That is inevitable. The sky will be filled with the trash of struck down satellites and nothing can leave earth for a while. Before starlink, China had already demonstrated that they can shoot down satellites. No investigation needed.
Orbits are elipses, which are loops. So after the explosion gives an object more energy it’s in a new orbit right? That orbit has LOOP. Which means it has to come back to a similar point it’s at now. Therefore if an object passes through low orbit, no one explosion can make it be in a high orbit. At best it’ll be an ellipse with a point in high orbit and a point in low orbit.
Any amount in low orbit means a decaying orbit due to drag with eventual falling out of the sky.
If you get to the high orbit point and you get a SECOND explosion that’s perfectly timed you could theoretically enter a new high orbit that’s stable over the long term and contribute to Kessler syndrome.
testaccount372920@piefed.zip
on 10 Jul 06:33
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Blowing up a low orbit satellites can lead to many particles reaching high altitudes, if only temporary as you say, where they can cause cascades. Unstable orbits make the probability of collisions smaller, but they need to shatter only one satellite to end up with a mess in stable orbits.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jul 09:46
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Space is pretty big. I understand the odds are non zero but it’s still really small in this scenario.
testaccount372920@piefed.zip
on 10 Jul 13:04
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I think it will depend on how they would disable the satellites. There’s a lot of Starlink satellites, it’s a lot of particles if they use explosives…
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
on 09 Jul 21:20
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We already have the technology if memory serves. Since civilians are the last to know, there have probably been satellite killers in orbit for years.
It’s fun for Musk to get fucked, but I believe Ukraine uses Starlink to defend itself
it_wasnt_arson@awful.systems
on 10 Jul 09:43
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It’s not even secret, there have been highly publicized tests of ground- and air-launched interceptor missiles, and a fair few tests observed by amateur astronomers where military satellites rendezvoused and closed to observation/weapons range with dummy targets. It’s very hard to hide anything that happens in orbit.
According to the authors of the concept, if the resilience of a satellite constellation is ensured by its sheer number, then the response should be a weapon cheap enough to destroy satellites faster than SpaceX can launch new ones.
Smells of the good old forgeting that the target wont just sit by
At least they arent putting everything in one basket this time with physical destruction being the last option
Whats a satellite constallation destroyer but a anti ICBM weapon under a diffrent name?
darthsundhaft@piefed.social
on 09 Jul 23:25
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Nobody wanted them up there in the first place. Please fucking do.
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca
on 10 Jul 00:08
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The one time I’m actually going to root for Russia and China.
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jul 00:15
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And so the star wars begins.
Phantaloons@piefed.zip
on 10 Jul 02:48
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Yay! but the Ukraine war effort Boo! but less space junk! Yay! but all those just… normal Starlink customers who need internet Boo! but fuck Musk! Yay!
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Space wars?
Sorry, space is closed.
That is inevitable. The sky will be filled with the trash of struck down satellites and nothing can leave earth for a while. Before starlink, China had already demonstrated that they can shoot down satellites. No investigation needed.
Even the worst Kessler syndrome scenarios don't stop new satellites from being launched through the debris-containing altitudes to reach clear orbits.
Yay!
Kessler Syndrome! Kessler Syndrome! Kessler Syndrome!
/s
Low Earth orbit means that the debris will get dragged down by the atmosphere before it becomes a cascading problem. Thankfully.
Assuming none of the debris gets pushed into higher orbits.
Orbits are elipses, which are loops. So after the explosion gives an object more energy it’s in a new orbit right? That orbit has LOOP. Which means it has to come back to a similar point it’s at now. Therefore if an object passes through low orbit, no one explosion can make it be in a high orbit. At best it’ll be an ellipse with a point in high orbit and a point in low orbit.
Any amount in low orbit means a decaying orbit due to drag with eventual falling out of the sky.
If you get to the high orbit point and you get a SECOND explosion that’s perfectly timed you could theoretically enter a new high orbit that’s stable over the long term and contribute to Kessler syndrome.
Blowing up a low orbit satellites can lead to many particles reaching high altitudes, if only temporary as you say, where they can cause cascades. Unstable orbits make the probability of collisions smaller, but they need to shatter only one satellite to end up with a mess in stable orbits.
Space is pretty big. I understand the odds are non zero but it’s still really small in this scenario.
I think it will depend on how they would disable the satellites. There’s a lot of Starlink satellites, it’s a lot of particles if they use explosives…
So we can directly pollute the upper atmosphere with heavy metals? I’m sure that’s a good thing. /s
Who needs GPS and climate data anyway, right?
GPS is comically higher than starlink.
I’d be much more worried about a direct attack.
Yea but you still have to get the GPS satellites up there safely. I see though that it might actually not be that big of an issue of GPS.
Yes, but a screen of tiny reflective particles spread through orbit between the Earth and the GPS satellites might cause communication problems.
That’s not what these satellites are used for.
On the plus side, global cooling achieved through a shield of reflective debris!
Cool.
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Cool.
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Cool cool cool
Yeah! Fuck Starlink!
We already have the technology if memory serves. Since civilians are the last to know, there have probably been satellite killers in orbit for years.
It’s fun for Musk to get fucked, but I believe Ukraine uses Starlink to defend itself
It’s not even secret, there have been highly publicized tests of ground- and air-launched interceptor missiles, and a fair few tests observed by amateur astronomers where military satellites rendezvoused and closed to observation/weapons range with dummy targets. It’s very hard to hide anything that happens in orbit.
Exhibit A
Smells of the good old forgeting that the target wont just sit by
At least they arent putting everything in one basket this time with physical destruction being the last option
Whats a satellite constallation destroyer but a anti ICBM weapon under a diffrent name?
That’s great. No space for anyone.
Nobody wanted them up there in the first place. Please fucking do.
The one time I’m actually going to root for Russia and China.
And so the star wars begins.
Yay! but the Ukraine war effort Boo! but less space junk! Yay! but all those just… normal Starlink customers who need internet Boo! but fuck Musk! Yay!
I’m gonna need a drink.
How about a frozen yogurt? I call it frogurt.
I think it’s fine to get Starlink and dislike Musk.
No no one liked Carlos Slim or Sol Trujillo either.
they already have anti-satellite missiles, they just need to build alot of them. or have jamming satellites of thier own,.
eat it, musk