'Psychopath' Ben-Gvir Slammed for Demand That 'All Lebanon Must Burn' (www.commondreams.org)
from return2ozma@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 03:19
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unmagical@lemmy.ml on 21 Jun 03:32 next collapse

Why? Israel’s the one killing all their neighbors.

kamenlady@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 03:43 next collapse

Damn, I’d love to smack that stupid smile from his face.

mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 03:49 next collapse

That’s what Netanyahu and all the major opposition of him also want

WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 11:46 collapse

Based on the polling I’ve seen, I have zero doubt the majority of Israelis would approve of mass murdering their adversaries in gas chambers, and with zero self-awareness of how their psychopathy is identical to the nazis.

TheHonourablePierrePoilievre@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 02:47 collapse

Right now they are all hyped up about nooses and lynching. But this is after having engaged in one of the most concentrated military campaigns in human history against a largely civilian population.

jaybone@lemmy.zip on 21 Jun 07:35 next collapse

He was slammed.

16 feet, announcers table, something something.

svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Jun 09:08 next collapse

Unfortunately, it seems unlikely that Ben Gvir will ever experience hell in a cell.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 21:05 collapse

i’m sure there are a lot of people who would like to be that particular change in the world.

Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip on 21 Jun 12:58 collapse

Is he broken in half by any chance?

HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 07:57 next collapse

Off with his head already

jordanlund@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 08:56 next collapse

“declared that “all Lebanon must burn” shortly after four Israeli soldiers were killed in a fight with Hezbollah.”

Look, nobody wants their people getting killed, but here’s a wild idea… Get your people the fuck out of Lebanon!

You can’t invade another country then bitch about your forces being resisted.

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 12:21 collapse

Yeah, this never occurred to our leaders here in the US during the War on Terror either, and they warmongering in seven countries at once. It can get a whole lot worse, but I hope that doesn’t happen.

spitfire@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:04 collapse

Or as some called it war of terror

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:10 collapse

A fair criticism.

spitfire@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:17 collapse

I think I might have stolen that from Borat

FrankFrankson@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 09:35 next collapse

More proof that there will be a peace treaty any day now!

Wataba@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 09:41 next collapse

Israelis are valid targets. All of them.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 12:08 next collapse

Open support for terrorism. You’re a piece of shit.

lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 20:09 next collapse

Shut the fuck up, zionist trash. Nobody invited you here. Get the fuck out

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 21:51 collapse

Monster.

lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 01:58 next collapse

You’re going to find out the hard way that this platform isn’t so easily bought, bitch

FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 10:06 collapse

Repeating something doesn’t make it any more true

Zionist filth.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 21:06 next collapse

what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 21:50 collapse

I mean - you’re a fucking monster.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 22:09 collapse

this is true. a military committing a terroristic and illegal war upon a civilian population should expect the same type of war committed on their civilians.

love from california, dear zionist

DupaCycki@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 21:25 collapse

While the comment may be a little extreme, it’s important to note that all of the Israeli government’s actions have a rock solid 80% and higher approval rate from the Israeli people.

I certainly wouldn’t say the 20% should die just because most of their neighbours are some of the most awful people to ever be born. But I think this context may shift some views of comments like this one.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 21:50 next collapse

Lemmy - where an outright endorsement of the wholesale ethnic cleansing of jews is “a little extreme”

munsking@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 22:30 next collapse

not jews, israelis

stll a cleansing but based on “nationality” (adherance to oppressive regime) instead of a religion

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 00:04 collapse

Easy block for anyone calling for any ethnic cleansing. Liberals are just as bad as MAGA it turns out.

munsking@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 06:40 next collapse

i’m not calling for it, just correcting you

FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 10:06 next collapse

Oh, just fuck off with your false equivalence bullshit

I’m not 'Murican, and I want to see both Zionists and MAGAts burn

So how do I fit into your false narrative?

BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Jun 10:14 next collapse

“I think Israel should stop killing people - and if peaceful means are exhausted, we are forced to use any means necessary. Entire bloodlines are being erased. Buildings and churches older than European countries are being bombed by US missiles to rubble. They can stop whenever, people can’t come back to life.”

“I think Israel should genocide all Arabs.”

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works: “THESE THINGS ARE THE SAME!!!”

bold_atlas@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 11:11 collapse

Liberals lol

you’re new at this aren’t you?

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Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 23:58 next collapse

Oh, I thought Israel was such a colourful and diverse secular society. But all of a sudden, it’s calling for ethnically cleansing only the Jewish part of it…

TheHonourablePierrePoilievre@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 02:30 collapse

Instead of cooking up a fantastical future tragedy in your own mind, read the words which are written.

TheHonourablePierrePoilievre@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 02:37 next collapse

Dont forget they have mandatory military service with almost nil resistance. There are very few actual civilians in israel. All adults are implicated, more so than even in the USA or almost anywhere else on earth.

Which is a claim they falsely make about Palestinians. And israel does not spare the children in this characterization, even while they breed and raise their own children to be war fodder and terrorists.

matlag@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 03:05 collapse

After 9/11, many Americans supported the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, and were making jokes about nuking them (a country that had nothing to do with the attack, by the way).
So were Americans fair targets?

Israelis are fed the with continuous far-right BS propaganda. I bet they believe Lebanese pray for their annihilation. This is yet another proof that controlling media work, and therefore democracies cannot function if media are not independent. No country, no people is safe for that.

poopkins@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 09:24 next collapse

Are you declaring your support for genocide?

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FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 12:20 next collapse

I hate that human beings like this exist.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 00:13 next collapse

It’s a literal bonfire of the vanities. The bigotry, the smugness, and the violence are all part of a self-mythologizing narrative used to build support for increasingly awful people. Guys like Ben-Gvir are in power precisely because they’re the biggest assholes the country has to offer. They draw in other assholes like a magnet and build a movement based on that collective awfulness, even as their country self-destructs and takes out every neighbor in a 500 mile radius.

spitfire@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:06 collapse

They’re „protecting their borders”. Like Russia

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:19 collapse

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spitfire@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:22 collapse

They’re very similar in many aspects. BTW do you know what characterises a secure Soviet border?

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:23 collapse

Are you referring to the satellite buffer zone? Or is this a joke about Nazis in winter?

spitfire@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:24 collapse

„A secure Soviet border has Soviet soldiers on both sides.” Give me the joke about Nazis too ;)

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:36 collapse

A secure soviet border is behind a line of snowmen in SS uniforms.

matlag@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 02:59 collapse

The issue is not that we have deranged human beings. As societies, we can handle these cases.

The issue is we keep promoting them: Minister in Israel, President in the US, billionaires, trillionaire, …

hanrahan@slrpnk.net on 22 Jun 04:32 next collapse

The issue is we keep promoting them: Minister in Israel, President in the US, billionaires, trillionaire, …

i blame the not interested in politics assholes.

FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 10:02 collapse

Absolutely

Mentally lazy cunts who are complacent, and perfectly happy for others to suffer so long as they’re ok

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today on 22 Jun 11:24 collapse

Exactly. Every society has this strata of psychos who are constantly angling for power. A healthy society understands this and keeps them under control.

But now and then, a society weakens, and these people gain power, and it’s always the same. In the 1930’s it was the Nazis, in the 2010s it was MAGA.

It is important to keep these people crushed at all times, and not feel badly about it. These people do not deserve our empathy, or access to our rights, so they can abuse, manipulate, and violate them. We know where their “free speech” leads us, and we don’t have to tolerate it.

A healthy society is not polite to political psychopaths.

treehugger6@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 16:01 next collapse

What’s with the quotes? He is a psychopath. It’s not up for a discussion

Warl0k3@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 02:08 collapse

“You are a psychopath and one of the greatest threats to the security of Israel and of Jewish people around the world,” journalist Yashar Ali wrote in response to Ben-Gvir.

It’s in quotes because it’s a quote.

treehugger6@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 09:09 collapse

Except there is no quote in the title, therefore this logic doesn’t apply

Warl0k3@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 09:37 collapse

… But there’s two quotations in the title?

DupaCycki@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 21:26 next collapse

Israel does not have a right to exist.

Israel has a right to go fuck itself right in the ass with a grenade launcher.

justastranger@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 22:09 collapse

Israel does not have a right to exist.

This is like saying unions don’t have the right to exist because of police unions. Don’t let the existence of corruption rob an entire group of the right to exist. If Israel didn’t exist, every country would go right back to treating Jews the way they’ve always treated them. Demand the downfall of the ethnonationalists, not the nations being used to justify ethnonationalism.

BrickEater@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 22:47 next collapse

Bull fucking shit. Israel is stolen land, taken during the Nakba after Palestinians were kind enough to welcome Jewish refugees from Europe. It has no fucking right to exist any more than the US or any other conquering nation does.

poopkins@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 09:21 next collapse

To which date, specifically, should we reset nations and borders, in your opinion?

FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 10:01 next collapse

Eat a dick

boonhet@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 10:35 collapse

No, it’s a valid question, Jews also used to live in that land millennia ago.

bold_atlas@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 11:00 collapse

I used to live in your house. Give back to me now.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 13:27 collapse

Did you used to own the house and then were kicked out of it by force by a third party that never owned even part of the house?

bold_atlas@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 11:03 next collapse

1947

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 13:28 collapse

Why that date specifically?

FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:46 next collapse

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Alaknar@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 16:56 collapse

OK, I see you’re a bit slower than some. No worries! Let’s try this: what makes 1947 a more significant date than, say, 750 BCE?

FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 17:26 collapse

You’re nowhere near as clever as you think you are

reddit_sux@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 17:30 collapse

There was no Israel before that. Kingdom of Israel has ceased to exist thousands of years before.

BrickEater@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 13:05 next collapse

Pedantic argument. There’s no specific date to “reset”. You and I are both well aware of who is an oppressor and who the land was stolen from.

Land back to all Native peoples, fuck the Eurocentric hegemony created by European imperialism.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 13:30 collapse

Land back to all Native peoples

The Kingdom of Israel existed there up until 720 BCE. Israelis and Jews lived in that area effectively “always”, just like the Palestinians. Returning “land back to all Native peoples” would mean exactly what we did - establishing a Palestine AND an Israel.

What’s missing right now is the UN to get off its arse and ensure that they remain separate, without Israel encroaching on Palestinian land.

weps@feddit.org on 22 Jun 15:36 next collapse

Why separate them? bring Kanaan back and if the Jews don’t like it they can go farming in the hills again.

reddit_sux@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 17:28 collapse

It ended is existence in 720 BCE. Current State of Israel has no relation to it other than name. Majority of the Jews staying there today are Europeans.

reddit_sux@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 17:03 collapse

Before the British divided the Arab lands and gave it to Europeans.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 13:31 collapse

Israel is stolen land, taken during the Nakba after Palestinians were kind enough to welcome Jewish refugees from Europe

Israelis lived in that area for at least 3000 years.

captainlezbian@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 14:03 next collapse

Yeah, except the word changed to Palestinians. Some converted to Christianity, most converted to Islam, and plenty of ethnic mixing happened between the beginning of the diaspora and the nakhba, on both sides.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 15:44 collapse

Yup! And since both nations want independence, why would only one be allowed to have it?

The problem is that the world has been completely blind to the crimes Israel has been committing, slowly encroaching on Palestinian land.

What needs to happen is the removal of current heads of Israeli state, ideally by execution for all the crimes against humanity they committed, a new democratic election on both sides of the fence (reminder: Palestinians enjoyed their last election in 2008 when Hamas took over and installed religious dictatorship), and then the establishment of a UN-coordinated force, ideally culturally neutral (like Japan/China/Korea) to ensure that the borders are respected.

reddit_sux@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 17:02 collapse

One is a nation other is a settler colony.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 17:03 collapse

Which is which? Palestinians didn’t exist as a nation (it was “the region of Palestine”, not a country) until the exact same UN resolution that created Israel. Which, fun fact, does have historical records of existence in the region… So? Which ones are the settlers?

reddit_sux@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 17:23 collapse

European Jews are the settlers.

reddit_sux@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 15:02 collapse

European Jews didn’t, don’t quote religious books or Persians, Egyptian have more rights over that region than Jews.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 15:39 collapse

Religious books…? Are you confusing the Kingdom of Israel with the biblical “United Kingdom of Israel”?

reddit_sux@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:10 collapse

The existence of Kingdom of Israel is an ongoing academic debate and has no connection to the current Israel if at all they existed.

The land was Egyptian before Jewish. So they have a more ancient right over that land. Maybe Syrians before them.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 16:55 collapse

Yeah, so you’re confusing the Kingdom of Israel, which is mentioned in Assyrian records, on the Moabite Stone, etc., etc.

The land was Egyptian before Jewish. So they have a more ancient right over that land. Maybe Syrians before them.

Yup. Which just highlights how stupid the whole “someone has the right to a territory because of [historical reasons]” is.

Reality is super simple: the right to a territory belongs to those who can obtain that territory and hold it. That’s how it always worked throughout history, even if we’re now trying to sugarcoat things by pretending that’s not the case. If russia didn’t fumble the full-scale war with Ukraine as bad as they had, and if Ukraine didn’t receive the support they did, within the next 5-10 years nobody would be talking about “occupied Ukraine”, it’d be just “russia”.

Poland moved a couple hundred kilometers to the west after the Second World War, Germany’s borders are completely different than they used to be, Great Britain lost its colonies - nobody gives a fuck about any “ancient right”, it’s literally only about power (both in terms of military capability, as well as diplomatic ability to negotiate and resolve conflicts).

And with that out of the way, the reality is this: Palestine received a nation state in the exact same UN resolution that created Israel. One has the exact same right to exist as the other - their diplomatic effort gave them these nations and that’s that.

What now needs to happen is for the UN to actually enforce its mandates by securing the borders at least as long as it takes Palestine to rebuild.

reddit_sux@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 17:20 collapse

Israel in its present avatar didn’t exist before the British have it to Europeans. The land was taken from Arabs who were living under the Ottoman rules. There were Jews living there but were a minority.

Europeans just exported their problems elsewhere and are now propping it up.

Palestine received a nation state in the exact same UN resolution that created Israel. One has the exact same right to exist as the other - their diplomatic effort gave them these nations and that’s that.

Yet it allowed for the theocratic colony of Israel to continue is genocide.

The only way to ensure peace in Middle East is for Israel to not exist and all the Europeans go back to their own countries.

Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 23:56 next collapse

States don’t have a right to exist, especial ethno supremacist ones.

3abas@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 00:40 next collapse

What a fucking joke. The world persecuted Jews is the reason they have to genocide, ethnically cleanse, and colonize Palestine?

Do Palestinians get to choose a people to do that to? When do we stop with this stupid loop?

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today on 22 Jun 11:18 next collapse

Who would have thought that lesson they would take from the Holocaust would be to Pay It Forward?

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 13:26 collapse

What a fucking joke. The world persecuted Jews is the reason they have to genocide, ethnically cleanse, and colonize Palestine?

Do you not see a difference between “right to exist” and “commit genocide”?

reddit_sux@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 14:51 collapse

We do but Israel doesn’t seem to. It has been carrying out Genocide since it’s inception. The only time it has been attacked was during the first arab war, Yom Kippur war. Rest have been belligerence of the US and European colony of Israel.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 15:50 collapse

We do but Israel doesn’t seem to

Oh, yeah, silly me, I forgot that Israel is a hive-mind and if Netanyahu and the right-wing extremists want to eradicate Palestine, then ALL Israelis want that too!

It has been carrying out Genocide since it’s inception

The word has lost all its meaning, I see. “They’re doing bad things” == “Genocide”.

reddit_sux@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:05 collapse

The International Court of Justice has said it’s a Genocide. Ethinically cleansing of a population is not just a bad thing it is the literal definition of Genocide.

If you want to change the definition I am sure you would also mean Holocaust was also just a bad thing.

European should stop pushing it’s problem elsewhere and take care of it by themselves.

Alaknar@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 17:02 collapse

The International Court of Justice has said it’s a Genocide

In 2025.

If you want to change the definition I am sure you would also mean Holocaust was also just a bad thing.

I’m not changing anything. I’m agreeing with the ICJ. You’re changing the meaning of the word to be “bad things are happening” since you’re claiming that Israel “has been carrying out Genocide since [Palestine’s] inception”.

Which is ludicrous considering they had independent elections, and a population boom of going from 600k to 5 million in 100 years.

reddit_sux@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 17:22 collapse

Israel came into existence in 1948. Palestine was the land before that.

TheHonourablePierrePoilievre@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 02:27 next collapse

Terrible example! Israel is intertwined with the worst most violent and intrusive components of policing. They use Palestine as a laboratory to run experiments about how to oppress people. A key component of a global network of repression and imiseration. It is one of the ways the evil project is insinuated into everybody’s lives, even if you do not consider Arabs to be full humans. Which is a required assumption to be writing comments such as the above.

Abolish the police and abolish Israel.

FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 10:01 next collapse

You’re either disingenuous, or a fool

demonsword@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 13:54 collapse

If Israel didn’t exist, every country would go right back to treating Jews the way they’ve always treated them.

bullshit, jews already live all over the world and antisemitism was well under control until Israel’s current government decided to speedrun their palestinian genocide

Folstar@lemmus.org on 21 Jun 23:42 next collapse

Oh no, he was slammed??! Was he also owned, sent a message, taken to task, and other things that mean someone said something that he ignored and went right back to what he was doing?

tldr; I’m so tired of these Wrestlemania headlines of completely consequence free replies to people being terrible. Wake us when any bad person experiences anything approaching accountability.

andallthat@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 10:28 collapse

But he was blasted, I tell you! Roasted, totally torn apart!

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 00:03 next collapse

slammed

optimisticturtle@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 00:28 next collapse

Worst neighbors ever.

muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 01:53 next collapse

Fine. First, rename Israel to Lebanon and I’ll let you have your wish.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 22 Jun 04:50 next collapse

what about the psycho benjamin.

IndustryStandard@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 11:51 next collapse

He said that Israel is doing everything they possibly can to prevent making civilian casualties. Surely he would not lie, right?

100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it on 22 Jun 14:18 collapse

Genocide has the side effect of keeping him out of prison

CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 09:13 next collapse

Hitler 2.

matdave@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 10:47 collapse

Electric Boogaloo

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 09:53 next collapse

Imagine a colony of narcissts with a victim complex who are granted complete immunity for their actions and you end up with Israel.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today on 22 Jun 11:16 collapse

And MAGA.

Grimtuck@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 11:40 collapse

And Russia

melsaskca@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 11:52 collapse

And my dad!

Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 13:18 collapse

And my axe!

Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 11:13 next collapse

I bet there are so many psychopaths up in the tippy top.

melfie@lemmy.zip on 22 Jun 12:46 next collapse

Remember that the Greater Israel Project is about the chosen ones owning most of the land in the Middle East and genociding the current occupants. Palestine is the most immediate goal of the project, but the Lebanese, Syrians, Iraqis, Egyptians, etc. are also part of the plan.

spitfire@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 16:17 collapse

Why is „psychopath” put in quotes?

CarstenBoll@feddit.dk on 22 Jun 17:12 collapse

It’s put in quotes because it’s a quote. Hope that helps.

VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 17:25 collapse

Seriously, why does hardly anyone on this website know how to read headlines? Quotes mean it’s a direct quote and commas are used as shorthand for ‘and’.