Ukraine can strike inside Russia with British weapons, UK’s Cameron says (www.politico.eu)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 03 May 2024 15:28
https://lemmy.world/post/14984339

UK’s top diplomat also pledges £3 billion of annual military help to Ukraine for ‘as long as it takes.’

Ukraine has the “right” to use British-supplied weapons to strike Russia inside its own territory, U.K. Foreign Secretary David Cameron said on a trip to Kyiv.

In an interview with Reuters, Cameron said it was up to Ukraine to decide how U.K. weapons are used.

Asked if that included targets inside Russia, he said: “Ukraine has that right. Just as Russia is striking inside Ukraine, you can quite understand why Ukraine feels the need to make sure it’s defending itself.”

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tunetardis@lemmy.ca on 03 May 2024 16:53 next collapse

Is this official though, or wishful thinking on the part of Cameron?

gregorum@lemm.ee on 03 May 2024 16:56 next collapse

Yeah, does he have the authority to say this? Or is this just, like, his opinion, man?

[deleted] on 03 May 2024 16:59 collapse
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Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world on 03 May 2024 17:06 collapse

I mean, they already do that with drones. Not as bold or new as you may imagine

MartianSands@sh.itjust.works on 03 May 2024 17:41 next collapse

He’s the foreign secretary. I’m pretty sure that makes him the person who’s permission they’d need, unless the prime minister immediately overrules him

tunetardis@lemmy.ca on 03 May 2024 18:33 collapse

Fair enough. I’m just looking for some independent confirmation as this is pretty big news.

echodot@feddit.uk on 03 May 2024 23:40 collapse

Both. He just makes stuff up based on whatever random thing he’s thinking about at the time, and our pathetic excuse for PM doesn’t override him. Thus, official policy is made.

Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee on 03 May 2024 17:17 next collapse

This is the counter-escalation rhetoric from the west, in response to new evidence of Russia using chemical weapons in Ukraine.

Ukraine has been striking hundreds of kilometers into Russia already, but with domestically made light prop planes turned into flying suicide bombs. Thats way wayyyy cheaper than a multi-million Taurus/StormShadow, but super vulnerable to air defense unlike said cruise missiles.

Allowing Ukraine to strike with supplied weapons could have a big effect on battlefield outcomes depending on how it’s applied. I think any hope of UKR air dominance is years away, but blunting Russia ability to muster and sortie glide/hypersonic attacks would be significant today. Crimea (and the Kerch bridge) is useless for now, ammo dumps and staging areas are too low value, and the naval forces are already being attritted and denied a use via sea drones.

FarceOfWill@infosec.pub on 04 May 2024 00:25 next collapse

It doesn’t even need to be applied, saying it can happen and showing it once forces a massive logistical cost on Russia to protect itself by moving weak points further back, extending supply lines even more, or concentrating under any anti missile defences.

Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee on 04 May 2024 00:37 collapse

Yup, just like when HIMARS was feasting on Russian ammo dumps and AAA when initially introduced - but now at much further ranges

realitista@lemm.ee on 04 May 2024 01:11 collapse

Why would you say that the Kerch bridge is useless for now? I’d think that cutting 50% of the supply lines into occupied territory would have a massive impact no matter when you did it.

Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee on 04 May 2024 02:32 collapse

Useless as an objective. They threw +2 StormShadows at it previously during the counteroffensive prelude, when retaking the land route to Crimea was the main thrust. Now it’ll frustrate local logistics, instead of cutting off resupply.

Curb stomping air bases or Russian MIC factories has a universal effect across the front.

whotookkarl@lemmy.world on 03 May 2024 17:34 next collapse

As soon as the initial Russia attack failed, invalidating the treaty where Ukraine agreed to deproliferate as long as Russia doesn’t attack them, Ukraine should have acquired a handful of nuclear weapons.

john89@lemmy.ca on 03 May 2024 19:31 collapse

That would’ve been nice, but I think reacquiring and maintaining them would’ve been very difficult.

Personally, I think Ukraine should have mined and set up other defenses around its border with Russia. I know it seems extreme, but considering the reality of what happened it only really makes sense from a practical perspective.

It’s a shame they didn’t, and now they’re paying for it.

john89@lemmy.ca on 03 May 2024 19:29 next collapse

They always should’ve been allowed to.

Does North Korea and China restrict Russia from ‘striking inside Ukraine’ with their weapons?

harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 May 2024 20:34 next collapse

As an American, I’d like the UK to provide Mexico with the same weapons so they can launch strikes into Texas, Florida, and Alabama.

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 03 May 2024 21:45 next collapse

You have to know Florida would just come back meaner and more malignant.

Buelldozer@lemmy.today on 03 May 2024 23:20 collapse

Be careful not to cut yourself with all that edge.

MonsterMonster@lemmy.world on 03 May 2024 22:53 collapse

Next up is Taurus from Germany.