MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 17:44
nextcollapse
Newsweek - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for Newsweek:
> MBFC: Right-Center - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: Mostly Factual - United States of America
> Wikipedia about this source
I know a good number of North Koreans would love to defect if there weren’t going to be consequences for their families back home. Put those people in a situation where they can just disappear and have it explained as being honorably slain in combat? Seems like a golden opportunity if the country they defect to doesn’t just send them back.
PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 16 Oct 18:44
nextcollapse
I did actually meet a North Korean once when I spent a fair bit of time in Seoul during a study abroad program, but she “defected” as a child (read: smuggled into the South via China by some Christian group) and didn’t really have much recollection of what life in the North was even like. Definitely not many though!
AbidanYre@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 20:54
nextcollapse
One of my parents was in North Korea multiple times in the 80s as a tour guide from the Eastern Block, I remember hearing the stories about it when I was a child.
Cameras being taken, poverty housing blocked off with walls, fake buildings and rooms, US soldiers watching them from the other side of the DMZ “negotiation building”.
I always took these stories for granted, and didn’t realize for a long time how special and unique these experiences were. When I tell my Western EU colleagues they always drop their jaws.
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Oct 19:18
nextcollapse
Ukraine needs to kill fewer N. Koreans now. That’s a plus.
massive_bereavement@fedia.io
on 17 Oct 01:27
collapse
I misread the headline and thought they would be sending more regular troops. Well this is both parts expected and indeed good news.
dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 18:42
nextcollapse
I’ll file this under “Most Easily Predicted Outcome.”
DaddleDew@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 19:01
nextcollapse
Imagine living in a 1950’s time bubble. You are being constantly told through propaganda that your military force is cutting edge and that it can easily overwhelm any enemy.
Then you are being sent to fight on a battlefield where everyone has better gear than you, where you are confronted to weapons that are so far advanced beyond anything that you’ve ever seen they might as well be magic. Then you see said weapons completely obliterate your comrades without giving you a chance to even see the enemy who operates them.
You only obeyed so far because you feared what your government might do to you if you didn’t. Now you’ve found something that you fear even more.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Oct 19:03
nextcollapse
Novel? As in a book of fiction? This is happening right now. I am sure some video of this will come out of this sad story and maybe in a few years some of these people who surrendered will be able to write their own story first hand. (I am assuming they will not want to go back to nk).
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Oct 03:18
collapse
Yeah, a fictional account of a current situation is pretty preposterous, you’re right. Dunno what I was thinking.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Oct 01:16
collapse
I threw it into ChatGPT, then asked them to change the name from Henry to one common in Korea.
In-soo had always believed the stories. The glossy propaganda reels, the posters of steely-eyed soldiers, and the speeches from government officials all painted the same picture: his country’s military was unmatched, unstoppable. Though the world had advanced, In-soo’s nation remained locked in a past vision of itself, proudly touting its military might, using technology that hadn’t evolved much beyond the 1950s. Tanks, planes, and rifles that his father might’ve used were still standard issue. It was enough, they said, to overwhelm any enemy.
But when they arrived on the battlefield, the illusion shattered.
The air was thick with smoke and dust. In-soo clutched his rifle, a relic from an era that felt like ancient history. He could hear the hum of something—machines, weapons, drones? He didn’t know. The enemy was out there, but they remained invisible, their presence felt only through strange, high-pitched frequencies and flashes of light. He had been trained for combat in a conventional sense, but this wasn’t war as he understood it.
A blinding flash erupted in the distance. Seconds later, half his squad was gone, reduced to nothing more than ash. No gunfire, no warning—just a blip, and they were vaporized. In-soo froze. This wasn’t warfare. It was annihilation. The weapons being used against them were so advanced they were beyond his comprehension, like something out of a nightmare. Weapons that didn’t give him a chance to even see who—or what—was operating them.
“Stay together!” his commanding officer shouted, but it didn’t matter. How could they stay together when they couldn’t even see what was killing them? Panic surged through the ranks. Soldiers who had once stood tall, believing in their nation’s invincibility, now scattered in terror, desperate to survive.
In-soo crouched behind a rusted piece of machinery, gripping his rifle tightly, though he knew it was useless. He had been afraid of disobeying orders, terrified of what his government would do to him if he didn’t serve. But now, that fear felt insignificant. The enemy’s technology wasn’t just more advanced—it was like magic, bending the very rules of reality.
He glanced at the scorched earth where his comrades once stood, feeling a deep, gnawing helplessness. They weren’t soldiers anymore. They were bodies—disappearing in a war where they never stood a chance. In-soo had always feared the consequences of deserting or refusing to fight, but now, a new terror gripped him: the realization that he was facing something far worse than his government’s threats.
The certainty that had once bolstered him was gone. All that remained was the fear of an enemy he couldn’t see, couldn’t fight, and couldn’t even begin to understand.
That’s actually pretty good! Sure, lots of tweaking to be done, but pretty good overall.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Oct 03:20
collapse
It’s pretty alright! Too on the nose with the descriptions at first but that improved a bit as it went. I think I might give this a go myself tomorrow!
An Outside Context Problem was the sort of thing most civilizations encountered just once, and which they tended to encounter rather in the same way a sentence encountered a full stop.
What’s pathetic about it? Cannon fodder is cannon fodder. They can hold a rifle just as well as any other person, and they can use it to kill. Acting like getting foreign troops helping you is somehow beneath you in a war is insane
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
on 16 Oct 23:02
nextcollapse
Sadly, this.
Fictional, but
ONE OUT OF TWO GETS RIFLE. THE ONE WITHOUT, FOLLOWS HIM! WHEN THE ONE WITH THE RIFLE GETS KILLED, THE ONE WHO IS FOLLOWING PICKS UP THE RIFLE AND SHOOTS!
moncharleskey@lemmy.zip
on 16 Oct 23:42
nextcollapse
Probably my third favorite Jude Law roll.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Oct 02:32
collapse
I would say his character in A.I. would be my second favorite. Maybe not the greatest film, but he did a great job in his role. #1 would definitely be I ♡ Huckabees. Such a great movie, and great cast too.
iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com
on 17 Oct 13:14
collapse
Is this fictional? I thought that this was actually true from the Social Union in WWII. Maybe in the battle of Stalingrad?
I’m just saying there isn’t anything further down in the barrel.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 20:46
collapse
Its TAU TACTICS!
LIKE KROOT! with significantly less survival rates and effectiveness which is damn impressive
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Oct 22:47
collapse
Also the Norks cant eat their enemies and gain their traits, at least I think they cant. Can I setup a test site? I just need a Nork, a MAGA, and a hacksaw.
Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 23:38
collapse
You don’t want that. A MAGA Nork would become he next Republican nominee
cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml
on 16 Oct 20:12
nextcollapse
I’m not sure I trust any of these claims. The sources are all Ukrainian which means they are highly likely to be war propaganda at worst and heavily biased at best. No matter what anyone’s preconceptions about North Korea or Russia may be, independent verification is needed to know if any this is true.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee
on 16 Oct 20:15
nextcollapse
Lemmy.ml attacking the Kremlin’s enemies, what a surprise.
No, they’re pointing out the obvious. Newsweek isn’t what it used to be, and the claims are all sourced from Ukraine, with no external on the record confirmations, yet.
Ukrainian media has a moral obligation to service the propaganda needs of the war. That’s neither good, nor bad, that’s just a part of being in an existential war for survival. I don’t blame them for it, and I’m certainly not bashing them for, I’m just pointing out reality.
I can’t speak for the person you’re responding to, but I have no trouble understanding why North Korea would send thousands of support personnel to Ukraine as the logistical tail to support their weapons platforms. Western nations have been doing the same thing inside Ukraine.
Maybe the story is true, it’s possible. But I’m going to need to see better sources provided then a Kyiv Post article citing unnamed Western officials or Newsweek using Ukrainian articles as their source information.
That’s it. If anything, it’s more unreasonable to not be skeptical of early reports coming from any war zone, whether you want to believe them, or not.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Oct 21:45
nextcollapse
Can I just downvote them anyway for being from .ml? (kidding)
My first account was on Lemmy.ml, because that was the main one recommended or showing up, during the first Reddit exodus.
I’ve encountered enough reasonable and well intentioned Lemmy.ml users to not assume the worst, even if I get where you’re coming from.
The same cannot be said for hexabear.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Oct 21:58
collapse
Yeah no, there’s plenty of .ml users who have no idea of the political leanings of the server, I agree. Which is why I made it very clear I was kidding. I’m still keeping the instance blocked though.
Noobnarski@lemmy.world
on 16 Oct 23:01
nextcollapse
At least what Ukraine is claiming is somewhat based in reality compared to what russia claims.
According to russian sources, russia has destroyed some vehicle and plane types in higher numbers than ukraine ever had, yet Ukraine still has some.
Nothing you said inferred credibility unto Russian sources, I just wanted to add my take on the bigger picture.
Which is, that Ukrainian reporting is probably not 100% correct and there probably are inflations somewhere (like you said), it is still bound to reality, while Russian reporting lost its touch with reality on day one.
I guess its a knee jerk reaction to all the tankies defending russia lol
The core of what they say is truthful, just like most propaganda. Why bother pointing it out? Why automatically doubt Ukraine, calling them very biased “at best”?
Because it’s designed to undermine Ukraine and support the Kremlin and Pyong Yang.
pandapoo@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Oct 23:12
nextcollapse
I can’t speak to that users motivations. I can only say that initial reporting out of any warzone should be viewed skeptically. I’ve already provided my rationale as to why, but ultimately, it’s a personal choice.
I’d rather file away first reports as unconfirmed rumors, or incomplete assessments, until I’ve seen additional reporting from other sources I trust.
Maybe that user really is what you said they are, or maybe they just suck at articulating the point that I was making. I don’t know.
True, and Russia is always the one lying, it’s their own strategy, Ukraine numbers are backed by CiA and UK intelligence right after, they actually lose support if they start lying, not Russia they only have lies, so fuck .ml
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
on 17 Oct 00:11
nextcollapse
I get your point, and validation is key always. But it’s a good little story and I like the idea of people leaving North Korea if it is really as bad as they claim (without independent validation).
I dunno the NK troops at least appear to have boots, so coming back and telling stories of how the ‘western’ Russian troops don’t even have shoes or ammo is probably decent propaganda for the regime.
threaded - newest
Newsweek - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for Newsweek:
> MBFC: Right-Center - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: Mostly Factual - United States of America
> Wikipedia about this source
Search topics on Ground.News
https://www.newsweek.com/north-korean-troops-deserting-ukraine-frontline-hours-after-arrival-report-1969726
Media Bias Fact Check | bot support
Well that’s one way to escape North Korea I guess.
<img alt="" src="https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/7c0b3d4f-654d-4ae0-b781-8537f8451247.png">
I want to know if they screamed "FREEEEEDOM!!" while doing it.
Probably but I don’t think they screamed in English.
Liberrrrtad!
I know a good number of North Koreans would love to defect if there weren’t going to be consequences for their families back home. Put those people in a situation where they can just disappear and have it explained as being honorably slain in combat? Seems like a golden opportunity if the country they defect to doesn’t just send them back.
How do you know so many North Koreans?
Hah, got me there.
I did actually meet a North Korean once when I spent a fair bit of time in Seoul during a study abroad program, but she “defected” as a child (read: smuggled into the South via China by some Christian group) and didn’t really have much recollection of what life in the North was even like. Definitely not many though!
One is more than a lot of us can claim.
One of my parents was in North Korea multiple times in the 80s as a tour guide from the Eastern Block, I remember hearing the stories about it when I was a child.
Cameras being taken, poverty housing blocked off with walls, fake buildings and rooms, US soldiers watching them from the other side of the DMZ “negotiation building”.
I always took these stories for granted, and didn’t realize for a long time how special and unique these experiences were. When I tell my Western EU colleagues they always drop their jaws.
Nice try, Kim!
I’m a quarter NK. All the NKs I know are dead tho
Hi Kim, me and my whole family wants to def … go to Ukraine and die for you!!
The whole family!
The best news.
How come?
I’ve been deployed to the woods by a country I dislike, to a country I don’t understand under the command of a country I also dislike
…guess I’ll just leave, then.
Ukraine needs to kill fewer N. Koreans now. That’s a plus.
I misread the headline and thought they would be sending more regular troops. Well this is both parts expected and indeed good news.
I’ll file this under “Most Easily Predicted Outcome.”
Imagine living in a 1950’s time bubble. You are being constantly told through propaganda that your military force is cutting edge and that it can easily overwhelm any enemy.
Then you are being sent to fight on a battlefield where everyone has better gear than you, where you are confronted to weapons that are so far advanced beyond anything that you’ve ever seen they might as well be magic. Then you see said weapons completely obliterate your comrades without giving you a chance to even see the enemy who operates them.
You only obeyed so far because you feared what your government might do to you if you didn’t. Now you’ve found something that you fear even more.
Please write this novel.
Novel? As in a book of fiction? This is happening right now. I am sure some video of this will come out of this sad story and maybe in a few years some of these people who surrendered will be able to write their own story first hand. (I am assuming they will not want to go back to nk).
Yeah, a fictional account of a current situation is pretty preposterous, you’re right. Dunno what I was thinking.
I threw it into ChatGPT, then asked them to change the name from Henry to one common in Korea.
In-soo had always believed the stories. The glossy propaganda reels, the posters of steely-eyed soldiers, and the speeches from government officials all painted the same picture: his country’s military was unmatched, unstoppable. Though the world had advanced, In-soo’s nation remained locked in a past vision of itself, proudly touting its military might, using technology that hadn’t evolved much beyond the 1950s. Tanks, planes, and rifles that his father might’ve used were still standard issue. It was enough, they said, to overwhelm any enemy.
But when they arrived on the battlefield, the illusion shattered.
The air was thick with smoke and dust. In-soo clutched his rifle, a relic from an era that felt like ancient history. He could hear the hum of something—machines, weapons, drones? He didn’t know. The enemy was out there, but they remained invisible, their presence felt only through strange, high-pitched frequencies and flashes of light. He had been trained for combat in a conventional sense, but this wasn’t war as he understood it.
A blinding flash erupted in the distance. Seconds later, half his squad was gone, reduced to nothing more than ash. No gunfire, no warning—just a blip, and they were vaporized. In-soo froze. This wasn’t warfare. It was annihilation. The weapons being used against them were so advanced they were beyond his comprehension, like something out of a nightmare. Weapons that didn’t give him a chance to even see who—or what—was operating them.
“Stay together!” his commanding officer shouted, but it didn’t matter. How could they stay together when they couldn’t even see what was killing them? Panic surged through the ranks. Soldiers who had once stood tall, believing in their nation’s invincibility, now scattered in terror, desperate to survive.
In-soo crouched behind a rusted piece of machinery, gripping his rifle tightly, though he knew it was useless. He had been afraid of disobeying orders, terrified of what his government would do to him if he didn’t serve. But now, that fear felt insignificant. The enemy’s technology wasn’t just more advanced—it was like magic, bending the very rules of reality.
He glanced at the scorched earth where his comrades once stood, feeling a deep, gnawing helplessness. They weren’t soldiers anymore. They were bodies—disappearing in a war where they never stood a chance. In-soo had always feared the consequences of deserting or refusing to fight, but now, a new terror gripped him: the realization that he was facing something far worse than his government’s threats.
The certainty that had once bolstered him was gone. All that remained was the fear of an enemy he couldn’t see, couldn’t fight, and couldn’t even begin to understand.
That’s actually pretty good! Sure, lots of tweaking to be done, but pretty good overall.
It’s pretty alright! Too on the nose with the descriptions at first but that improved a bit as it went. I think I might give this a go myself tomorrow!
imagine them seeing the drone for the first time.
Hearing
For the first and last time 😟
Hey (pointing skywards), is that a dro…
🌻
Not sure they even hear them. I’ve watched 1,000 Russians die, clueless anything was targeting them.
Some, it depends how high they are. I’ve also seen a lot of em being chased. It’s good for the lulz.
You’re also used to standing around guarding a border all the time, not experiencing actual combat at all.
And by “guarding the border” it really means “shooting anyone trying to escape”
How pathetic does Russia have to be to be bringing NORTH KOREAN troops into the war. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so tragic.
What’s pathetic about it? Cannon fodder is cannon fodder. They can hold a rifle just as well as any other person, and they can use it to kill. Acting like getting foreign troops helping you is somehow beneath you in a war is insane
Sadly, this.
Fictional, but
Probably my third favorite Jude Law roll.
1 and 2 are?
I would say his character in A.I. would be my second favorite. Maybe not the greatest film, but he did a great job in his role. #1 would definitely be I ♡ Huckabees. Such a great movie, and great cast too.
Is this fictional? I thought that this was actually true from the Social Union in WWII. Maybe in the battle of Stalingrad?
I’m just saying there isn’t anything further down in the barrel.
Its TAU TACTICS!
LIKE KROOT! with significantly less survival rates and effectiveness which is damn impressive
Also the Norks cant eat their enemies and gain their traits, at least I think they cant. Can I setup a test site? I just need a Nork, a MAGA, and a hacksaw.
You don’t want that. A MAGA Nork would become he next Republican nominee
I’m not sure I trust any of these claims. The sources are all Ukrainian which means they are highly likely to be war propaganda at worst and heavily biased at best. No matter what anyone’s preconceptions about North Korea or Russia may be, independent verification is needed to know if any this is true.
Lemmy.ml attacking the Kremlin’s enemies, what a surprise.
No, they’re pointing out the obvious. Newsweek isn’t what it used to be, and the claims are all sourced from Ukraine, with no external on the record confirmations, yet.
Ukrainian media has a moral obligation to service the propaganda needs of the war. That’s neither good, nor bad, that’s just a part of being in an existential war for survival. I don’t blame them for it, and I’m certainly not bashing them for, I’m just pointing out reality.
I can’t speak for the person you’re responding to, but I have no trouble understanding why North Korea would send thousands of support personnel to Ukraine as the logistical tail to support their weapons platforms. Western nations have been doing the same thing inside Ukraine.
Maybe the story is true, it’s possible. But I’m going to need to see better sources provided then a Kyiv Post article citing unnamed Western officials or Newsweek using Ukrainian articles as their source information.
That’s it. If anything, it’s more unreasonable to not be skeptical of early reports coming from any war zone, whether you want to believe them, or not.
Can I just downvote them anyway for being from .ml? (kidding)
My first account was on Lemmy.ml, because that was the main one recommended or showing up, during the first Reddit exodus.
I’ve encountered enough reasonable and well intentioned Lemmy.ml users to not assume the worst, even if I get where you’re coming from.
The same cannot be said for hexabear.
Yeah no, there’s plenty of .ml users who have no idea of the political leanings of the server, I agree. Which is why I made it very clear I was kidding. I’m still keeping the instance blocked though.
At least what Ukraine is claiming is somewhat based in reality compared to what russia claims.
According to russian sources, russia has destroyed some vehicle and plane types in higher numbers than ukraine ever had, yet Ukraine still has some.
Weird how that works.
I don’t understand how anything I said inferred credibility unto Russian sources, much less Russian MOD claims on Ukrainian losses.
Can you reread my original comment, and then explain to me how anything I said, is directly related to anything you just said?
Nothing you said inferred credibility unto Russian sources, I just wanted to add my take on the bigger picture.
Which is, that Ukrainian reporting is probably not 100% correct and there probably are inflations somewhere (like you said), it is still bound to reality, while Russian reporting lost its touch with reality on day one.
I guess its a knee jerk reaction to all the tankies defending russia lol
The core of what they say is truthful, just like most propaganda. Why bother pointing it out? Why automatically doubt Ukraine, calling them very biased “at best”?
Because it’s designed to undermine Ukraine and support the Kremlin and Pyong Yang.
I can’t speak to that users motivations. I can only say that initial reporting out of any warzone should be viewed skeptically. I’ve already provided my rationale as to why, but ultimately, it’s a personal choice.
I’d rather file away first reports as unconfirmed rumors, or incomplete assessments, until I’ve seen additional reporting from other sources I trust.
Maybe that user really is what you said they are, or maybe they just suck at articulating the point that I was making. I don’t know.
True, and Russia is always the one lying, it’s their own strategy, Ukraine numbers are backed by CiA and UK intelligence right after, they actually lose support if they start lying, not Russia they only have lies, so fuck .ml
I get your point, and validation is key always. But it’s a good little story and I like the idea of people leaving North Korea if it is really as bad as they claim (without independent validation).
.ML user sharing Russia propaganda as always
Yes it’s “propaganda” to be critical of the media you consume. 🙄
North Korean battle theme in Ukraine:
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/938c0133-a5eb-42e8-b5d9-514e14da16d2.png">
I imagine the sound from when you lose on The Price is Right.
With the yodeling guy going up the ramp just before!
my first thought when nk sent troops was what an opportunity to get out of nk.
NK probably loves the idea of less people?
They aren’t going to want those 3000 troops coming back and talking about their time in the west.
I dunno the NK troops at least appear to have boots, so coming back and telling stories of how the ‘western’ Russian troops don’t even have shoes or ammo is probably decent propaganda for the regime.
Look at night time satellite imagery. South Korea looks like an island; the northern half of the peninsula is almost entirely dark.
The street lamps along their route to Ukraine will be enough to give them culture shock.
I hope they all find better lives and live them.
I just hope they are all single and don’t have families left.
18 doesn’t seem like many. North Korea must have sent thousands
I think I read somewhere 3000 to that unit / region
Around 10k total I think
This is great news. OTOH, these deserters condemned 3 generations of their family back home.
Yeah they’ll do that. You gotta make people want to stay
Hm…
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/14a6d225-5caf-4018-a4c8-a3f3a42b60a1.jpeg">
Coming soon: Supreme leader bans overseas military service because he won’t meddle in other people’s business.
Real reason: They saw that many North Koreans wanted to.
probably their best safest chance to defect