice would be a civil war.
Your country was founded on stolen land and has a history of doing this throughout your history. The nazis were inspired by your nation.
Stop blaming everyone else, take accountability, and accept that your country has to change itself.
Edit: So it seems this touched a nerve. I just wanted to edit to add that, of course, America isn’t the only evil empire, it’s just, at present, the worst evil empire.
Americans are, in my experience, very firmly in denial about the history of their nation, wanting to act like Trump is acting in some unprecedented way. He isn’t, at all. This won’t end when Trump is deposed. You need to change the spirit of your people.
You are not alone in that, of course, but we all need to admit it.
There were only Native Americans before America was ‘founded’, so who exactly stole it, remind me?
I’m not trying to defend Europe. I am just pointing out that US Americans are responsible for the actions of the US, and that you should take responsibility for those actions.
Your argument is kind of like trying to blame any crimes I commit on my great great grandfather. You have agency.
You can be proud of your history, or ashamed of it. I am ashamed of my European nation for what it has done in the past. I believe that my country is a terrible place and has done terrible things. I would rejoice to see it dissolved and the rulers held accountable. I would cheer to see our entire government put on trial.
That was not my argument, that was the argument of the person I replied to when they decided the US being stolen was relevant. I literally only asked who stole it, that’s is. There were no Americans until the American revolution. Just Natives and European colonists.
The implication is obvious: Americans didn’t steal land, Europeans did! Then those Europeans became Americans so you can wash your hands of it.
It’s your ancestors. It’s your legacy. You benefitted from it.
Take accountability. I am not blaming you for it, but you are living in the consequences of it. In much the same way that the Japanese want to deny their WWII atrocities, US Americans want to deny their atrocities.
The US needs to change and so does much of the rest of the world. The two aren’t mutually exclusive and much of the problem as it now exists can only take this current visage because of both national and international groundwork laid before. Whether or not this country is capable of positive change, that change alone would not be enough to prevent this from happening again. We know this because, in different ways and at varying levels of effectiveness, what is happening in the US is also happening in a plethora of places all around the world, right this moment, for basically all of the same reasons and purposes.
As the person you responded to already illustrated, the problem is larger than any one country, and looking away from that is just as in the way of progress as the countless shitheads among my own countrymen who refuse to stand up against what cruelties this nation is currently enacting.
So, yes. US citizens definitely do need to do their part. We have a lot of shit to sort over here. But that doesn’t make it helpful to pretend that we are the only number in this elaborate equation. The wealthy dirtbags who’ve put us all in this position benefit off of treating it as such, as this allows them the same freedom to keep at it, but this certainly does not make it true. If the US were to properly fall and the current administration was erased along with it, do you really think this problem would be over? Don’t you think the stateside billionaires pushing for all of this would just leave and continue on elsewhere? And what of those who ar not and never were based here?Us dipshit US rednecks aren’t stopping all of them from all of that, no matter how this all ends up going down. Not on our own, at the very least. Because, in spite of our outsized effect on the globe, the problem is much larger than just us.
Fucking hot take from someone that doesn’t think about the stupid shit they say.
So my family is here literally because both grandparents escaped the Nazis. I’m not fucking here because of genocide in america, im here because of genocide in europe!
A genocide EUROPEANS didn’t handle let alone Germany!
Your words are meaningless. You don’t think about what America IS. Who really lives here!
That’s BEFORE the fact everyone took advantage of our military might while telling their citizens how much better they were because look at the cheap healthcare and education!
While they peep on the data of millions for the eyes of the surveillance state that is the USA in secret. For shame on everyone.
America is a fucking joke. Every American is at fault for all of the ills of the world. So fucking easy to be you, isn’t it? Offload all that bandwidth to people you don’t know, to think you’re above over a hundred million people. More people than most countries have in the usa and are against this. They vote in people who lied to them about leading them through this. All of our fucking allies helped in this charade!
Everyone is to fucking blame.
You are jumping to so many conclusions, I haven’t claimed any of those things you seem to think I have.
The USA isn’t alone and pretty much every country sucks. But the USA is the ruling country of the American Empire and it has been for nearly a century.
Honestly, I think you’re just getting angry from the cognitive dissonance.
Just accept that your nation is the bad guys and that you need to change it. Yes, other people need to change too.
Honestly though, it’s probably not going to matter, the US is in decline and pretty much is going to collapse soon.
Poor powerless stupid Americans, but responsible for anything they country does.
Grow the fuck up.
All I’ve said is we’re not the only ones who need to change which is pretty unarguable. It’s so strange seeing people misinterpret that the second they feel called out. Why is it controversial for the top level commentor to ask for sanctions, aka ask for other people to aslo not support a war mongering country? Is that not what we all agreed was best to do to Russia? Or would sanctioning the US inconvenience you too much?
Global problems need global solutions, and the current American government is absolutely a global problem.
The whole world is sick of America trying to fix the world because we fuck up everything we touch. You really want us fixing this shit ourselves?
They don’t have the stomach for it. They can’t inconvenience themselves enough to stop it, either. All that American hate is projection.
Sorry according to our Supreme Court money is more important than people in the usa… And the president is allowed to do anything which only gop ones seem to care about
Germany didn’t.
As an American, I believe that we need to come together ASAP and form a police task force to remove the regime by legitimate, democratic means. It’s called its shots: The regime has said that it intends to eliminate 100 million Americans.
By deportation for now. Let’s not wait for its final solution.
Afraid we’re too far gone, Biden blew our last chance at holding these people accountable. At this point it’s going to take internal economic collapse and likely external war to end this.
Not being cynical! But that’s my take from modern history.
I think that you are correct, as building a coalition outside of the now-thoroughly-broken system is a heavy lift. But dammit, what would we be if we don’t at least try?
What? Could you link me the quote for that. 100 million? Surely this can’t be a number they said.
There is no way 1/3 of the population are there illegally (their justification for removing them), right?
May the multiverse gods have mercy on our timeline…
Here’s a link to an article. As the reporter here points out, 100 million is suspiciously close to the number of nonwhite people in the U.S.
Holy balls.
Really hoping the Americans realise they need to rise up like yesterday. The world is so screwed. The US is far, FAR more militarily powerful than Nazi Germany ever was.
:(
Dictators around the world are getting too comfortable. They’re seeing too many examples of other dictators getting away with war crimes, illegal invasions, and other atrocities.
Putin emboldened Netanyahu, Netanyahu emboldened trump, and I don’t even want to think about who’s going to feel emboldened by trump.
Rules based order, multilateralism, and international law seem to be crumbling with no enforcement. Arguably the greatest achievements of the twentieth century, disappearing like vapor…
Xi Jinping. Taiwan is next, especially if this goes south and fixes the US naval assets in place for a prolonged period.
There is only one China. How can China invade itself lmao
There is only one China and Taiwan isn’t a part of it.
I think the Taiwanese government would disagree.
If they are part of one China why do they have a separate government?
They say they don’t - the rest of China does.
I think you’re showing your lack of knowledge on the subject with this comment.
It’s well-known that both governments claim sovereignty over all of China, and both include Taiwan as part of that. Just this is claimed less strongly when the KMT aren’t in power.
Many people on the island want the status quo, or independence, but others also want some form of reunification. Opinions are varied.
The official position still is that there is one China. (The government in Taiwan even claims the 9 dash line in the south China sea lol)
They still use an 11 dash line IIRC
I stand corrected, forgot about that detail!
The PRC gave 2 dashes to Vietnam, since it wasn’t of such strategic importance once north Vietnam had their revolution and wasn’t going to let the west use Vietnam for hostile actions.
This was before the sino-soviet split got weird.
Yeah but everyone knows the official position is bullshit.
Do you understand the difference between De Jure and De Facto? Maybe look up what those means because you’re showing a lack of knowledge of how anything works in the world.
Taiwan is de jure a part of China but it is a de facto an independent country. China has an authoritarian government that gets butt hurt over every little thing. So the One China policy is all about them “saving face”.
Maybe read up on strategic ambiguity as well if you want to be more knowledgeable about the subject.
TLDR, Taiwan is a country. A lot of diplomacy is about piling on layers upon layers of bullshit, because bullshit is preferable to war. But unless you’re working for a country as a diplomat, there’s no need for bullshit… Taiwan is a country.
This whole comment is strawmanning me.
Yes.
Yes, but more accurately, the official government position in Taiwan, that there is one China and they’re the legitimate government, is a historical hangover. The One China policy from the mainland is also a historical hangover, difference is that because they have the bigger stick now, they reckon they can take over, by force or political/economic coercion.
I don’t disagree with you that the mainland government is authoritarian.
You’re really just reading what you want to read to be able to call me an idiot. I am aware of what this is, and didn’t mention it in my comment because the original comment was specifically about Taiwanese claims on mainland China. Not writing a holistic comment on everything.
This is the reason you’ve strawmanned me, because you’re ready to fight with anyone who says it’s not a country which I never said. I tend to agree that Taiwan is a country. It’s got its own government, and its own territory and existed that way for decades. But that’s just my opinion, and because of history the status IS UNDETERMINED because part of the current definition of being a country is that other COUNTRIES recognise you as a country. Again, I also believe it functions de facto as it’s own country - don’t get triggered.
The people in Taiwan have far more democratic freedom than in the mainland (in my view) - well, with the caveat is that capitalism is inherently undemocratic.
All I originally said was that the official ROC government position is that there is one China, and Taiwan is part of China, that the government in Taiwan claims to be the legitimate government of. This is a statement of fact, not my opinion…
That, and that OPINIONS OF THE PEOPLE THERE VARY. Trying to paint them as a monolith is propaganda.
Yikes… Please chill before you decide to strawman someone who isn’t even arguing against you.
There are many Special Administrative regions of China like Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan. They are still China.
I’m pretty sure Taiwan doesn’t think they’re the same China as the mainland.
The government of Taiwan claims all of China. Taiwan absolutely thinks it’s China.
Okay bud.
There’s only one China and the Mainland isn’t a part of it
There’s a bandit regime in Beijing that want’s to attack the Chinese people living on Formosa Island.
So, the thing is… all the nations that care will be financially ruined trying that.
Which would strengthen their enemies…
And they know that.
Geopolitics has consequences. What some see as endless wars others see as opportunity to practice a long held human tradition. War.
It’s a skill you lose if you don’t practice.
Today we were told once again the west is dead. Long live America, and the west… is the western hemisphere. It belongs to the USA. America owns everything on this continent. They keep telling us that. Who is going to stop them when Russia tells Europe… guess who provides you the oil that runs your great nations. Sure would be a shame to leave you in the dark. China gets the rest. Unified, finally.
The new world order.
“The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be”
Can’t believe this is the history we got.
If they don’t, Greenland will be next.
This is starting to smell like appeasement real fast.
Fine. What do YOU, as a citizen of a rogue state, do to stop all this?
I march, I vote, I speak out, I financially support the opposition and legal causes trying to stop this shit, and I ask for help. There’s not much else I can do short of violence, and even that’s not a viable option since the non-GOP party decided guns were bad and convinced their supporters to disarm themselves.
Won’t happen. NATO/Europe still depends on the US .
In the short term, yes. In the long term, everyone is moving away from the US. The US has declined significantly in the last year, and that decline will continue because while everyone is still saying the US is an ally, we all know the US is really an adversary now. It’s not going to be a big event that will register for brain rotted Americans that have no attention span. It’s something that will change year over year.
It’s just not in our best interests to openly antagonize Trump at the moment. Trump is an old man and he won’t live forever, but the impact of the things he’s done and the inaction of the American people means the US will not be trusted by any country for generations.
Stfu yankee
“Art of the Deal”
It’s all staged.
Don’t know yet, actions will show.
I think this is a situation where it’s fair to ask for proof of what you’re claiming. By no means am I saying you’re wrong, but I’d like to understand why you think this is so.
Good. Trump otoh, in good old mafia manner:
Problem is now they are prepared and probably get support from other countries.
Were they really expecting Venezuela to welcome the US as their new puppeteer just because they kidnapped their leader?
I mean, do you remember W Bush’s post war Iraq plans? The party hasn’t gotten any less myopic since then.
Have you seen modern US military engagements? Those motherfuckers dont learn from their mistakes.
Well actually, they do. Theyve learned starting conflicts makes weapons manufacturers and military contractors big dollars. Especially when the economy is cooling off.
also economic downturns supplies the military with needed cannon fodder which furthers the Contractors needs which otherwise would never join. when the 08 recession hit, so much people wanted to join that the services were denying people left and right much more than they wouldve.
I’ve seen comments saying “my friend is venezuelan and they are celebrating this in the streets”.
Seems that Venezuelans in Venezuela are protesting, and Venezuelans abroad are celebrating: apnews.com/…/venezuela-us-explosions-caracas-25a0…
they probably want the other political opponent that was welcoming us in open arms.
I am pretty sure they made a deal with Rodríguez beforehand.
Dehumanising your enemy is a step towards fascism.
And what happened to the Vietnamese after the Yankees left? If you think you’re going to improve things by killing lots of people you’re a moron.
Its funny, many years ago I had a friend that taught English in south Korea for a bit and got to talk with a bunch of people that also did so one night. It sticks with me today that almost everyone who taught in Vietnam said it was hands down the best place with the best people to do that line of work. One woman told me about how there is not a lot of money but in the small village (I have no idea how big that actually is since I was also told that a place of 100k people in China was also a “village”) she was treated like one of their own and even had a small parade when she left. She also taught in Japan, Indo and South Korea but always tried to get more work in Vietnam even though they pay the least.
The very idea that somehow the nation with most positive opinion in southeast Asia (maybe even all of Asia) is also being off offhandedly insulted by what I would assume is an american in a tone deaf, evidence free and super easy to disprove statement kinda makes me chuckle. The Vietnamese are fine, no thanks to the us, and from what I know of the history using the war as an example of “If you think you’re going to improve things by killing lots of people you’re a moron.” is just dang funny.
When was that? I was talking about the time after the Vietnam war. In recent years, things have been getting better there, obviously. Also, one person having a positive experience doesn’t make the place a utopia.
Everyone I have spoken to who has been there have said nice things.
Edit: The same can not be said of China, or the us.
What bad things do people who went to China say? The only negative I have is the state of the bathrooms and the great firewall.
Food quality, endless scams, economic options for people, government corruption (more so the local governments) and from a woman I went to collage with; a bleak situation as a woman overall (however this may have improved).
These where comments from people who lived there (some born there) and that’s not even mentioning the government threats to ex pats that happen.
Huh, I guess the government seriously cracked down on the first 3 before I got there. I did hear complaints about the difficulty getting a job.
The food thing was mostly localized and people who did not look Chinese had more issues, most people I know that lived in China got very sick at least once. Not saying the food is bad or anything, I think it is more a matter of scamming people. The scamming is really bad in some parts but not bad in others and not a problem unique to China. And the economic option issues is more about not having good places to invest money in China, and that makes sense since I am talking mostly to people who have left for that reason.
what you said, what happened to the vietnamese people after the war, yea it wasnt good at first because they got out of a war. but overtime they recovered economically and improved relationships with the west, especially USA. your initial comment they suffered alot, well duh its after the war thats why they fled the regime. overtime it has gotten alot better, you seem to think they ended up destitute like North korea for some reason.
also VIETNAM is pretty pro-usa so to speak. economically, unlike china which has a hate/love relationship. its only the Vietnamese imimgrants,older who are all wierd they are hard right folks in the us because they hated vietnam during the war.
Eh, I would not know about the ones in the us as I have never talked to any and generally don’t try and look for american opinions (they show up without me doing anything anyway).
Vietnam after the war was one of the most repressive dictatorships on earth that hundreds of thousands of people fled from. Such freedom.
Repressive regimes depend on people like you for their existence.
I am glad, thank you.
believe me ive talked to people who immigrated from vietnamese, they are hard rightoids, its not like these are good people that ended up in America either. also vietnamese, koreans has a general dislike for Chinese people in the usa, eventhough both parties are so far removed from thier own countries and have little to do with thier politics anymore.
Cunt everything you enjoy was achieved through mass disobedience and violence. Yet you have the gall to say it doesn’t improve things? Are you stupid or just uneducated?
Violence just leads to more violence. If you paid even a tiny bit of attention to history, you’d know that.
The power of love is what gave many the courage to charge fascist lines and keep firing until they heard the “PING!” , over and over again, until those fascists were no longer able to continue hurting people.
I’d argue we need that power of love more than ever, as it discerns righteous violence from the pointless bloodshed lusted after by evil men.
To love one another is to make certain our neighbor must never endure the fascist’s boot.
I pray we all find the courage to love one another a little more fiercely, in the face of these horrors.
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They build a prospering nation that uplifted their people from poverty. The Vietnamese are - in the absolute majority - very happy with their government.
If that was the case, surely they’d hold free and fair elections to confirm that.
Well… this was something I talked about with my father in law a while back when I lived in Vietnam, he replied around the line of “For what?”.
You should not think everyone in the world wants the same things people in the west want.
The party has elections. The best measure of whether a country is democratic is if they do what the people want and whats in the people’s interest vs those of billionaires.
Russia and America have elections, but we both know they’re not meaningfully democratic.
“We don’t need free and fair elections because other countries don’t have them either” is about the dumbest argument you can make.
“We have more democracy than you so shut the fuck up” is the argument.
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I’ve never been but fuck them’s some clean streets.
I kinda cherry picked that one, the streets are much worse in Hanoi/hcmc.
vietnam as far as the economy goes they have been chugging along pretty good, despite being ccp-lite, they hadnt suffer irreversible damage, like N korea when america had to withdraw from the country. besides alot of manufacturing is ending up in the country
Well, a bunch of them did something against it, they just failed. That’s how their democracy works, if more than half of the country wants somethings, the other half is along for the ride. And if only quarter of voters don’t want something, they’re not only along for the ride, but they get the shittiest deal.
If they failed they did nothing about it.
We need to rally these Americans to organize and strike
On the one hand, Maduro’s leadership is illegitimate and horrible.
That said, the US isn’t invading because they want to bring peace and democracy to them. It’s because they want to get oil production for private businesses back into the country and because they didn’t “fall in line”.
Fucking US Imperialism revival going on…
Maduro’s leadership is a helluva lot more legitimate than the orange pedophile.
The bar of course, is so low we still haven’t heard it hit the bottom yet. :(
Say you’re living in a house with a shitty landlord. The local mobster turns up at his house, beats him up, and steals the keys to his tenants’ houses. The tenants cheer! The mobster then proceeds to turn up at your house, open the doors with the keys, and steals all your shit.
The mobster is not on your side and never was.
Note that “all your shit” includes your copper plumbing and wiring so your house is uninhabitable. He probably tracked in a bunch of PFAS and other toxic stuff all over your garden too. And left an upper decker in your toilet for good measure.
And then his friends companies will offer to replace your copper pipes with some shit that’s illegal in their home town
ah the 'ol upper decker!
hit em where it hurts (and where they can’t see it, only smell it. well except for the toilet that keeps flushing brown)
It’s unclear that they’re illegitimate.
Yes, they certainly manipulated an election.
…but “the west” was manipulating the same election.
…Maduro and Trump?
Not sure what you mean.
I’m saying it not at all clear Maduro is illegitimate. Trump certainly has no high ground to unilaterally decide who is and who isn’t.
Yes. If they intervened right after the elections, there could be an argument, but now it’s obvious that it’s only about business. Trump and his cronies don’t give a shit about democracy
Agreed. But, going forward. Don’t even give the first “hand” point. It’s meaningless. All it does is give a “both sides” opening for the normies to think there is debate.
This isn’t 2010. The fascist don’t arguing in good faith. Just state that this shit is wrong, why it’s wrong, and move on.
We ARE the Nazis. There isn’t a “well, you would invade if Hilter was leader” argument to be had. This is the equivalent of Hilter invading Venezuela. There are no scenarios in which “one hand” needs to be said.
I really hope people start to understand this. Because, at this point, any “hand” given to America is like giving justification for Nazi Germany.
In this case rhe US are the baddies however you spin it
No. Forgetting truth is what got us here. Maduro was a sham-“elected” dictator, not some gardener making tomatoes.
Words mean things, and using them dishonestly weakens the word. We are not Nazis, Trump is not Hitler, as there are not literal roving death squads literally rounding up and gunning down minorities as state policy. The US is not invading Venezuela for liebenstraum with the intent of genociding the people who live there.
The words you’re looking for are “Mussolini” and “fascist Italy”. Can even mention invading Ethiopia! And maybe even relish in how Mussolini met his end :)
Venezuela’s elections were widely monitored, even independent groups from the US said they didn’t find irregularities. The people saying it was stolen are the same people asking Trump to take over, and they also support Israeli genocide and asked them to help as well. Do you have a direct source for your conviction that the elections were a sham?
I’d argue it’s closer to Russia invading Cuba, but valid.
“revival” you say, as if this hasn’t been the entire history of the US. they’re just not bothering to even try to cover it up anymore
i heard chevron was still operating under maduro, but the others ones were ousted decades ago.
Maduro is NOT the only President of Venezuela. Furthermore, I recognize Delcy Rodriguez as the new Venezuelan President. I sincerely wish her the best of luck. Seriously!
Nothing Trump ever does ever lasts more than a few hours.
“We conquered Venezuela”
Two hours later: “No, you didn’t”
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Why did they use a Eurocopter AS350 for this poster?
That’s what you got from this?
Some folks are all about the little details and we’re better off for it. :p
this
Were they supposed to be stunned enough not to notice lol
There is a possibility that Maduro would be ‘returned’, with an ‘understanding’ to line Trump’s pockets. Delcy might be hedging here - she can either fall in line behind Maduro when the time comes, or push back and be recognized by Venezuelans as truly legitimate.
that is exactly what’s going on here.
I think what we are seeing is Trump telling the truth. Rodriguez is likely a puppet of the US. She is trying to save face to be able to actually prevent popular uprising.
This works for both of them. Trump gets to tell the truth about US influence and control of Venezuela. It’s makes him look strong and this is the only message most Americans will hear. And Rodriguez gets to look to be against the occupation; while working closely with the US in reality. And this narrative is what will be pushed heavily in Venezuela.
Maduro heavily armed his supporters. This wasn’t meant to actually stop the invasion of Venezuela. It was meant to create insurgent groups of resistance that would put America in another Iraq situation. But the US wasnt deterred by this.
This seems to be an attempt to bring Maduro supporters in line and give the US time to insert their puppets at all meaningful levels of power in Venezuela. (The resistance to occupation part).
At least that’s my take on this. The US is in the wrong here. Clearly. But, I’m not going to jump to believe a leader that is only sitting in that position because the US allows them to be. They kidnapped the leader of a foreign nation. You think Rodriguez would be allowed a microphone for anything but the purpose of US imperialism? No.
Do I think this will work? Will it actually stop resistance groups in Venezuela? No, I don’t think it will. But only time will tell.
TLDR: Rodriguez is just trying to not look like a complete puppet and trying to save face.
“t RUMP gets to tell the truth”
I don’t think that is possible.
He’s blatantly admitting he wants oil, so he’s accidentally telling the truth
The US don’t need the oil. Cuba needs the oil and will be next. The US needs oil to be traded in Dollar and they need the Americas to be free of Chinese influence when they are going to contain China. So Nicaragua will also be liberated.
I would say it’s crazy but the oil is a lie.
Yeah, why did we start thinking trump isn’t lying just because his lies now align with our preconceptions?
While it’s not quite a lie (I’m sure it factors in), this occurred days after Maduro announced a very positive meeting with a Chinese trade envoy. It’s very transparently a power consolidation thing, and the oil is just a convenient bonus.
I kind of assume at this point that when people say “they want the oil” they mean “they want control of the oil”. But maybe I’m just too charitable.
Either way. The oil isn’t really a lie. It’s just a simplification of why controlling it is important to US capitalst interests.
Oil is all about control and power. Many Americans vote based on gas prices and then do whatever mental gymnastics needed to pretend wars that “coincidentally” happen in countries with oils weren’t at all influenced by their voting habits.
MBS could wake up tomorrow and make some moves to raise the price of gas. So every world leader has to suck up to him no matter how many people that psychopath chops up with a bone saw. Because of extreme dependency on oil the entire economy can change based on the whims of a psychopath.
Our insane dependency on oil means our economy is under the control of psychopaths. In order for the GOP to have any chance of maintaining power, they need the gas prices to drop before November. Suck up to MBS, suck up to the oil companies, and get that Venezuelan oil to US refineries and get those gas prices down. The GOP will likely take a hit in the mid terms either way, but if they get the price of gas down, it will soften the blow.
Something about automobiles have turned a lot of people into little psychopaths that don’t care if people die (though they pretend to be against it LOL) so long as a tank of of gas is a little cheaper. GOP is bad for doing wars, but they’ll still vote GOP for cheaper gas while loudly proclaiming they’re against wars so they don’t feel complicit.
I don’t know. Could also be that Rodríguez made a deal with Trump only to betray him now with the protection of Russia.
Will it become like Mexico? Full of cartels that the government can’t control
Edit: I don’t know why the downvotes for a genuine question but ok
Doubtful. Mexico is in a very different situation than Venezuela. To Americans though it’s hard to think much beyond “brown people that live south of us”.
Trump is always playing 4D chess we just can’t understand!
Or maybe, just maybe, a guy convicted of 34 counts of fraud only knows how to scam people and doesn’t actually know how anything works in the world.
Wait, are you saying that the US still has boots on the ground in Venezuela? Do they still have physical influence in the country? That’s the only way they could ‘allow’ or ‘disallow’ an official to address their people, right?
I guess I was under the impression that they just kidnapped the leader and left. I thought, from what I saw from the Venezuelan officials, that the US dose not currently have a continued presence in the country.
The status of this was pretty unclear at the time I wrote the comment. I highly doubt we’re getting accurate info from there right now. But, I doubt Rodriguez is doing things out of fear; likely more out of self interest along with self preservation.
It makes him look like a huge dumbass
Yes. I think the problem with the way I write sometimes is that I phrase things with the assumption that the reader understands the context in my head and can miss a thought. Definitely should have been “look strong to his supporters”.
maduro sure dint do any favors by selecting her as his vp, she already voiced her support like weeks ago, maduro couldve dealt with her before then, but she probably got the wind of it and was in russia just in case maduro wants her captured.
I don’t think she knows about Second Abduction, Pip.
Right, I’m just hearing people clamoring for a free trip to the US.
It’s insane how fast MAGA went from no wars to “we are so happy that a dictator was removed and the people of Venezuela are happy!”
WTF!?!? It’s batshit crazy the lengths they go to to justify all his illegal actions.
It’s really easy to change your positions when there were never any principles behind it either way.
This is what I’m so desperate for people to understand: these are empty people. In terms of politics, they don’t have beliefs in the way you and I do. They have hollowed out that part of themselves. This is why debate or the introduction of new facts never changes their minds, because it never made up their mind in the first place. Such a change requires your positions to be propped up by genuine belief in what you think is the right thing, where that prop can be knocked over.
These people belong to a team, a clan, a cult, however you want to phrase it. The only thing that matters is that their side is in power and uses that power to act against those who aren’t. Any means to that end is valid to them. They’ll happily switch to whichever position is most convenient for them without missing a beat. They’re only justifying it to you to keep you busy and distracted, they never really believed a word they said. They just chose the words they thought would be most effective to win.
The best term I have heard is “reprogrammable meatbags” for these idiots. They will spew back whatever official propaganda is shit into their heads like dutiful puppets. They don’t care that they can hold two diametrically opposing ideas or viewpoints at the same time.
I’ve always said, “you can’t logic someone out of a position they didn’t logic themselves into”.
“communism bad” has been hammered into the heads of Americans for decades, it’s easy to exploit that reflex
Venezuela hasn’t been exactly a star performer for socialism this century has it?
It’s not “USA! USA!”
These are people that call the Nazi party Socialists because they were “National Socialists”.
They are scared of the word. They have no idea what it actually means.
It’s 19th century ideology. I think we’d have some good examples to point to by now
And if those people cared about truth and rationality, your examples would probably be effective.
under chavez maybe, but with maduro hes basically a trump.
Wait? They’re saying venezuelans are happy about it? Is that false?
Afaik Maduro was a harsh dictator so it’s not totally unplausible in my head that they would be happy this happened.
Asking, not implying anything. Idk what to trust about this.
Removing the Dictator doesn’t get rid of the Dictatorship without actual occupation and regime change, like the US did in Iraq.
Trump thinks he can remove the head of state then that makes him the head of state. Like some sort of video game or something - you capture the capital city once and suddenly you own all the territory. That’s just not how this works, and there are clear recent examples to show it.
Tx for the response
maduros govt is still in power, hence the VP is taking control, if she isnt going to bootlick TRUMP, is unlikely it will change. I think trump was vying for the other opposition that will roll over for him.
the ones that fled the countries are happy. the ones in the country is pretty scared right now.
right wing propaganda is a hellava drug. especially for venezuelans in USA. its not like venezuelas is suddenly going to elect a democratic president, it almost never is when USA/UK backs a coup.
There will be a sham election and a USA stooge will (try to) rule the place for a while. Then he’ll be couped by the masses. Another stooge ascends to power, with USA’s blessing. And so on…
All of this has happened many times before in South America.
they were never, anti war.
then saying so was such an obvious lie, they were always vocally pro war.
So venezuela is a colony of USA ? Is this even allowed ?? Can western countries keep colonies now ?
France never let theirs go. That said WTF!?
TIL I could just move to Algeria tomorrow
What do you mean allowed? There isn’t actually a world police force that’s going to arrest Trump or anything like that.
International Law is just a bunch of treaties that countries have agreed to follow. Countries don’t agree to treaties that prevent them from doing what they want to do. The reason why this kind of thing doesn’t happen more often is because political stability is preferable for capitalist systems. Trump only cares about the money he makes personally, so he takes bribes and now he’s prioritizing the interests of only the companies that pay him bribes over the economy in general. Global stability is good for the economy, but Trump only cares about personal profit.
Sure they do. The US made a bunch of treaties with Native Americans, then when they wanted to do the prohibited things they just did them anyone and ignored the treaties that they agreed to
OK
Look up Russia’s defence pack with Ukraine.
The US did not agree to and is not subjected to the ICC as far as I know
They’ve sanctioned a number of the ICC judges and made their lives difficult just to be dicks.
Sure and the ICJ calls for the arrest of leaders of sovereign countries. The only difference between the ICJ the US is the US has to capability actually arrest world leaders while the ICJ doesn’t. And the fact that a lot of people dislike Putin and Netanyahu, but apparently don’t have a problem with Maduro? Which is kinda weird, but at any rate if what’s considered permissible is based on who you like and who you don’t like, it’s not actually law.
So the ICJ made it permissible to arrest leaders of sovereign countries and now we’re seeing the consequences of the precedent they created.
Personally I think it’s a bad thing to arrest leaders of sovereign countries no matter who they are. It makes diplomacy more difficult and negotiations to end conflicts should be prioritized over ineffectual theatrics. It also allows military action to be whitewashed as laying down justice. If the ICJ can arrest world leaders, why can’t we?
The ICJ should probably be reformed, they’ve lost too much legitimacy and have actually given legitimacy to the actions of authoritarians.
Do you really put bombing an EU country below Trump?
He absolutely would if he thought he could profit from it without endangering his position. He still might.
greenland has ton of rare earth metals, but its almost impossible to mine them currently.
He basically threatened to kill her today, so. Neat
he also threatened greenland, mexico, other s american countries, just to add more content to the news to distract from PDF island.
when will the world get their shit together and impose sanctions/embargoes on this terrorist failed state?