Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus
on 14 Apr 16:34
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Even Moscow proclaimed they were never friends with Orban lol
But it’s the same issue Biden faced where he couldn’t even trust the Secret Service, or Germany after WW2 - you can’t really discern who was just keeping their head down and who was a true believer, except if there is material evidence. Magyar already announced that he will partner up with EU institutions to deal with the widespread corruption, and i think that outside view will be a valuable help it attaining that goal.
Maybe it would be easier to dissolve the state and start from a clean slate - but even then you couldn’t be sure that the people you take in for their know-how aren’t guilty as well, potentially setting yourself up for a few not so nice surprises.
HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social
on 14 Apr 16:39
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same issue Biden faced where he couldn’t even trust [….] Germany after WW2
I get what you are saying but the way I read this was hilarious. :D
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus
on 14 Apr 16:48
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Lol Biden is old, but not THAT old
HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social
on 14 Apr 16:52
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Perhaps 3 year old Joe was very suspicious of ze Germans!
First of all, Magyar's cabinet and government doesn't take over until 1 June. The current government now takes the role of a transitional government (they're dealing with day to day operations but no major changes, no new legislation, etc.), and now the waiting on the president of the republic begins. Once the president approves of the new government based on the election results, Magyar's government can form and take over the state ministries and media.
The real issue will be KESMA, a privately held media conglomerate that was funneled a lot of state money to buy up radio and TV stations, online news portals, newspapers of all kinds (from the freely handed out Metropol newspapers through the local daily news and weekly/monthly magazines), and so on. Some 95% of all Hungarian media is within this conglomerate, privately held by Orbán friendly people, guaranteed to be used as opposition propaganda pieces.
Getting the state media back into a more neutral position is but the first battle of an uphill war.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Apr 15:06
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At his press conference yesterday, Magyar was extensively asked about his views on Russia and called for “pragmatic”relations between the countries (Europe Live, Monday).
Hmmm
He argued that Hungary “cannot change geography” as it still relied on energy supplies from Russia, even as he suggested he would push to diversify these sources in the future.
Well, yeah. And the reason Ukraine has been so (justifiably) obstinate about wrecking energy supplies that go to Hungary is because Orban was refusing outright to explore alternatives, with predictable consequences.
I think it’s too soon to tell, tbh, but it’ll surely be an improvement from Orban - though that is really not a high bar.
Literally anything is an improvement from the kleptocracy of Orbán.
I don't have high hopes as Magyar is still a center-right candidate who to date refuses to address even the possibility of rolling back the anti-LGBTQ laws FIDESZ forced through, let alone the various other issues, but nonetheless it's an improvement.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus
on 14 Apr 16:42
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There is the hypothesis floating around that he didn’t say anything about LGBTQ in general to make him palatable to as many voters as possible, which was a success. But he seems a lot more socially liberal than Orban, and wants to position closer to the EU, so a normalization and realignment of the laws with the larger EU Space is what i would expect, probably after restoring a functioning judiciary which he will need to fix the widespread corruption.
Yeah I get it, especially with Orbán's constant demonisation of the LGBTQ community, labeling them paedophiles, while his own people are doing that very thing... it's almost like just because you have two closeted gay friends and one goes to drug fuelled orgies and the other diddles kids, that doesn't generally apply to the entire gay community, my dude.
So yeah I understand why he'd avoid it during campaign period, but it would've taken him nothing to state during that three hour journo event that he will be looking to ensure equal treatment for minorities...
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus
on 15 Apr 17:09
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Yeah, he’s still in campaign mode, and that won’t change until power has officially transferred over. Also, since the media landscape is still very much in Orbans hands, he probably wanted to avoid giving them ammunition. To be honest, this is the hardest part to fix - i don’t have many ideas except of nationalizing all of Orbans media - which is more than 90% - and then reprivatization afterwards.
These leaders don’t operate in a vacuum. Majority of hungarians are very conservative and addressing LGBT issues would make it harder for him to get elected.
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well it’s his state media now so
Formally not yet, but lots of people are probably lining up to show that they aren’t really pro-Orban.
Is there going to be a lot of “I never really liked the guy” now? I hope people don’t fall for that bullshit.
There always are when a politician had iron grip on power and lost support very fast.
Yeah. Seems to be a human thing to only focus on the leader and forget all the enablers and supporters of the leader.
It's called populism.
Even Moscow proclaimed they were never friends with Orban lol
But it’s the same issue Biden faced where he couldn’t even trust the Secret Service, or Germany after WW2 - you can’t really discern who was just keeping their head down and who was a true believer, except if there is material evidence. Magyar already announced that he will partner up with EU institutions to deal with the widespread corruption, and i think that outside view will be a valuable help it attaining that goal.
Maybe it would be easier to dissolve the state and start from a clean slate - but even then you couldn’t be sure that the people you take in for their know-how aren’t guilty as well, potentially setting yourself up for a few not so nice surprises.
I get what you are saying but the way I read this was hilarious. :D
Lol Biden is old, but not THAT old
Perhaps 3 year old Joe was very suspicious of ze Germans!
Not really.
First of all, Magyar's cabinet and government doesn't take over until 1 June. The current government now takes the role of a transitional government (they're dealing with day to day operations but no major changes, no new legislation, etc.), and now the waiting on the president of the republic begins. Once the president approves of the new government based on the election results, Magyar's government can form and take over the state ministries and media.
The real issue will be KESMA, a privately held media conglomerate that was funneled a lot of state money to buy up radio and TV stations, online news portals, newspapers of all kinds (from the freely handed out Metropol newspapers through the local daily news and weekly/monthly magazines), and so on. Some 95% of all Hungarian media is within this conglomerate, privately held by Orbán friendly people, guaranteed to be used as opposition propaganda pieces.
Getting the state media back into a more neutral position is but the first battle of an uphill war.
Hmmm
Well, yeah. And the reason Ukraine has been so (justifiably) obstinate about wrecking energy supplies that go to Hungary is because Orban was refusing outright to explore alternatives, with predictable consequences.
I think it’s too soon to tell, tbh, but it’ll surely be an improvement from Orban - though that is really not a high bar.
Literally anything is an improvement from the kleptocracy of Orbán.
I don't have high hopes as Magyar is still a center-right candidate who to date refuses to address even the possibility of rolling back the anti-LGBTQ laws FIDESZ forced through, let alone the various other issues, but nonetheless it's an improvement.
There is the hypothesis floating around that he didn’t say anything about LGBTQ in general to make him palatable to as many voters as possible, which was a success. But he seems a lot more socially liberal than Orban, and wants to position closer to the EU, so a normalization and realignment of the laws with the larger EU Space is what i would expect, probably after restoring a functioning judiciary which he will need to fix the widespread corruption.
Yeah I get it, especially with Orbán's constant demonisation of the LGBTQ community, labeling them paedophiles, while his own people are doing that very thing... it's almost like just because you have two closeted gay friends and one goes to drug fuelled orgies and the other diddles kids, that doesn't generally apply to the entire gay community, my dude.
So yeah I understand why he'd avoid it during campaign period, but it would've taken him nothing to state during that three hour journo event that he will be looking to ensure equal treatment for minorities...
Yeah, he’s still in campaign mode, and that won’t change until power has officially transferred over. Also, since the media landscape is still very much in Orbans hands, he probably wanted to avoid giving them ammunition. To be honest, this is the hardest part to fix - i don’t have many ideas except of nationalizing all of Orbans media - which is more than 90% - and then reprivatization afterwards.
These leaders don’t operate in a vacuum. Majority of hungarians are very conservative and addressing LGBT issues would make it harder for him to get elected.