The Epstein files are not nearly as central to this as people think. Yes they exist, yes Trump is in them, there’s probably video footage and photos of all kinds of disgusting things, but this war has been planned for decades, and is part of a continual policy regime that has been carried out across multiple presidential and congressional administrations. Trump or not, war with Iran was inevitable because the goal of western aristocracy is to maintain global “full spectrum dominance”, and they will destroy the entire planet if they can’t rule it themselves.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
on 14 Jun 16:48
nextcollapse
Israel didn’t overthrow Irans government in 1953. Perhaps there was some Zionist influence, but this was the policy of Post-WWII Western fascists, writ large. This is about the alliance of western nations (NATO) maintaining control, and preventing any kind of meaningful geopolitical alternative from emerging in the east, creating currency and economic unions that can displace the petrodollar and IMF, major non maritime trade routes, pipelines, etc.
Iran was never in danger of becoming a meaningful geopolitical alternative, especially given that they were very clearly moving closer to the us. The war in iran cannot be said to be a nato power play give the current rift between nato members about the war, and the predictably destablising effect it would obviously have and is having on the structures of US hegemony.
It was very clearly a last minute decision by some of the dumbest us elites that russia could buy.
The position, goals and capabilities of the us empire were very different in '53 than today.
I think you're making a general over-arching argument that is contradicted by the specific details.
Iran was never in danger of becoming a meaningful geopolitical alternative, especially given that they were very clearly moving closer to the us.
Were they? Iran is a full member of BRICS, having officially joined the bloc on January 1, 2024. This does not seem to be in alignment with the larger strategic interests of the U.S. or its allies. What do you mean by “moving closer to the U.S.?
The war in iran cannot be said to be a nato power play give the current rift between nato members about the war, and the predictably destablising effect it would obviously have and is having on the structures of US hegemony.
There is no rift, it all bullshit. NATO is the west, albeit led by the nose by the U.S…. Certain political critters will make overtures about leaving NATO from time to time as it suits them in the moment. It won’t happen.
It was very clearly a last minute decision by some of the dumbest us elites that russia could buy.
The funny thing about this situation, to the extent that there is anything funny about it, is that Trump fucked up a war the MIC has been planning for 40 years.
I think the influence of Russia has been overblown as well. They are one of the prime targets of the Western aristocracy. They made a bid to have some control over U.S. foreign policy through Trump et al, but all amidst NATO encroachment and a proxy war.
The position, goals and capabilities of the us empire were very different in '53 than today.
Duh
I think you’re making a general over-arching argument that is contradicted by the specific details.
I think this misses a lot of detail - suppresion of iran is an israeli goal more than a western elite goal. Yes israel is part of the us empire but before the current coup by the lunatic faction in the us, war with iran was becoming much less likely.
The obama nuclear deal was a huge win, iran was complying and un monitoring agreed. Moderates were in power and in the ascendancy in iran and actively talking about how to reduce their sanctions burden. Before the US killed all the moderates in power and let the regime massacre their supporters.
Also, US elites don't want to maintain full specrrum dominance. Some say that to impress the rubes but they can see the US empire crumbling as much as anyone with eyes. The current goal of US elites is to loot the empire on the way down. That's why they're all in bed with russia, the saudis and china - though they keep the china links much quieter.
Your first two points ignore that there are elections in the United States and policy seems to swing wildly between peacemaking and saber rattling, but if you look at the trajectory of policy on a longer scale, it’s clear that there is a longer term plan to isolate and contain any major power that can oppose the west. Iran has known this for decades and all their recent public statements acknowledge this. They have been preparing for this war since at least the time when Bush Jr said they were part of an “Axis of Evil”, likening them to the “Axis”powers of WWII.
Your last point is more interesting. Yes there does appear to be a contingent of “new money” that sees a factional power struggle emerging in the west, and possibly a breaking of the nations. It’s possible but I think they are still very much hedging their bets in alignment with the establishment. Being the richest man in the world won’t save you from a jet disaster or a bullet from a Manchurian candidate.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
on 14 Jun 18:07
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It seems like Bibi has a more urgent existential anxiety by prolonging the war than Trump, who went to war to distract the people from the Epstein files. Netanyahu was already summoned to court for corruption but he has been dragging the war to delay the trial.
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Of course, this is a forever war.
It will last until someone releases the full, unredacted Epstein Files. Until then, Bibi holds all the (birthday) cards.
The Epstein files are not nearly as central to this as people think. Yes they exist, yes Trump is in them, there’s probably video footage and photos of all kinds of disgusting things, but this war has been planned for decades, and is part of a continual policy regime that has been carried out across multiple presidential and congressional administrations. Trump or not, war with Iran was inevitable because the goal of western aristocracy is to maintain global “full spectrum dominance”, and they will destroy the entire planet if they can’t rule it themselves.
Planned for decades… By Israel.
Israel didn’t overthrow Irans government in 1953. Perhaps there was some Zionist influence, but this was the policy of Post-WWII Western fascists, writ large. This is about the alliance of western nations (NATO) maintaining control, and preventing any kind of meaningful geopolitical alternative from emerging in the east, creating currency and economic unions that can displace the petrodollar and IMF, major non maritime trade routes, pipelines, etc.
Iran was never in danger of becoming a meaningful geopolitical alternative, especially given that they were very clearly moving closer to the us. The war in iran cannot be said to be a nato power play give the current rift between nato members about the war, and the predictably destablising effect it would obviously have and is having on the structures of US hegemony.
It was very clearly a last minute decision by some of the dumbest us elites that russia could buy.
The position, goals and capabilities of the us empire were very different in '53 than today.
I think you're making a general over-arching argument that is contradicted by the specific details.
Were they? Iran is a full member of BRICS, having officially joined the bloc on January 1, 2024. This does not seem to be in alignment with the larger strategic interests of the U.S. or its allies. What do you mean by “moving closer to the U.S.?
There is no rift, it all bullshit. NATO is the west, albeit led by the nose by the U.S…. Certain political critters will make overtures about leaving NATO from time to time as it suits them in the moment. It won’t happen.
The funny thing about this situation, to the extent that there is anything funny about it, is that Trump fucked up a war the MIC has been planning for 40 years.
I think the influence of Russia has been overblown as well. They are one of the prime targets of the Western aristocracy. They made a bid to have some control over U.S. foreign policy through Trump et al, but all amidst NATO encroachment and a proxy war.
Duh
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I think this misses a lot of detail - suppresion of iran is an israeli goal more than a western elite goal. Yes israel is part of the us empire but before the current coup by the lunatic faction in the us, war with iran was becoming much less likely.
The obama nuclear deal was a huge win, iran was complying and un monitoring agreed. Moderates were in power and in the ascendancy in iran and actively talking about how to reduce their sanctions burden. Before the US killed all the moderates in power and let the regime massacre their supporters.
Also, US elites don't want to maintain full specrrum dominance. Some say that to impress the rubes but they can see the US empire crumbling as much as anyone with eyes. The current goal of US elites is to loot the empire on the way down. That's why they're all in bed with russia, the saudis and china - though they keep the china links much quieter.
Your first two points ignore that there are elections in the United States and policy seems to swing wildly between peacemaking and saber rattling, but if you look at the trajectory of policy on a longer scale, it’s clear that there is a longer term plan to isolate and contain any major power that can oppose the west. Iran has known this for decades and all their recent public statements acknowledge this. They have been preparing for this war since at least the time when Bush Jr said they were part of an “Axis of Evil”, likening them to the “Axis”powers of WWII.
Your last point is more interesting. Yes there does appear to be a contingent of “new money” that sees a factional power struggle emerging in the west, and possibly a breaking of the nations. It’s possible but I think they are still very much hedging their bets in alignment with the establishment. Being the richest man in the world won’t save you from a jet disaster or a bullet from a Manchurian candidate.
It seems like Bibi has a more urgent existential anxiety by prolonging the war than Trump, who went to war to distract the people from the Epstein files. Netanyahu was already summoned to court for corruption but he has been dragging the war to delay the trial.
Trump sits in the cuck chair at netanyahu meetings
Because to Israel Iran is little more than a fun distraction while they expand and Donald can’t do a damn thing about it if he wanted.