Major world leader calls Trump a ‘Russian asset’ during speech (www.yahoo.com)
from shish_mish@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 18:17
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spongebue@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 18:32 next collapse

Fuck that headline. It was the president of Portugal.

Serinus@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 18:34 next collapse

Great headline. It’s the only one that reaches instead of sanewashing.

spongebue@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 19:32 collapse

Would it have killed them to say who, though?

Oh yeah, clicks.

slackassassin@sh.itjust.works on 31 Aug 20:23 collapse

Not a bad strategy, tbh.

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 01 Sep 11:24 collapse

It is an extremely obnoxious and shitty strategy

slackassassin@sh.itjust.works on 01 Sep 23:28 collapse

😱

ambitious_bones@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 18:35 next collapse

“The top leader of the world’s foremost superpower is, objectively, a Soviet or Russian asset,” de Sousa said, according to the Portugal Pulse’s report. “He operates as an asset.”

drolex@sopuli.xyz on 31 Aug 19:24 next collapse

The President of Portugal, one of the parties of the treaty of Tordesillas, ruling country of half the New World with the benediction of the pope, top sardine fisher, main exporter of Cristiano Ronaldos, and foremost port wine producer.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 00:18 next collapse

Dammit he is going to jeopardize our supply of Ronaldos

D_C@sh.itjust.works on 01 Sep 08:53 collapse

Good. That will drive the price up of all my Ronaldo’s, muhahaha {twists mustache then steeples fingers evilly}

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 01:02 collapse

Why are they producing wine at ports, I would think the salt would effect the vines. /s

ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 01:12 next collapse

It just means the wine is left-handed.

elucubra@sopuli.xyz on 01 Sep 08:15 collapse

Relative to the bow

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 15:36 collapse

It’s the water from washing the decks of container ships…

LillyPip@lemmy.ca on 31 Aug 20:22 next collapse

Unlike much clickbait, this one is true.

ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml on 31 Aug 22:56 next collapse

And also he defined that term very specifically. He said only that Trump is acting in the best interests of Russia. When someone normally uses that language, they mean they are in the employ of a country, like a spy.

So, it’s meant to be inflammatory and spur action on the part of the US and Europe.

brown567@sh.itjust.works on 01 Sep 03:27 collapse

I saw another headline misquoted as “agent” instead of “asset”

fx242@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 09:14 next collapse

This president is no joke, remember his epic handshake? youtu.be/sfrbogBg9dA

Sanctus@lemmy.world on 02 Sep 02:29 collapse

Before even clicking this I already knew Trump ain’t for the grip. Sure enough he proves 100% bitch made.

Tryenjer@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 09:30 next collapse

Furthermore, PPD/PSD is not the Socialist Party (that’s PS), it is the Popular Democratic Party/Social Democratic Party, but Montenegro’s wing (current PM of Portugal) is neoliberal, unlike Rio’s wing that still lived up to the name social democratic.

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 15:50 collapse

Not a single traditional party in Portugal has a name that matches the political ideology the practice:

  • The “Socialist Party” (PS) one of the two dominant “center” parties is Neoliberal (as seen from their love for Privatisation and “Free Markets”).
  • The “Social Democrat Party” (PSD) the other dominant “center” party is slightly more Neoliberal (roughly similar to the US Democrat Party mainstream, so PSD is actually to the Right of the Progressives in the US)
  • The “Communist Party” (PC) love Putin, a Fascist and even their “leftwing” thinking is little more than Soviet Union slogans.
  • The “Social and Democratic Center” (CDS) are the conservatives which in Portugal means the yearn for the previous regime (which were the Fascists)

Like in pretty much all other countries in the West the Overtoon Window has shifted rightwards, though even at the very beginning right after the Revolution in 1974 that overthrew the Fascist Dictatorship, the Socialist Party were never Socialists (it was the Communist Party that wanted a Revolution Of The Proletariat, not the Socialist Party) and similarly the Social Democrat Party was never Social Democrat (for example, they voted against the creation of a National Health Service in Portugal, the exact opposite of the Social Democrat ideals).

Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 15:21 collapse

Would be funnier if it was Putin.

Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca on 31 Aug 18:33 next collapse

Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, the president of Portugal

sundray@lemmus.org on 31 Aug 22:04 collapse

Portugal the country, or Portugal the Man?

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 31 Aug 22:38 collapse

Having been to a Portugal the Man concert, I’m certain them too.

mgnome@piefed.social on 31 Aug 18:42 next collapse

Fun fact: Xi today couldn't be assed to greet Pooty personally at an airport and sent deputy finance minister instead.

Compare that to how Taco Don received Pooty.

Linktank@lemmy.today on 31 Aug 19:03 next collapse

What, they didn’t have chinese soldiers on hands and knees rolling out a red carpet?

[deleted] on 31 Aug 20:34 collapse
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bumblefumble@mander.xyz on 31 Aug 20:37 next collapse

They are making fun of Americans?

Linktank@lemmy.today on 31 Aug 20:37 next collapse

I’m making fun of americans you smoothbrain.

umb_official@lemmy.ml on 31 Aug 20:46 collapse

My bad lol I read that as you making fun of chinese soldiers

Linktank@lemmy.today on 01 Sep 01:20 collapse

.ml users try not to be a fucking idiot challenge: IMPOSSIBLE!

umb_official@lemmy.ml on 01 Sep 11:16 collapse

Nah just me in this one moment, .ml is where its at. I read some real sinophobic shit earlier by other users and it was a long day when I read your comment thinking it was in bad faith, like I said my apologies.

archonet@lemy.lol on 31 Aug 21:36 next collapse

.ml users try not to play the victim challenge: impossible

umb_official@lemmy.ml on 31 Aug 22:34 collapse

I literally said I was in wrong here, I’m not playing victim lol

Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works on 31 Aug 21:42 next collapse

They’re not from world though?

Tryenjer@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 09:41 collapse

That guy is saying that Trump received Putin (a supposed enemy) with pomp and circumstance, demeaning himself as if Putin were his boss (maybe he really is), while Xi, despite being an ally of Putin, received him like any other leader without demeaning himself or his country. There is nothing sinophobic that the other user said, quite the opposite.

saimen@feddit.org on 02 Sep 08:44 collapse

So Putin is a Chinese asset?

FerretyFever0@fedia.io on 31 Aug 19:09 next collapse

Look, it's not the 1600s. Idk if I'd call Portugal a major world power. I'd never heard the man's name before this. Anyways, yeah, that definitely happened.

wewbull@feddit.uk on 31 Aug 19:34 next collapse

He’s head of a western european state of 10M people. Portugal is mid-tier when it comes to most metrics In the EU, but they’re not no-one.

FerretyFever0@fedia.io on 31 Aug 19:38 collapse

Yeah, that's what I mean. I feel the same about Spain. Brazil is significantly more relevant than Portugal. They're no Luxembourg, but they're not Australia either.

orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 31 Aug 22:24 next collapse

Except being a LatAm country, they’re dismissed by the west.

FerretyFever0@fedia.io on 31 Aug 22:34 collapse

You'd think so, and to an extent, you're right. But I hear about it quite a bit, more positive than negative. Portugal? Nope. Nothing. I'm not sure I could name a person or fictional character from Portugal. Brazil, I know at least a few.

orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 31 Aug 23:49 next collapse

Captain Rodriguez from Shōgun immediately came to mind for me. I prefer John Rhys-Davies’s version over the newest on-screen rendition.

FerretyFever0@fedia.io on 01 Sep 00:17 collapse

I looked that up, since I've never heard of it, apparently he was Portuguese in that version, but he was turned Spanish in the most recent version. Damn, stealing the Portuguese rep they need. I'd like to know more about modern Portugal. I'll probably do a little bit of research today.

wewbull@feddit.uk on 01 Sep 08:04 collapse

No, still Portuguese. The show opens with a explainer saying the Spanish went west and Portuguese went east due to the church decreeing how the world would be split amongst the two countries.

Spaniards were half a world away.

0x0@lemmy.zip on 01 Sep 09:12 collapse

I’m not sure I could name a person or fictional character from Portugal.

You’ve never heard of Cristiano Ronaldo? I’m impressed, lucky you.

FerretyFever0@fedia.io on 01 Sep 14:07 collapse

I don't keep track of Football, I didn't know he was from there. Unfortunately, he was one of the two living people on the list of Portuguese people I'd ever heard the name of, the other individual being Shawn Mendes, who was raised in Canada. I also knew two dead ones, Magellan and Vasco de Gama. Which are from when Portugal was more of a world power. I recognized the names of 6 famous Brazilians.

elucubra@sopuli.xyz on 01 Sep 08:41 collapse

You may feel that Spain is in the same league as Portugal, but by most metrics, it’s objectively not. It’s one of the EU’s big 4, a top 20 economy, the world’s 8th largest arms exporter, etc. Not a superpower, but definitely a power.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 31 Aug 20:05 next collapse

If an American doesn’t say, “Who?” when you say their name, then they’re a world power.

FerretyFever0@fedia.io on 31 Aug 20:27 next collapse

I feel like most Americans might remember the name from history class, but that's about it.

0x0@lemmy.zip on 01 Sep 09:13 collapse

Muricans have history classes?

Tryenjer@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 09:46 next collapse

Muricans have classes? In schools? I heard Trump ended it.

saimen@feddit.org on 02 Sep 08:57 collapse

Murica still exists?

FerretyFever0@fedia.io on 01 Sep 13:45 next collapse

Yes, we do. Most aren't very good. But they do exist.

Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 15:13 collapse

Due to budget cuts, it’s only story classes now.

whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 31 Aug 20:28 collapse

Never heard of the guy

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 31 Aug 20:49 collapse

Portugal? You’ve never heard of the place?

whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 31 Aug 21:13 next collapse

Did I say place?

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 08:32 collapse

I’ve only heard of Jamón ibérico.

D_C@sh.itjust.works on 01 Sep 08:59 next collapse

I must ask, why did you focus on Portugal part of this article?
Surely the most important part is that a world leader called another world leader a russian asset?

FerretyFever0@fedia.io on 01 Sep 13:44 collapse

Probably because I heard about the news several days ago. I appreciate it though.

0x0@lemmy.zip on 01 Sep 09:10 next collapse

Idk if I’d call Portugal a major world power.

Clickbait title.

Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 15:11 collapse

That’s why they used this term. If it were any place that you would unquestionably call a major world power, then they would have used the name on the title.

mitram2@lemmy.pt on 31 Aug 19:57 next collapse

I would like to point out to everyone underestimating Portugal’s influence in world politics that, while I agree it hasn’t been a military or economic major power in centuries, it has great diplomatic outreach:

  • Part of the EU and has been used as an example of how to handle drug abuse
  • Part of CPLP which seeks to align the interests of all Portuguese speaking countries (in Europe, South America, West and East Africa and Oceania)
  • Vast naval territory in the Atlantic and the Azores which have hosted a US military base for decades
  • Good relations with China especially after the return of Macau
  • The current secretary general of the UN is an old portuguese Prime Minister

So while no longer a major country, it still has sway on how relations between some countries develop

Cyclist@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 21:17 collapse

Also the Anglo-Portuguese treaty of 1373. Still in effect today. This isn’t a nothing treaty, according to Wikipedia it was activated during the Falklands war. Though Great Britain may not be the power they once were, they still have sway with a lot of the world. I don’t really know where I’m going with this other than to say Portugal has friends.

0x0@lemmy.zip on 01 Sep 09:09 collapse

Portugal has friends.

Countries have no friends/allies, they have interests.

Tryenjer@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 09:35 collapse

Yes, but in our history we have had more interests in common with the British than different ones, especially as far as mainland Portugal is concerned.

0x0@lemmy.zip on 01 Sep 09:38 next collapse

True, oldest treaty in the world yadda-yadda, don’t hold your breath if you think Starmer would give two shits about Portugal if it advances his own fascist agenda.
The British citizens do have good relations with Portugal, just ask anyone in the Algarve.

Tryenjer@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 09:47 collapse

To be honest I doubt Montenegro would care about the British either.

He was furious with Marcelo because he wanted to go unnoticed (he doesn’t really have a defined international policy) and soon started receiving calls from the White House.

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 16:04 collapse

I’ve lived in Britain for a decade.

They couldn’t care less about Portugal or the Portuguese and in general they see the Portuguese as just another bunch of Southern Europeans and their view of Southern Europeans is highly prejudiced in a negative way.

We’re a puny little shitty shit country from their point of view, an impression reinforced by Portuguese Politicians bending over backwards and licking the arses of the British elites.

Like Britain is the “poodle” to America so is Portugal to Britain only even worse.

There’s still a lot of dumb provincialism in Portugal when it comes to foreigners, especially amongst Portuguese Politicians and especially towards larger European nations such as Britain.

(Mind you, this outburst of Marcelo is pretty healthy in that sense and gives me hope that maybe that’s changing, and I don’t even like the guy).

The real specific qualities of Portugal have nothing to do with those delusions that past or present great powers are “friends” of Portugal.

MourningDove@lemmy.zip on 31 Aug 23:19 next collapse

You all remember the Cabal from The Blacklist. I guarantee you this shit is not made up. He called him a Russian asset not because it is how it appears, he called him that because it’s a fact. And all the world leaders know it.

k0e3@lemmy.ca on 01 Sep 00:14 next collapse

I was expecting that leader to be Putin like, “yeah, he’s my bitch.”

ms_lane@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 11:08 collapse

Xi wouldn’t like that.

Trump is Putin’s, but

Putin is Xi’s.

HubertManne@piefed.social on 01 Sep 00:42 next collapse

Wait is truth in again? did I miss something?

Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club on 01 Sep 08:26 next collapse

Ok, but at some point Trump is just gonna say that exact thing, right?

Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub on 01 Sep 08:58 next collapse

They know a duck when they see one, and he ain’t no duck! He’s a fascist.

0x0@lemmy.zip on 01 Sep 09:25 next collapse

Ok, “major world leader” is clickbait, they could’ve just said Portuguese President.

While i wouldn’t describe Portugal as major, it isn’t irrelevant either: early member of the EU (was the ECC back then), treaties with a lot of countries (Brazil being one on account of being an ex-colony and sharing the language), founding member of NATO, emigrant communities all over the world (US included), a few high-ranking politicians are Portuguese (President of the European Council António Costa, secretary-general of the UN António Guterres, ex-president of the European Comission Durão Barroso who now works for Goldman Sachs…). There’s also that Cristiano Ronaldo guy.
The US also has a military base in a Portuguese island in the Atlantic.

Why this fascist fuck who likes taking selfies with his voters decided to criticize another fascist fuck is a mystery to me though…

Potatar@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 12:09 next collapse

Here we see a homo sapiens partaking in Whataboutism. He thinks bad stuff cancel each other out.

He also thinks unless you are a “VERY NICE AS A PERSON” master chef, you cannot critize food since what would you know, with your personality?

vxx@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 14:24 next collapse

Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa is center-right, so more alligned with the democrats in the US, not with the Neonazi party that calls themselves conservative.

I wouldn’t vote him, but calling him a fascist is pretty far off reality.

Why do you mention so many people but not him? Wtf does Ronaldo have to do with anything?

0x0@lemmy.zip on 01 Sep 14:52 collapse

Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa is center-right, so more alligned with the democrats in the US, not with the Neonazi party that calls themselves conservative.

That “center” is pulling some severe weight. PSD aligns with the EPP (along with CDS). If you call that center you must work for the mainstream media.

I wouldn’t vote him, but calling him a fascist is pretty far off reality.

The guy whose godfather was Marcelo Catano? Really?

Why do you mention so many people but not him? Wtf does Ronaldo have to do with anything?

Not him who? The current Portuguese President? First sentence.
Ronaldo is a well-known Portuguese person, hence the mention.

zenitsu@sh.itjust.works on 01 Sep 18:11 collapse

The guy who’s godfather was Marcelo Catano? Really?

Who your godfather is determines if you’re a fascist? lmao

EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 23:37 next collapse

Also not like it matters, but whose

0x0@lemmy.zip on 02 Sep 11:44 collapse

Thx

Tryenjer@lemmy.world on 02 Sep 11:30 collapse

Our last king was a republican. That guy is getting a little carried away.

Tryenjer@lemmy.world on 02 Sep 11:28 collapse

Marcelo is a neoliberal, a bit more socially conservative. In America current political landscape he would still be closer to democrats like Newsom.

melsaskca@lemmy.ca on 01 Sep 11:59 next collapse

I think every world leader worth their salt knows trump kowtows to putin. Portugal got to say it out loud. I’m buying some of their wine this weekend.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today on 01 Sep 14:47 next collapse

Completely irrelevant, but I live in an area with a lot of Hispanic and Brazilian people, and I overheard this conversation in the grocery store between a mom and her elementary school age daughter, and the little girl said:

“Yeah, she has a crush on him, but he doesn’t speak Spanish, he speaks Pork-a-cheese.”

It makes me laugh every time I think about it, and every Spanish person that I tell it to cracks up.

ScienceGuy722@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 15:51 next collapse
whoisearth@lemmy.ca on 02 Sep 02:45 next collapse

I live in southwest Ontario and in Strathroy there’s a large Portuguese community and our small town caker asses call them “pork and cheese”. They take it in stride lol

icelimit@lemmy.ml on 02 Sep 07:57 collapse

Who has a crush on him?

brem@sh.itjust.works on 02 Sep 08:13 collapse

No shit, Sherlock.

They picked the ugliest, nastiest motherfucker to keep us distracted.

Agent Fuckfaced Krasnov.

Dasus@lemmy.world on 02 Sep 11:33 collapse

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brem@sh.itjust.works on 02 Sep 15:00 collapse

Joke is on you Nikki; I pissed on your burial site. Good luck pissing on my corpse, petulant bag o’ bones!!!

Akasazh@lemmy.world on 02 Sep 15:43 collapse

I’m pretty sure the joke is on the US electorate instead.