Israel threatens Iran’s top leader after missiles damage hospital and wound more than 200 (www.politico.com)
from RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 19 Jun 15:17
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givesomefucks@lemmy.world on 19 Jun 15:25 next collapse

I mean…

Honestly the whole “assassinating a leader is against the rules” has always felt ass backwards when the alternative is a shit ton of people with essentially no say in the conflict dying.

Let me take it back to Hammarubi.

All these shitty world leaders can just take turns killing themselves like the bloody Sneeches, until we eventually end up with leaders who think peace is worth a shot.

To me, that sounds like a self correcting and sustainable system. If a country’s government starts a war, the most likely result would be that political leader getting merc’d by the government of the country they attacked.

ogmios@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jun 15:50 next collapse

The problem with assassinating leaders is that it turns the population into a headless mob, and plenty of innocents suffer tremendously anyways.

Modern military technology has made such concerns much less important, as any conflict is increasingly devastating.

CalipherJones@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 18:38 collapse

Yerp. Killing the leader leaves a power vacuum depending on the structure of the government. Power vacuums are the quickest way to a civil war.

colonelsharki@lemmy.world on 19 Jun 16:01 next collapse

So you’re saying that Netanyahu is a legit target for the Iranians?

Arkouda@lemmy.ca on 19 Jun 16:18 collapse

The only reasons I can see that monster is still breathing is the power vacuum left behind would make the situation worse, and the US would royally fuck anyone who tried it.

Saleh@feddit.org on 19 Jun 16:08 next collapse

You will end up with leaders that will not meet each other or leave their countries. You will end up with leaders eternally paranoid that at any moment they could be assassinated by a foreign power.

This will be a guarantee for much more wars, killing many more people than we already have.

EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com on 19 Jun 16:51 next collapse

Solve it the Klingon way: trial by personal combat.

real_squids@sopuli.xyz on 19 Jun 17:25 collapse

“Leaders can have a little assassination, as a treat”

Not too often, just enough to remind them of their humanity.

If a country’s government starts a war, the most likely result would be that political leader getting merc’d by the government of the country they attacked.

Depends on who’s stronger. I don’t think it’s gonna lead to stability every time, unless the leaders realize it’s better (read: profitable) to be at peace.

givesomefucks@lemmy.world on 19 Jun 18:07 collapse

Depends on who’s stronger.

Now it depends on who is willing to throw enough bodies thru a meat grinder, bomb civilians, or nuke everything…

If assassinations on the table, none of that shit matters if you personally get killed before you order it used

Every aggressive country would prioritize personal defense and strategic assassination squads.

Which again, I’d see as an absolute win over thousands or even millions of people dying.

There’s no down sound.

real_squids@sopuli.xyz on 19 Jun 20:09 collapse

What happens if one country invades the other which doesn’t posses the tech necessary to kill the leader? eg cruise missiles, bunker busters, or modern aviation in general

Alaik@lemmy.zip on 20 Jun 21:04 collapse

Then that country would lose in a conventional war also?

real_squids@sopuli.xyz on 20 Jun 22:49 collapse

Not really, there are some good examples of underdogs winning (without cruise missiles for example).

edit: and we’re not talking strictly conventional. also that’s not what “no downsides” means

Tja@programming.dev on 19 Jun 15:41 next collapse

Wait, so bombing hospitals is bad??

- some dude at IDF right now

Anomalocaris@lemm.ee on 19 Jun 23:30 collapse

it’s bad when Iran bombs hospitals because the IOF hides under them.

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 19 Jun 16:11 next collapse

It’s not like iranians leaders don’t expect to be murdered. I am sure they have plan for replacements which may be smarter than thr current ones

Anomalocaris@lemm.ee on 19 Jun 23:30 collapse

they should do like Bibi and Ron away to Athens before the attack

www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/4x-isr#3ac747…

nkat2112@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jun 18:29 next collapse

What if Israel and the Zionists didn’t commit genocide and initiate wars?

Birch@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jun 20:24 next collapse

It’d actually be a nice tourist destination, food is great, glad I got to go many years ago in between murder campaigns.

Anomalocaris@lemm.ee on 19 Jun 23:29 collapse

it is still an apartheid state.

Anomalocaris@lemm.ee on 19 Jun 23:29 collapse

it would still be apartheid

Treczoks@lemmy.world on 19 Jun 18:55 next collapse

Tough getting a spoon of their own medicine. Although the mullahs claim they were actually targeting something nearby, while the IDF just claims every hospital, school, or whatever to be Hamas HQ.

CatherineLily@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 19 Jun 21:22 next collapse

Israel: You dare use my own spells against me.

Anomalocaris@lemm.ee on 19 Jun 23:24 collapse

in a vacuum, if it was a dark comedy, it would be so funny how Israel complains about the things they have been doing non stop.

but it isn’t, because the major countries are acting as if they believe what Israel says.

xc2215x@lemmy.world on 19 Jun 21:23 next collapse

Iran did what they have been doing in Gaza.

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3abas@lemm.ee on 19 Jun 23:45 collapse

No they didn’t. Iran didn’t bomb every hospital and clinic in Israel repeatedly, Iran didn’t bomb Israel fertility centers, Iran didn’t ambush and shoot doctors and bury their bodies, Iran didn’t drone strike ambulances AFTER coordinating their movement. Iran didn’t bulldoze graves of all the people it slaughtered to invade a hospital and destroy its water lines, Iran didn’t evacuate hospitals at gun point and leave infants to starve to death alone in hospital beds. Iran didn’t do any of that.

Israel did all that, and more, and they bragged about it very loudly and posted all the evidence themselves.

CalipherJones@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 18:44 collapse

Ive heard a few Israeli spokespeople on the radio. Listening to their justifications is as hypocritical as it gets. Somehow strikes on Tel Aviv are the most despicable acts of all time while Israel is simply conducting the most glorious military operation ever. It sick.

Witchfire@lemmy.world on 19 Jun 23:31 next collapse

Iran has the right to defend itself

Valmond@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 07:51 collapse

Not by doing war crimes.

Tiger666@lemmy.ca on 20 Jun 08:46 collapse

What war crimes exactly?

Valmond@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 11:06 collapse

Bombing valid military targets.

I mean if you can’t even read the headline…

Tiger666@lemmy.ca on 20 Jun 12:57 collapse

Bombing a valid military target is not a war crime. A war crime is something like killing prisoners or civilians. A war crime is like bombing civilian targets(like Russia does). A war crime is like when you starve a population with a blockade.

Please let me know what Iran did as a war crime, im really really interested.

Valmond@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 16:28 collapse

Read the headline? Bombing a hospital it says, but I doubt you can read it better if I write it 🤷🏼‍♀️

CalipherJones@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 18:31 next collapse

Maybe there was Hamas hiding in there

Valmond@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 19:17 collapse

/s

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 20 Jun 19:06 collapse

It was a colateral damage . Iran can’t do precise airstrikes like israel does

Valmond@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 19:18 collapse

Then they shouldn’t have done it Einstein.

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 20 Jun 19:21 collapse

Sure they should let israel bombarding them without defending itself. What a clown.

Valmond@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 19:33 collapse

They do war crimes. Iran does war crimes. Spin it as you like, Iran are doing war crimes.

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 20 Jun 19:55 next collapse

Which one again? Collateral damage is not war crime

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 08:28 collapse

Israel wrote the book on war crimes.

Valmond@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 10:11 collapse

So there were no war crimes before the fifties, intetesting (read: stupid) take.

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 10:50 collapse

Israel has attacked Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran in the last few months. I’m probably forgetting a few places, because those ulta-religious lunatics in Tel Aviv are attacking everyone.

Religious conservatism is poison. And nothing is more poisonous than the fascist regime in Tel Aviv.

Valmond@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 11:57 collapse

Your hatred seems to be on pair with it.

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml on 23 Jun 06:58 collapse

Isn’t that the correct response to a genocidal dictatorship? Please tell me what other feelings are appropriate.

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml on 20 Jun 07:33 collapse

Iran is just defending itself from Israeli terrorism.

Valmond@lemmy.world on 20 Jun 07:51 collapse

No, that’s a war crime.

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml on 20 Jun 07:54 collapse

You mean like how Israel destroyed almost every hospital in Gaza?

Israel started this way. Now they are getting the same treatment they gave to Palestine or Lebanon.