I really hope that Iran doesn’t fall for it again. There’s no reason to trust anything that the US agrees to. As a nation, we have zero allegiance to our word. We are an entirely malevolent, two faced actor. If they reach some kind of agreement at this summit, I hope that Iran is just doing it as a stalling mechanism so that they can make strategic moves like actually acquiring nukes.
I hope that Iran is just doing it as a stalling mechanism so that they can make strategic moves like actually acquiring nukes.
A major reason we had this war was Iran enriching Uranium for nukes. No country but Iran wants Iran to have nukes, least of all their immediate neighbors. Iran continuing to go for nukes in the future ensures this war happens again.
The reason for the war is that the petrodollar is in decline, it’s the same reason they kidnapped Maduro. They can’t have so much oil being traded outside of dollars without the dollar, itself, losing value as a reserve currency.
Nukes were never on the table. WMDs are used as propaganda cooked up by people who want to trick you into supporting wars for oil.
The reason for the war is that the petrodollar is in decline
This isn’t a competing idea. In fact, this idea goes quite well with my point.
Nukes were never on the table.
Nukes are a major reason Israel was part of this (you certainly can’t argue Israel cares about the status of USD), and Israel being part of it was a major reason the US was. If you recall, shortly before the war, the US specifically struck Iranian nuclear enrichment and storage facilities.
Even if the US didn’t do anything in the future, others (most notable Israel) would put Iran’s nuclear ambitions back. No other country, least of all their neighbors, wants Iran to have nukes. Thus, Iran continuing to push for nukes ensures this war happens again.
Israel cares because USA cares and they want to keep their daddy happy. With the support of USA, Israel can keep slaughtering innocents as much as they like. Israel would love to have nukes themselves, they want to be a military world power (you know, so they can keep committing crimes against humanity).
Israel is the 51st state, of course it cares about the status of USD. It’s like Biden said; “Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.” Israel also cares that Iran is part of the Axis of Resistance, along with Hezbollah and Hamas and Ansar Allah, and it has been an important ally for them in their struggle. Iran is in the way of Greater Israel, not because it’s a nuclear threat, but because of drones and rockets and missiles.
Iran’s only nuclear ambitions are for electricity and for the ability to synthesize certain nuclear byproducts for medical and industrial purposes, they have never had an interest in nuclear weapons. Iran never pushed for nukes, it’s a lie made up to trick you.
Iran never pushed for nukes, it’s a lie made up to trick you.
“In February 2023, the IAEA reported having found uranium in Iran enriched to 84%…the Iranians have been openly enriching uranium to 60% purity, a breach of the 2015 nuclear deal.” Source that also contains a shitload more details and sources out the ass.
You generally enrich to 3% - 5% for nuclear reactors, with some designs asking for up to 20%. Iran enriching Uranium to 60% and 84% isn’t for reactors…
How can the be “in breach” of a deal that Trump withdrew from? Why should they abide by a deal that is already defunct?
Their high level enrichment was insurance, in case the US and Israel proved that they could never be negotiated with and they needed to start pursuing a nuclear bomb. But, they hadn’t started yet and they had no plans to pursue nuclear weapons unless they were forced to; it sure looks like that’s what Trump has done. I won’t be surprised if Iran tests a nuclear bomb in the next few years, possibly much sooner.
I’m not going to comment on the veracity of it all, other than to say that I love that Iran’s nuclear secrets are guarded by shift workers, and that nobody was on the night shift, leaving Mossad a window to get in, torch the safes, and get out, before Allied Security showed up in the morning.
SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Apr 23:27
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Claims about Iran having nukes ready soon have gone on for decades. Khameneyi 1 was very against them.
As for who wants Iran to have nukes, I do, and I hate the government with all my heart.
I want them to have nukes because I don’t see the regime going away, at least while Israel and USA exist, and nation-states, especially those two, only language they know is extreme violence. Of course, if we lived in a historical vacuum divorced from patriarchy I’d want no one to have mikitary grade weapons at all, let alone nukes.
My conspiracy theory is that Iran doesn’t and won’t need nukes. They can just go along with the lies that they already have them. There’s probably a reason they don’t though.
Iran not getting nukes ensures that this war will happen again too. The only ways to keep sovereignty in the face of imperialists are:
Be economically irrelevant (a-la Cuba)
Kick their ass in a land war so hard that they are scared to even try (a-la Vietnam)
Have nukes (a-la North Korea)
If you don’t have any of those three you’re bound to be coup’d by US-backed fascists at some point, see: history of South America and West Asia.
Iran has oil and control over the straight of Hormuz, so (1) is out of the question. (2) is more likely but I’m not sure if the US leadership is dumb enough yet to just go head first into another land war in asia, and in any case this would lead to hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. This leaves us with (3) as the most viable strategy.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org
on 11 Apr 23:54
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And the moment they have a nuke and show it off, all hell will break loose. So unless they pull back from Hormuz and cede it either to a US-led coalition or somehow draw the USA into a land war, it will happen again and it will happen again soon.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 12 Apr 00:09
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The moment Iran shows they have a nuke, the US will enter peace talks and Israel will be forced by the US to stop its imperialist expansion and terror campaigns.
The reason Pakistan isn’t a smoldering crater is because they have nukes. The reason India is only loosely used as slave labor by the US instead of directly is because they have a nuke. The reason Korea isn’t fully occupied is because they have a Nuke.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org
on 12 Apr 00:37
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When we had leaders who understood and valued soft power, sure. But that isn't the way the USA is operating at this moment. Those other nations aren't in the condition they're in because of their nukes, it's because it's more profitable to keep things as they are.
Nukes are the epitome of hard power tho. There is very little need to understand anything apart from “if I bomb that country, they nuke me (or, in this case, israel)”. I’m sure the financial markets would not appreciate a nuclear war either, so the profit incentive is there too.
And the moment they have a nuke and show it off, all hell will break loose
As you can see, all hell has been broken loose for them already even though they don’t have nukes and weren’t planning on making them. I think it’s time they armed themselves against the aggressors, with the only weapon those aggressors actually fear.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
on 12 Apr 05:50
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north korea has CHina to help them shield them from the west. also western countries dont seem keen on attacking asian countries, probably because most of our PRODUCTS come form asia.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io
on 12 Apr 02:54
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Their neighbors across the strait are all one sect of muslims, and Iran is a different sect of muslims.
The reason they want Iran eliminated as a regional power is that they can be the singular regional power and fuck over other sects of muslims like they did to Yemen.
Based on the belligerence and untrustworthiness of the global hegemon (the US) and its client state (Israel), getting nukes is the only rational move for smaller countries like Iran. That is the environment that we have cultivated.
Given how outrageously aggressive Israel is in this region, another nuclear power would be an effective check and probably usher in a new era of peace in the region.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 05:00
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Why would you ever and I mean ever believe the trump administration about anything? They don’t even believe this excuse, as evidenced by the rotating list of vague reasons they’ve given for this unjust war.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml
on 12 Apr 05:03
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Bruh the world is ready to crowdfund nukes for Iran.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
on 12 Apr 05:48
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that has been a lie since netanyahu since the late 90s, and bush the early 2000s it never has been true.
A major reason we had this war was Iran enriching Uranium for nukes.
Nope, that’s entirely Israeli and American propaganda, all experts agree that Iran was NOT making nukes, and they are NOT enriching uranium to be weapons grade.
Yep. Other countries would attack Saudi Arabia if they enriched Uranium past reactor-grade. As you said, other countries don’t want Saudi Arabia having nukes.
Edit: Hell, even enriching just up to reactor-grade might be enough, as other countries would suspect they are going further. It’s one of the reasons many countries with reactors buy their Uranium from others and submit to regular checks. They don’t want any doubt about what the fuel is for.
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I really hope that Iran doesn’t fall for it again. There’s no reason to trust anything that the US agrees to. As a nation, we have zero allegiance to our word. We are an entirely malevolent, two faced actor. If they reach some kind of agreement at this summit, I hope that Iran is just doing it as a stalling mechanism so that they can make strategic moves like actually acquiring nukes.
A major reason we had this war was Iran enriching Uranium for nukes. No country but Iran wants Iran to have nukes, least of all their immediate neighbors. Iran continuing to go for nukes in the future ensures this war happens again.
The reason for the war is that the petrodollar is in decline, it’s the same reason they kidnapped Maduro. They can’t have so much oil being traded outside of dollars without the dollar, itself, losing value as a reserve currency.
Nukes were never on the table. WMDs are used as propaganda cooked up by people who want to trick you into supporting wars for oil.
This isn’t a competing idea. In fact, this idea goes quite well with my point.
Nukes are a major reason Israel was part of this (you certainly can’t argue Israel cares about the status of USD), and Israel being part of it was a major reason the US was. If you recall, shortly before the war, the US specifically struck Iranian nuclear enrichment and storage facilities.
Even if the US didn’t do anything in the future, others (most notable Israel) would put Iran’s nuclear ambitions back. No other country, least of all their neighbors, wants Iran to have nukes. Thus, Iran continuing to push for nukes ensures this war happens again.
Israel cares because USA cares and they want to keep their daddy happy. With the support of USA, Israel can keep slaughtering innocents as much as they like. Israel would love to have nukes themselves, they want to be a military world power (you know, so they can keep committing crimes against humanity).
Israel is the 51st state, of course it cares about the status of USD. It’s like Biden said; “Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.” Israel also cares that Iran is part of the Axis of Resistance, along with Hezbollah and Hamas and Ansar Allah, and it has been an important ally for them in their struggle. Iran is in the way of Greater Israel, not because it’s a nuclear threat, but because of drones and rockets and missiles.
Iran’s only nuclear ambitions are for electricity and for the ability to synthesize certain nuclear byproducts for medical and industrial purposes, they have never had an interest in nuclear weapons. Iran never pushed for nukes, it’s a lie made up to trick you.
“In February 2023, the IAEA reported having found uranium in Iran enriched to 84%…the Iranians have been openly enriching uranium to 60% purity, a breach of the 2015 nuclear deal.” Source that also contains a shitload more details and sources out the ass.
You generally enrich to 3% - 5% for nuclear reactors, with some designs asking for up to 20%. Iran enriching Uranium to 60% and 84% isn’t for reactors…
How can the be “in breach” of a deal that Trump withdrew from? Why should they abide by a deal that is already defunct?
Their high level enrichment was insurance, in case the US and Israel proved that they could never be negotiated with and they needed to start pursuing a nuclear bomb. But, they hadn’t started yet and they had no plans to pursue nuclear weapons unless they were forced to; it sure looks like that’s what Trump has done. I won’t be surprised if Iran tests a nuclear bomb in the next few years, possibly much sooner.
I’m not going to comment on the veracity of it all, other than to say that I love that Iran’s nuclear secrets are guarded by shift workers, and that nobody was on the night shift, leaving Mossad a window to get in, torch the safes, and get out, before Allied Security showed up in the morning.
Claims about Iran having nukes ready soon have gone on for decades. Khameneyi 1 was very against them. As for who wants Iran to have nukes, I do, and I hate the government with all my heart. I want them to have nukes because I don’t see the regime going away, at least while Israel and USA exist, and nation-states, especially those two, only language they know is extreme violence. Of course, if we lived in a historical vacuum divorced from patriarchy I’d want no one to have mikitary grade weapons at all, let alone nukes. My conspiracy theory is that Iran doesn’t and won’t need nukes. They can just go along with the lies that they already have them. There’s probably a reason they don’t though.
Iran not getting nukes ensures that this war will happen again too. The only ways to keep sovereignty in the face of imperialists are:
If you don’t have any of those three you’re bound to be coup’d by US-backed fascists at some point, see: history of South America and West Asia.
Iran has oil and control over the straight of Hormuz, so (1) is out of the question. (2) is more likely but I’m not sure if the US leadership is dumb enough yet to just go head first into another land war in asia, and in any case this would lead to hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. This leaves us with (3) as the most viable strategy.
And the moment they have a nuke and show it off, all hell will break loose. So unless they pull back from Hormuz and cede it either to a US-led coalition or somehow draw the USA into a land war, it will happen again and it will happen again soon.
The moment Iran shows they have a nuke, the US will enter peace talks and Israel will be forced by the US to stop its imperialist expansion and terror campaigns.
The reason Pakistan isn’t a smoldering crater is because they have nukes. The reason India is only loosely used as slave labor by the US instead of directly is because they have a nuke. The reason Korea isn’t fully occupied is because they have a Nuke.
When we had leaders who understood and valued soft power, sure. But that isn't the way the USA is operating at this moment. Those other nations aren't in the condition they're in because of their nukes, it's because it's more profitable to keep things as they are.
It’s more profitable to not have a nuclear exchange.
Nukes are the epitome of hard power tho. There is very little need to understand anything apart from “if I bomb that country, they nuke me (or, in this case, israel)”. I’m sure the financial markets would not appreciate a nuclear war either, so the profit incentive is there too.
As you can see, all hell has been broken loose for them already even though they don’t have nukes and weren’t planning on making them. I think it’s time they armed themselves against the aggressors, with the only weapon those aggressors actually fear.
north korea has CHina to help them shield them from the west. also western countries dont seem keen on attacking asian countries, probably because most of our PRODUCTS come form asia.
Their neighbors across the strait are all one sect of muslims, and Iran is a different sect of muslims.
The reason they want Iran eliminated as a regional power is that they can be the singular regional power and fuck over other sects of muslims like they did to Yemen.
The Saudis and Gulf States are Sunni, not Shia.
Based on the belligerence and untrustworthiness of the global hegemon (the US) and its client state (Israel), getting nukes is the only rational move for smaller countries like Iran. That is the environment that we have cultivated.
Given how outrageously aggressive Israel is in this region, another nuclear power would be an effective check and probably usher in a new era of peace in the region.
Why would you ever and I mean ever believe the trump administration about anything? They don’t even believe this excuse, as evidenced by the rotating list of vague reasons they’ve given for this unjust war.
Bruh the world is ready to crowdfund nukes for Iran.
that has been a lie since netanyahu since the late 90s, and bush the early 2000s it never has been true.
Pakistan literally sold them the uranium enrichment technology bruh.
Even ignoring the ridiculousness of this comment, they got their jumpstart thanks to their immediate neighbor.
Nope, that’s entirely Israeli and American propaganda, all experts agree that Iran was NOT making nukes, and they are NOT enriching uranium to be weapons grade.
If the Saudis tried enriching would you justify blowing them to hell and back too? After all nobody but them would want them to have nukes
Yep. Other countries would attack Saudi Arabia if they enriched Uranium past reactor-grade. As you said, other countries don’t want Saudi Arabia having nukes.
Edit: Hell, even enriching just up to reactor-grade might be enough, as other countries would suspect they are going further. It’s one of the reasons many countries with reactors buy their Uranium from others and submit to regular checks. They don’t want any doubt about what the fuel is for.
In which direction?
It’s the aircraft carrier that needs repairs, and apparently is moving from iran to crete.