stumu415@lemmy.zip
on 05 Apr 2026 23:10
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Thanks America and your elected regime for meddling in everyone’s lives. You might be shocked to learn your popularity is waning.
FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca
on 05 Apr 2026 23:53
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The sad (but unsurprising) thing is, whenever you encourage them to actually take a risk and take some kind of collective action to bring down the pedophile, they say “my job, I’m scared” when in the same paragraph, they talk about how they’re one paycheck from utter destruction.
They don’t realize that they literally have nothing to lose at this point.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 00:22
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More armchair badassery 🥱
mj_marathon@programming.dev
on 06 Apr 2026 01:19
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Its super easy to talk shit on the internet
bitjunkie@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 12:44
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jUsT dO a ReGiMe ChAnGe 🇪🇺
FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca
on 06 Apr 2026 01:31
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Like those armchairs you sat in when you could have voted and handled the pedophile in a peaceful manner. I just wish that the rest of the world wouldn’t have to suffer the consequences of your weakness and stupidity.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 12:43
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Oh right, I forgot to vote! There are ~330m of us, we’re not a monolith. I did vote. I’m not getting shot by the fucking SS because some pussy on the other end of an internet connection says there’s “more I could be doing”. Idiot.
FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca
on 06 Apr 2026 15:29
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The conversations I’m having with you should be the ones you have with your fellow countrymen.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 18:14
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Presumptuous of you to think I haven’t.
FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca
on 06 Apr 2026 19:05
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This is a good thing then, I hope that it has resulted in some action from them.
Honestly, I hope that the May 1st protest becomes the start of a sustained general strike. At this point, that’s the only thing that will work, rather than armed rebellion, which I don’t think any sane individual wants.
osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org
on 06 Apr 2026 00:59
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You literally listed the one thing we have left to lose
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Apr 2026 04:00
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Well, it’s affecting you now. What are you going to do about it?
FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca
on 06 Apr 2026 04:29
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Protect my country, should any USians try to invade.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Apr 2026 11:46
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From your armchair?
FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca
on 06 Apr 2026 12:17
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Why would I givr away my strategy to you? It’s none of your business, frankly.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
on 06 Apr 2026 06:26
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Americans are all cucks. The French would have had his head by now and rightfully so.
Mayoman68@lemmy.world
on 07 Apr 2026 19:10
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The French came millimeters from electing Marine Le Pen for fucks sake. Practically every far right party in Europe is either in government or close to it. We aren’t going to get anywhere until we realize the call is coming from inside the house of neoliberal failure, decline in living standards, and the harms of the information economy, rather than some country-specific problem.
WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social
on 06 Apr 2026 11:40
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It sounds like USAians expect everyone else to solve their problem.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Apr 2026 15:27
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Why haven’t you gotten rid of Erdogan and Orban yet?
FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca
on 06 Apr 2026 15:29
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Not my country, I’ll deal with the Nazis in mine thank you.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 18:22
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Came off as abrasive, but your point stands.
Political support for the alt-right is booming across Europe. The last thing you European folks need to do is raise your nose at the American tire fire. Deal with your own, before its too late.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 00:33
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The fact that our popularity is only now waning is a testament to our propaganda.
StillAlive@piefed.world
on 06 Apr 2026 00:40
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Yeah but have you considered Kamala Harris would’ve been equally bad?
Even worse, she might have also done the terrible crime of wearing something tan and that would have seriously damaged the reputation of the United States.
StillAlive@piefed.world
on 06 Apr 2026 03:44
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Do you know she was endorsed by the corporates??? (Ignore Palantir and Oracle standing behind the orange turd)
8oow3291d@feddit.dk
on 06 Apr 2026 01:03
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Eh. My impression is that most civilian air travel is not truly necessary. Tourism, and stuff that can be done with remote work.
I worry about stuff like food prices for the poor. Somebody not being able to fly on vacation - not so much.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone
on 06 Apr 2026 01:15
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It’s not the flights per se, but the worrying future it suggests.
nullify3112@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 01:45
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I’m thinking of a scenario of a dying family member and not being able to make it to them before they pass away.
Flying isn’t just for business or tourism. But at the same time, people have had the luxury to be able to live far in distance from their families and friends, because it might just be a short flight away.
In California, I’ve heard of people working in Silicon Valley and living in Burbank, flying every day to go to work or maybe twice a week.
That luxury needs to stop. But it should not happen all of a sudden.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Apr 2026 04:08
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It’s Europe, just take the train.
Evotech@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 04:50
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No trains to the north of Norway
Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz
on 06 Apr 2026 07:39
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Excited to report they’re finally building Rail Baltica. When it’s ready in a decade, perhaps flying will be more expensive than the train finally. Hopefully enough to offset the time lost by taking the train.
Europe isn’t all connected to the same rail network even if people online would like you to believe that.
The shitty train service is literally one of the reasons I started flying. Once you travel >300km it’s faster, more reliable (at least compared to shitty German trains) and costs about the same.
SpeedRunner@europe.pub
on 06 Apr 2026 05:42
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If anything, they should limit fuel for private jets first. If we’re talking luxury - that’s were it is.
Not with some poor old chap squished like a sardine inside a Ryanair flight.
That would do a lot more for the environment and for fuel savings.
I would love to get on a train and arrive well rested into Amsterdam overnight. Unfortunately, we’re not there yet. Hopefully this crisis might speed up more efficient means of transport and reduce tax credits for airline fuel.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
on 06 Apr 2026 06:24
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Nah, they are just gonna subsidize kerosene with tax payer money and call it a day.
poopkins@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 07:34
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roserose56@lemmy.zip
on 06 Apr 2026 07:45
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God bless USA and it’s president! For starting a real war! Should we starve? Yes we should, as the war not only brings a win, but also money!
Thanks Lord for the president you have given us!!!
Let’s all starve! /S
yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip
on 06 Apr 2026 08:07
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Good. The flight industry as it exists today must disapear.
If you price people out of short haul flights, that just means they’re even less likely to be able to afford long flights which cost money even in good times.
How else are you planning to make sure people don’t frivolously take short flights, while not banning them outright because sometimes they might be necessary?
MrFinnbean@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 15:53
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Maybe building those high speed rails and pricing them smart enough that they are cheaper so people have reason to use them.
Pros:
No check in.
Railway stations can be build closer to city centers than airports (hard in USA where rail infra is horrible).
Nicer to travel. (Restaurant cars, night cars, can take car with you if needed, can take bike with you, more leg space, more flexible (some trains stop at every station and some only in major cities) can transport both cargo and passengers at once, onboard wifi makes the travel much nicer as you can watch movies or even work)
At 1-3 hour flight the train is not even slower than flying because you dont need to spend 60min at check in and 20/60 min at shuttlebus and waiting your luggage.
You dont need to penalize airtravel. Just offer alternative service that can compete with it.
In fact today i choosed a train for my travel. Flight would have been 1 hour and would have cost 170€ + taxi to and from the airport (add the check in, luggage claiming and transport from the airport to home it would have been closer to 3 hours). I took the train. It cost 37€ + 1,50€ subway ticket, and 300m walk from the station to hotel. I could use my phone the whole time. Nobody asked me to take my belt off, i had plenty of legspace the whole time and i got better meal than in any airplane.
Yes, we’re doing that. But you still need to make flying too expensive for everyday use too. Current prediction is that when Rail Baltica is ready it’ll cost more than flying and it’ll also be way slower. It’s like a 3 hour flight to get to Germany vs more than likely all day on the train in a decade or two when it’s actually ready (deadline is 2030, which is now said to mean 2040 or later).
It’s easy for those of you in the center of the EU. The rest of us first have to fly or drive there before we can even take the train and even when the railway is built it needs to turn a profit because the project is so expensive. Meaning it can’t be as cheap as flying has been before now. There’s billions in loans to pay back after all.
MrFinnbean@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 20:33
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No shit it wont be easy and working immediadly everywhere. What is? And it does not nees to work everywhere at once. It does not need to be some macical over night build intercontinental mega structure. Simimarilly like good public transportation in cities lessens the need for private cars good inter city transportation lessens the need for cars, trucks and even flying.
If you need to go to Germany fast, fly there. But if you would have options available where you can comfortably travel to your vacation to somewhere with reasonable price you might consider other destinations too.
Also its not like it needs to be single entity bank rolling the whole railway system. Building new tracklines open whole world of cheaper transportation and locistic opportunities to whole slew of industries.
And are you dim? I just said you dont need to penalize the flight systems. Just give people other options so they dont need to default to taking a plane.
No shit it wont be easy and working immediadly everywhere. What is? And it does not nees to work everywhere at once. It does not need to be some macical over night build intercontinental mega structure. Simimarilly like good public transportation in cities lessens the need for private cars good inter city transportation lessens the need for cars, trucks and even flying.
Well the emissions need to be reduced yesterday, not in two decades.
If you need to go to Germany fast, fly there. But if you would have options available where you can comfortably travel to your vacation to somewhere with reasonable price you might consider other destinations too.
Comments above (maybe not yours necessarily) are literally saying that should NOT be an option.
Also its not like it needs to be single entity bank rolling the whole railway system. Building new tracklines open whole world of cheaper transportation and locistic opportunities to whole slew of industries.
True, but it does tend to be a few countries with support from the EU. We don’t really get private companies bank rolling the railroad, at least where I come from.
And are you dim? I just said you dont need to penalize the flight systems. Just give people other options so they dont need to default to taking a plane.
For anything longer than 1-2 hour flights, you kinda do. Trains need infrastructure for every line, whereas planes need infrastructure at the start and destination airports. You can’t have direct train connections between as many cities as we have direct flight connections, and for long routes trains currently cost more than flying because flying is way too cheap as it is. Jet fuel needs to be taxed way more.
And i live no where near central EU.
Whereabouts do you live then? In my corner, trains and planes are used for completely different routes. We already don’t use planes much if you just need to go to Latvia or an example, most people will just sit on the bus for 5 hours rather than flying 1 because the bus is cheaper.
This is literally what’s happening and you said it was good lol. Who crapped in your cereal?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
on 06 Apr 2026 15:49
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There is far too much trivial flying for business, and people are flying while avoiding better ways to transport.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz
on 06 Apr 2026 18:11
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Lol business people won’t care if the costs go up. They already pay extra to be able to sleep on their Intercontinental flights to go drinking “for business”.
It’ll be you and I who won’t be able to go on vacation anywhere that requires crossing a major body of water.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
on 07 Apr 2026 17:11
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You would think business learned during COVID that in person fly-away meetings were a waste of time and money.
They are, but business people like appearances and micromanagement even more than they like cost-cutting.
If the CEO’s private jet fuel got more expensive, just lay off some employees, duh.
bridgeburner@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 21:01
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There might be better transportation, but it is more costly. Just take germany for example, it is usually a lot more expensive to travel using long-distance trains than it is to travel by airplane. And not forgetting all the stress you get by travelling with the Deutsche Bahn cos their trains are literally only 60% of the time on time. And that’s not including cancelled trains, lol.
nlgranger@lemmy.world
on 07 Apr 2026 02:38
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it is usually a lot more expensive to travel using long-distance trains than it is to travel by airplane
That’s because kerozene is tax free contrary too every other energy source.
LodeMike@lemmy.today
on 06 Apr 2026 23:51
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Boats have gotten much faster.
And they said “as it exists today” presumably meaning how often/common it’s used.
Exactly and there’s more of us than there are billionaires, so our emissions need to be cut while they can keep on doing whatever the fuck they want. And THAT is never going to sit well with most people.
hemmetti@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 15:09
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Great news!
spitfire@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 18:43
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How is Poland self sufficient? Do we have any oil?
matlag@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Apr 2026 19:35
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Maybe less traffic so with comparable reserves, you last longer?
spitfire@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 2026 21:58
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I’d bet on good logistics, big
processing capacity (planes don’t run on crude oil;)) and diversified sources?
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
on 07 Apr 2026 00:30
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Reduce EU domestic flights and use the high speed rail network for the short to medium distances.
BigMacHole@thelemmy.club
on 07 Apr 2026 01:13
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Have they Tried APPEASING Trump even More to Convince him to END the War? BABYING Trump seems to HELP a Lot!
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
on 07 Apr 2026 02:06
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A whole 40 flights? I think you will be surprised to learn that during the Long Emergency that humanity will face, we’ll be lucky to have 40 flights a year, total for the planet!
Treczoks@lemmy.world
on 07 Apr 2026 18:55
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So we might get more sleep? Good.
Background: since we moved here, the local airport expanded more and more. They got permission to fly between 22:00 and 06:00 against a lot of local resistance, and host a load of old and extra noisy freight planes.
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Thanks America and your elected regime for meddling in everyone’s lives. You might be shocked to learn your popularity is waning.
The sad (but unsurprising) thing is, whenever you encourage them to actually take a risk and take some kind of collective action to bring down the pedophile, they say “my job, I’m scared” when in the same paragraph, they talk about how they’re one paycheck from utter destruction.
They don’t realize that they literally have nothing to lose at this point.
More armchair badassery 🥱
Its super easy to talk shit on the internet
jUsT dO a ReGiMe ChAnGe 🇪🇺
Like those armchairs you sat in when you could have voted and handled the pedophile in a peaceful manner. I just wish that the rest of the world wouldn’t have to suffer the consequences of your weakness and stupidity.
Oh right, I forgot to vote! There are ~330m of us, we’re not a monolith. I did vote. I’m not getting shot by the fucking SS because some pussy on the other end of an internet connection says there’s “more I could be doing”. Idiot.
The conversations I’m having with you should be the ones you have with your fellow countrymen.
Presumptuous of you to think I haven’t.
This is a good thing then, I hope that it has resulted in some action from them.
Honestly, I hope that the May 1st protest becomes the start of a sustained general strike. At this point, that’s the only thing that will work, rather than armed rebellion, which I don’t think any sane individual wants.
You literally listed the one thing we have left to lose
Well, it’s affecting you now. What are you going to do about it?
Protect my country, should any USians try to invade.
From your armchair?
Why would I givr away my strategy to you? It’s none of your business, frankly.
Americans are all cucks. The French would have had his head by now and rightfully so.
The French came millimeters from electing Marine Le Pen for fucks sake. Practically every far right party in Europe is either in government or close to it. We aren’t going to get anywhere until we realize the call is coming from inside the house of neoliberal failure, decline in living standards, and the harms of the information economy, rather than some country-specific problem.
It sounds like USAians expect everyone else to solve their problem.
Why haven’t you gotten rid of Erdogan and Orban yet?
Not my country, I’ll deal with the Nazis in mine thank you.
Came off as abrasive, but your point stands.
Political support for the alt-right is booming across Europe. The last thing you European folks need to do is raise your nose at the American tire fire. Deal with your own, before its too late.
The fact that our popularity is only now waning is a testament to our propaganda.
Yeah but have you considered Kamala Harris would’ve been equally bad?
Even worse, she might have also done the terrible crime of wearing something tan and that would have seriously damaged the reputation of the United States.
Do you know she was endorsed by the corporates??? (Ignore Palantir and Oracle standing behind the orange turd)
Don’t forget about the laugh.
Eh. My impression is that most civilian air travel is not truly necessary. Tourism, and stuff that can be done with remote work.
I worry about stuff like food prices for the poor. Somebody not being able to fly on vacation - not so much.
It’s not the flights per se, but the worrying future it suggests.
I’m thinking of a scenario of a dying family member and not being able to make it to them before they pass away.
Flying isn’t just for business or tourism. But at the same time, people have had the luxury to be able to live far in distance from their families and friends, because it might just be a short flight away.
In California, I’ve heard of people working in Silicon Valley and living in Burbank, flying every day to go to work or maybe twice a week.
That luxury needs to stop. But it should not happen all of a sudden.
It’s Europe, just take the train.
No trains to the north of Norway
Then use your electric cars.
Yeah you probably don’t wanna do that. It’s far and cold and charging stations are limited
Yes, very soon. They’re building it now.
Excited to report they’re finally building Rail Baltica. When it’s ready in a decade, perhaps flying will be more expensive than the train finally. Hopefully enough to offset the time lost by taking the train.
Europe isn’t all connected to the same rail network even if people online would like you to believe that.
The shitty train service is literally one of the reasons I started flying. Once you travel >300km it’s faster, more reliable (at least compared to shitty German trains) and costs about the same.
He did say most
If anything, they should limit fuel for private jets first. If we’re talking luxury - that’s were it is.
Not with some poor old chap squished like a sardine inside a Ryanair flight.
That would do a lot more for the environment and for fuel savings.
I would love to get on a train and arrive well rested into Amsterdam overnight. Unfortunately, we’re not there yet. Hopefully this crisis might speed up more efficient means of transport and reduce tax credits for airline fuel.
Nah, they are just gonna subsidize kerosene with tax payer money and call it a day.
They already do.
I can’t build a wind turbine in the middle of the sea with remote work. I need to physically be there and there is usually half way across the planet.
I did say “most”. The cheap charter tourism by airplane is what is probably not compatible with net zero carbon, as needed to stop climate change.
It’s always the unexpected things that fight climate change.
Obligatory fuck politico
Remember COVID?
Please begin to restrict fuel for private jets, even if it would be symbolic
Edit : thanks for correction
symbolic
God bless USA and it’s president! For starting a real war! Should we starve? Yes we should, as the war not only brings a win, but also money! Thanks Lord for the president you have given us!!! Let’s all starve! /S
Good. The flight industry as it exists today must disapear.
Yes, let billionaires fly and the rest of us should stay on the continent we’re born on.
Most flights are short haul flights lasting from 1 to 3 hours. Commersial flights could very well be replaced by highspeed trains.
Changing how commersial flights are done does not mean “lets make it impossible for normal people to fly”
If you price people out of short haul flights, that just means they’re even less likely to be able to afford long flights which cost money even in good times.
When i said that?
How else are you planning to make sure people don’t frivolously take short flights, while not banning them outright because sometimes they might be necessary?
Maybe building those high speed rails and pricing them smart enough that they are cheaper so people have reason to use them.
Pros: No check in. Railway stations can be build closer to city centers than airports (hard in USA where rail infra is horrible). Nicer to travel. (Restaurant cars, night cars, can take car with you if needed, can take bike with you, more leg space, more flexible (some trains stop at every station and some only in major cities) can transport both cargo and passengers at once, onboard wifi makes the travel much nicer as you can watch movies or even work)
At 1-3 hour flight the train is not even slower than flying because you dont need to spend 60min at check in and 20/60 min at shuttlebus and waiting your luggage.
You dont need to penalize airtravel. Just offer alternative service that can compete with it.
In fact today i choosed a train for my travel. Flight would have been 1 hour and would have cost 170€ + taxi to and from the airport (add the check in, luggage claiming and transport from the airport to home it would have been closer to 3 hours). I took the train. It cost 37€ + 1,50€ subway ticket, and 300m walk from the station to hotel. I could use my phone the whole time. Nobody asked me to take my belt off, i had plenty of legspace the whole time and i got better meal than in any airplane.
Cons: Somebody needs to build the railways.
Yes, we’re doing that. But you still need to make flying too expensive for everyday use too. Current prediction is that when Rail Baltica is ready it’ll cost more than flying and it’ll also be way slower. It’s like a 3 hour flight to get to Germany vs more than likely all day on the train in a decade or two when it’s actually ready (deadline is 2030, which is now said to mean 2040 or later).
It’s easy for those of you in the center of the EU. The rest of us first have to fly or drive there before we can even take the train and even when the railway is built it needs to turn a profit because the project is so expensive. Meaning it can’t be as cheap as flying has been before now. There’s billions in loans to pay back after all.
No shit it wont be easy and working immediadly everywhere. What is? And it does not nees to work everywhere at once. It does not need to be some macical over night build intercontinental mega structure. Simimarilly like good public transportation in cities lessens the need for private cars good inter city transportation lessens the need for cars, trucks and even flying.
If you need to go to Germany fast, fly there. But if you would have options available where you can comfortably travel to your vacation to somewhere with reasonable price you might consider other destinations too.
Also its not like it needs to be single entity bank rolling the whole railway system. Building new tracklines open whole world of cheaper transportation and locistic opportunities to whole slew of industries.
And are you dim? I just said you dont need to penalize the flight systems. Just give people other options so they dont need to default to taking a plane.
And i live no where near central EU.
Well the emissions need to be reduced yesterday, not in two decades.
Comments above (maybe not yours necessarily) are literally saying that should NOT be an option.
True, but it does tend to be a few countries with support from the EU. We don’t really get private companies bank rolling the railroad, at least where I come from.
For anything longer than 1-2 hour flights, you kinda do. Trains need infrastructure for every line, whereas planes need infrastructure at the start and destination airports. You can’t have direct train connections between as many cities as we have direct flight connections, and for long routes trains currently cost more than flying because flying is way too cheap as it is. Jet fuel needs to be taxed way more.
Whereabouts do you live then? In my corner, trains and planes are used for completely different routes. We already don’t use planes much if you just need to go to Latvia or an example, most people will just sit on the bus for 5 hours rather than flying 1 because the bus is cheaper.
This is literally what’s happening and you said it was good lol. Who crapped in your cereal?
There is far too much trivial flying for business, and people are flying while avoiding better ways to transport.
Lol business people won’t care if the costs go up. They already pay extra to be able to sleep on their Intercontinental flights to go drinking “for business”.
It’ll be you and I who won’t be able to go on vacation anywhere that requires crossing a major body of water.
You would think business learned during COVID that in person fly-away meetings were a waste of time and money.
They are, but business people like appearances and micromanagement even more than they like cost-cutting.
If the CEO’s private jet fuel got more expensive, just lay off some employees, duh.
There might be better transportation, but it is more costly. Just take germany for example, it is usually a lot more expensive to travel using long-distance trains than it is to travel by airplane. And not forgetting all the stress you get by travelling with the Deutsche Bahn cos their trains are literally only 60% of the time on time. And that’s not including cancelled trains, lol.
That’s because kerozene is tax free contrary too every other energy source.
Boats have gotten much faster.
And they said “as it exists today” presumably meaning how often/common it’s used.
Don’t the shipping and cruise industries also get constant flak for their emissions?
Yes. Biden made them burn more efficient fuel.
Emissions reductions don’t really care from which class they came from.
Exactly and there’s more of us than there are billionaires, so our emissions need to be cut while they can keep on doing whatever the fuck they want. And THAT is never going to sit well with most people.
Great news!
How is Poland self sufficient? Do we have any oil?
Maybe less traffic so with comparable reserves, you last longer?
I’d bet on good logistics, big processing capacity (planes don’t run on crude oil;)) and diversified sources?
Reduce EU domestic flights and use the high speed rail network for the short to medium distances.
Have they Tried APPEASING Trump even More to Convince him to END the War? BABYING Trump seems to HELP a Lot!
A whole 40 flights? I think you will be surprised to learn that during the Long Emergency that humanity will face, we’ll be lucky to have 40 flights a year, total for the planet!
Trump fixes the climate change problem.
So we might get more sleep? Good.
Background: since we moved here, the local airport expanded more and more. They got permission to fly between 22:00 and 06:00 against a lot of local resistance, and host a load of old and extra noisy freight planes.