givesomefucks@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2025 15:25
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I mean…
Honestly the whole “assassinating a leader is against the rules” has always felt ass backwards when the alternative is a shit ton of people with essentially no say in the conflict dying.
Let me take it back to Hammarubi.
All these shitty world leaders can just take turns killing themselves like the bloody Sneeches, until we eventually end up with leaders who think peace is worth a shot.
To me, that sounds like a self correcting and sustainable system. If a country’s government starts a war, the most likely result would be that political leader getting merc’d by the government of the country they attacked.
ogmios@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Jun 2025 15:50
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The problem with assassinating leaders is that it turns the population into a headless mob, and plenty of innocents suffer tremendously anyways.
Modern military technology has made such concerns much less important, as any conflict is increasingly devastating.
CalipherJones@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 2025 18:38
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Yerp. Killing the leader leaves a power vacuum depending on the structure of the government. Power vacuums are the quickest way to a civil war.
colonelsharki@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2025 16:01
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So you’re saying that Netanyahu is a legit target for the Iranians?
The only reasons I can see that monster is still breathing is the power vacuum left behind would make the situation worse, and the US would royally fuck anyone who tried it.
Saleh@feddit.org
on 19 Jun 2025 16:08
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You will end up with leaders that will not meet each other or leave their countries. You will end up with leaders eternally paranoid that at any moment they could be assassinated by a foreign power.
This will be a guarantee for much more wars, killing many more people than we already have.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com
on 19 Jun 2025 16:51
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Solve it the Klingon way: trial by personal combat.
real_squids@sopuli.xyz
on 19 Jun 2025 17:25
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“Leaders can have a little assassination, as a treat”
Not too often, just enough to remind them of their humanity.
If a country’s government starts a war, the most likely result would be that political leader getting merc’d by the government of the country they attacked.
Depends on who’s stronger. I don’t think it’s gonna lead to stability every time, unless the leaders realize it’s better (read: profitable) to be at peace.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2025 18:07
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Depends on who’s stronger.
Now it depends on who is willing to throw enough bodies thru a meat grinder, bomb civilians, or nuke everything…
If assassinations on the table, none of that shit matters if you personally get killed before you order it used
Every aggressive country would prioritize personal defense and strategic assassination squads.
Which again, I’d see as an absolute win over thousands or even millions of people dying.
There’s no down sound.
real_squids@sopuli.xyz
on 19 Jun 2025 20:09
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What happens if one country invades the other which doesn’t posses the tech necessary to kill the leader? eg cruise missiles, bunker busters, or modern aviation in general
nkat2112@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Jun 2025 18:29
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What if Israel and the Zionists didn’t commit genocide and initiate wars?
Birch@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Jun 2025 20:24
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It’d actually be a nice tourist destination, food is great, glad I got to go many years ago in between murder campaigns.
Anomalocaris@lemm.ee
on 19 Jun 2025 23:29
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it is still an apartheid state.
Anomalocaris@lemm.ee
on 19 Jun 2025 23:29
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it would still be apartheid
Treczoks@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2025 18:55
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Tough getting a spoon of their own medicine. Although the mullahs claim they were actually targeting something nearby, while the IDF just claims every hospital, school, or whatever to be Hamas HQ.
CatherineLily@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Jun 2025 21:22
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Israel: You dare use my own spells against me.
Anomalocaris@lemm.ee
on 19 Jun 2025 23:24
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in a vacuum, if it was a dark comedy, it would be so funny how Israel complains about the things they have been doing non stop.
but it isn’t, because the major countries are acting as if they believe what Israel says.
xc2215x@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2025 21:23
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No they didn’t. Iran didn’t bomb every hospital and clinic in Israel repeatedly, Iran didn’t bomb Israel fertility centers, Iran didn’t ambush and shoot doctors and bury their bodies, Iran didn’t drone strike ambulances AFTER coordinating their movement. Iran didn’t bulldoze graves of all the people it slaughtered to invade a hospital and destroy its water lines, Iran didn’t evacuate hospitals at gun point and leave infants to starve to death alone in hospital beds. Iran didn’t do any of that.
Israel did all that, and more, and they bragged about it very loudly and posted all the evidence themselves.
CalipherJones@lemmy.world
on 20 Jun 2025 18:44
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Ive heard a few Israeli spokespeople on the radio. Listening to their justifications is as hypocritical as it gets. Somehow strikes on Tel Aviv are the most despicable acts of all time while Israel is simply conducting the most glorious military operation ever. It sick.
Witchfire@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2025 23:31
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Bombing a valid military target is not a war crime. A war crime is something like killing prisoners or civilians. A war crime is like bombing civilian targets(like Russia does).
A war crime is like when you starve a population with a blockade.
Please let me know what Iran did as a war crime, im really really interested.
So there were no war crimes before the fifties, intetesting (read: stupid) take.
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml
on 22 Jun 2025 10:50
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Israel has attacked Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran in the last few months. I’m probably forgetting a few places, because those ulta-religious lunatics in Tel Aviv are attacking everyone.
Religious conservatism is poison. And nothing is more poisonous than the fascist regime in Tel Aviv.
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I mean…
Honestly the whole “assassinating a leader is against the rules” has always felt ass backwards when the alternative is a shit ton of people with essentially no say in the conflict dying.
Let me take it back to Hammarubi.
All these shitty world leaders can just take turns killing themselves like the bloody Sneeches, until we eventually end up with leaders who think peace is worth a shot.
To me, that sounds like a self correcting and sustainable system. If a country’s government starts a war, the most likely result would be that political leader getting merc’d by the government of the country they attacked.
The problem with assassinating leaders is that it turns the population into a headless mob, and plenty of innocents suffer tremendously anyways.
Modern military technology has made such concerns much less important, as any conflict is increasingly devastating.
Yerp. Killing the leader leaves a power vacuum depending on the structure of the government. Power vacuums are the quickest way to a civil war.
So you’re saying that Netanyahu is a legit target for the Iranians?
The only reasons I can see that monster is still breathing is the power vacuum left behind would make the situation worse, and the US would royally fuck anyone who tried it.
You will end up with leaders that will not meet each other or leave their countries. You will end up with leaders eternally paranoid that at any moment they could be assassinated by a foreign power.
This will be a guarantee for much more wars, killing many more people than we already have.
Solve it the Klingon way: trial by personal combat.
“Leaders can have a little assassination, as a treat”
Not too often, just enough to remind them of their humanity.
Depends on who’s stronger. I don’t think it’s gonna lead to stability every time, unless the leaders realize it’s better (read: profitable) to be at peace.
Now it depends on who is willing to throw enough bodies thru a meat grinder, bomb civilians, or nuke everything…
If assassinations on the table, none of that shit matters if you personally get killed before you order it used
Every aggressive country would prioritize personal defense and strategic assassination squads.
Which again, I’d see as an absolute win over thousands or even millions of people dying.
There’s no down sound.
What happens if one country invades the other which doesn’t posses the tech necessary to kill the leader? eg cruise missiles, bunker busters, or modern aviation in general
Then that country would lose in a conventional war also?
Not really, there are some good examples of underdogs winning (without cruise missiles for example).
edit: and we’re not talking strictly conventional. also that’s not what “no downsides” means
Wait, so bombing hospitals is bad??
- some dude at IDF right now
it’s bad when Iran bombs hospitals because the IOF hides under them.
It’s not like iranians leaders don’t expect to be murdered. I am sure they have plan for replacements which may be smarter than thr current ones
they should do like Bibi and Ron away to Athens before the attack
www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/4x-isr#3ac747…
What if Israel and the Zionists didn’t commit genocide and initiate wars?
It’d actually be a nice tourist destination, food is great, glad I got to go many years ago in between murder campaigns.
it is still an apartheid state.
it would still be apartheid
Tough getting a spoon of their own medicine. Although the mullahs claim they were actually targeting something nearby, while the IDF just claims every hospital, school, or whatever to be Hamas HQ.
Israel: You dare use my own spells against me.
in a vacuum, if it was a dark comedy, it would be so funny how Israel complains about the things they have been doing non stop.
but it isn’t, because the major countries are acting as if they believe what Israel says.
Iran did what they have been doing in Gaza.
No they didn’t. Iran didn’t bomb every hospital and clinic in Israel repeatedly, Iran didn’t bomb Israel fertility centers, Iran didn’t ambush and shoot doctors and bury their bodies, Iran didn’t drone strike ambulances AFTER coordinating their movement. Iran didn’t bulldoze graves of all the people it slaughtered to invade a hospital and destroy its water lines, Iran didn’t evacuate hospitals at gun point and leave infants to starve to death alone in hospital beds. Iran didn’t do any of that.
Israel did all that, and more, and they bragged about it very loudly and posted all the evidence themselves.
Ive heard a few Israeli spokespeople on the radio. Listening to their justifications is as hypocritical as it gets. Somehow strikes on Tel Aviv are the most despicable acts of all time while Israel is simply conducting the most glorious military operation ever. It sick.
Iran has the right to defend itself
Not by doing war crimes.
What war crimes exactly?
Bombing valid military targets.
I mean if you can’t even read the headline…
Bombing a valid military target is not a war crime. A war crime is something like killing prisoners or civilians. A war crime is like bombing civilian targets(like Russia does). A war crime is like when you starve a population with a blockade.
Please let me know what Iran did as a war crime, im really really interested.
Read the headline? Bombing a hospital it says, but I doubt you can read it better if I write it 🤷🏼♀️
Maybe there was Hamas hiding in there
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It was a colateral damage . Iran can’t do precise airstrikes like israel does
Then they shouldn’t have done it Einstein.
Sure they should let israel bombarding them without defending itself. What a clown.
They do war crimes. Iran does war crimes. Spin it as you like, Iran are doing war crimes.
Which one again? Collateral damage is not war crime
Israel wrote the book on war crimes.
So there were no war crimes before the fifties, intetesting (read: stupid) take.
Israel has attacked Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran in the last few months. I’m probably forgetting a few places, because those ulta-religious lunatics in Tel Aviv are attacking everyone.
Religious conservatism is poison. And nothing is more poisonous than the fascist regime in Tel Aviv.
Your hatred seems to be on pair with it.
Isn’t that the correct response to a genocidal dictatorship? Please tell me what other feelings are appropriate.
Iran is just defending itself from Israeli terrorism.
No, that’s a war crime.
You mean like how Israel destroyed almost every hospital in Gaza?
Israel started this way. Now they are getting the same treatment they gave to Palestine or Lebanon.