Canada ‘will never be part of the US’, says new PM Mark Carney amid trade war
(www.theguardian.com)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 2025 23:18
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 2025 23:18
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Summary
Mark Carney was sworn in as Canada’s 24th prime minister on March 14, declaring “We will never, in any shape or form, be part of the US,” rejecting Donald Trump’s annexation threats.
Carney won the Liberal leadership with 85.9% of the vote despite having no elected experience.
He called US Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s suggestion that Canada would be better as “the 51st state” simply “crazy.”
Carney is expected to call an election soon as he faces the challenge of managing Trump’s trade war that threatens to push Canada into recession.
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I don’t know what impact the Trump administration is having on the likelihood of conservatives having political power in the US in the future, but it sure isn’t having a positive effect on conservatives in Canada.
Probably a stupid question but how would conservatives differentiate from the liberals on the question of US annexation?
I’m so used to seeing conservatives play opposites with liberal positions just to be contrarian, the natural assumption is that if liberals are vehemently opposed to US encroachment then the conservatives will be more receptive… but in this case that seems antithetical to a sovereign government?
Presumably… their message would be something along the lines of strengthening the relationship with US govt while retaining sovereignty and reducing the impact of tariffs.
That’s one issue where they both agree. The conservatives want to be more like the US with lower taxes and fewer regulations, but they still want to be Canadian.
Then why won’t Pollievre even look at the intel on who in the CPC may be a foreign asset?
It took weeks for Pollievre to come out as being on Canada’s side in this trade war. It’s only when his chances of winning an election started evaporating he did that.
Pollievre is only Canadian when there’s no other option for him to get power. That dude has collaborator written all over him. He’s only for Vichy Canada.
There’s also an election coming up in Australia and the position of the conservative opposition is to give Trump whatever he wants. So contarianism is alive and well there.
It’s because their playbook has been the same populist “get the elite out of politics” nonsense that the GOP have been pushing since 2015.
Turns out that wanting to be like MAGA really backfired once they wanted to make an enemy out of Canada. We have plenty of fascists up here too, but even they still want to be Canadian.
Honestly, I’d say that a lot of Trumpism’s stuff is more-or-less in line with the stuff that the John Birch Society has promoted, and that goes waaaaay back. I mean, Trump talking about annexing Canada/Panama/whatever, no — in fact, that’s one of the few cases that I think that they’d take a dead-opposite position on, since they’ve a horror of the North American Union. But there’s a lot of overlap outside that.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society
There were Ontarians running around with Trump stickers and Fuck Trudeau flags on their trucks. There were dumbasses talking about their first amendment rights as if they were American already. Canada has its share of Trumpist traitors who would be only too glad to submit their country to the emperor’s rule.
The results from the Leave Referendum in Britain, almost from one day to the next crushed in the rest of the EU any support for even just having a referendum about leaving the EU and caused pretty much all Far-Right parties to stop talking about leaving the EU.
Maybe the US being captured by a somewhat similar far-right ideology lead by equally incompetent people and which is equally antagonistic towards its neighbors (and I was in Britain during the Leave campaign and the Leave bunch were antagonistic, not merely wanting for Britain to leave the EU, but actually wanting to hurt the EU) will crush the chances of similar political ideologies in America’s neighbors.
Me being in Europe I hope this is the case and I further hope, it will crush American-style Far-Right ideas all over the World.
Shit when did Trudeau step down?
Edited to elaborate that yes he announced his resignation on January 6 and today was his last half day.
Earlier this year.
It’s aggravating that he keeps pushing it. Maybe his followers brush it off as a joke, but there was no better way to piss off Canada, for no gain. You don’t joke about this, and I don’t really think he actually jokes. Just diarrheas out the mouth and sees what sticks.
If you watch his rallies (not recommended for sanity) he does crack jokes. But it’s always punching down at someone. If something gets a response from the crowd he’ll repeat it untill it’s a dead horse and beyond.
That’s how most of his policy and sayings got started in his first term. ‘Drain the Swamp’ being the most famous example. He’s on video saying he has no idea what drain the swamp even means, but the crowd ate it up so he kept it going.
He might have randomly threw ‘invade canada’ out in the middle of a meandering speech and people cheered, and so he’s now focused on it.
The Canada shit is coming straight from Peter Navarro
I’m assuming he’s part of the project 2025 traitors. Right?
Probably Putin too. A war on the North American continent would collapse the US economy and remove the US from doing anything on the world stage for at least decades. Maybe forever.
He’s not joking. Trump’s jokes are like all fascist “jokes”: they’re threats, and the humour for them is watching you squirm, and then telling you that they’re only joking, watching your tentative relief, then threatening you again. They’re just playing with their prey.
Canada needs to be working with its allies on a defensive plan now. And the other four of the Five Eyes need to stop sharing intelligence with the USA.
The only tangible thing I can remember him saying and not actually doing it is shooting someone on 5th Avenue. “Drain the swamp” is a quaint platitude, but what it actually means is different from person to person. But i can guarantee he wants an awesome military dictator parade, he wants to own Canada, Greenland, and Panama, and while he doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but himself, he is far more willing to express and act on that with marginalized people.
He doesn’t want to own all of Panama just the canal. Also interesting that he’s not threatening to annex Mexico, wouldn’t that look even better on the map?
What is it about countries to the south that makes Trump not them to be part of the US, while with Canada he does?
🤔
Honestly I think at this point any animosity still held about the burning of the White House should be forgotten. Hell I’d even let them Canadians do it again on one condition. Make sure him and as much of his administration are inside and the doors are locked this time.
Conservatives are a threat to Canada’s existence.
There was once a literal war with guns between the US and Canada (War of 1812} and Canada won.
Things have changed a lot since then. The US has over 1 million active personnel to Canada’s <100k. If it comes to a real invasion, things would not go well.
The real question is how many Americans would be willing to participate in that invasion.
The recent film Civil War gives a good example of what could happen. There is certainly a subset of Trump supporters that would follow orders. But a large segment would likely split off and further divide the country.
Yep it will not be one side versus the other. It will be a mixed bag of violence and chaos.
Canada also has NATO.
That “half of NATO” has nuclear weapons.
The US hasn’t experienced a war on it’s own soil in living memory. Americans shit their pants when they see a couple of drones over New Jersey. And Americans don’t have the will to endure a long drawn out occupation even when there’s an ocean between them and a war. Canadians will endure it, because we would have no other choice.
This would be a war of betrayal. Trump would need to have Elon Musk purge the US military of anyone with even an once of honour and courage. Currenttly Trump is demanding Canada to defend the US border for him. The US would need to defend it’s border, and that’s a long border. You’d also need to have checkpoints in the US where soldiers will check your papers because Canadians would be trying to infiltrate the US and hit the soft targets everywhere. There would be raids on your houses to find and Canadians or any sympathizers. How willing are you do have these things happen?
Because it would be betraying an ally, the US would have zero allies in this war. Canada would get lethal aid from Europe and likely from Asia too. And Canadians know how to make an IED. Because our soldiers served in Afghanistan. Alongside the US military that’s going to betray the soldiers it fought alongside a few short years ago. And why? Because of the whims of a deranged old man? So you might have a slight morale problem.
While you’re looking at troop strengths on spreadsheet, we’re looking at the willingness of Americans to do what would need to be done for decades to succeed in occupying a neighbouring country. We only need to outlast you, while you need to have the will to watch young people coming back from the north in body bags. For decades.
The chance of the US winning a war like this is basically zero.
Given the U.S.’s recent experiences in Afghanistan and Iraq, countries far smaller and with far fewer resources (natural and industrial) than Canada, I like our (Canada’s) chances!
Plus our military may be small but it’s elite, composed of professional soldiers extremely well-versed in US (and NATO) operations and tactics. If Middle Eastern countries with largely irregular forces can give the U.S. migraines using guerrilla tactics, we can do the same with far better results.
They also had the advantage of distance. The US had to ship their resources there. Here, they just drive over the border.
I’m also Canadian, and in full-scale war, I do not like Canada’s chances.
Not to mention, it would be a stupid senseless war, much like what’s happening in Ukraine
Drive across the border… then what? Canada is vast. A million soldiers is not a lot compared to this landscape. Even if you only consider the 100 mile strip of land along the border. It’s a vast area to occupy…. and then do what with it?
Going to Ottawa and completely disrupting and dismantling the government would probably be a solid first step.
I’m sure Big Balls would be thrilled to help as he’s done in the US.
That’s not gonna work. The prime minister and the rest of the government MPs will escape before they can be captured.
That’s what Napoleon tried to do when he invaded Russia. I predict similar results.
Is this orange fucker going to let nukes go boom?
Extremely doubtful. They want our resources, not an irradiated crater.
Every time Trump brings up Canada being a state, The Canadian PM should return the favor and refer to us as South Canadian Territories and demote him to mayor instead of president. If Trump gets big mad, just say they were just joking 🙃
Or we could continue to act professional and not lower to trump’s level
Canada/UK should demand the land they once had in the US back and Mexico should demand the land the US forcefully stole from them back, simple. America should never have been viewed as a legitimate country in the first place.