Ironically, it would actually be worse if JD Vance were president
EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world
on 15 Apr 02:15
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Hopefully Iran wins and Trump finishes his second term so we survive this conflict and never see a Vance presidency.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
on 15 Apr 02:19
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As if Mango Mussolini is going to let his power go without a fight.
EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world
on 15 Apr 02:31
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Trump isn’t allowed to run, so the GOP will have a primary. He’s already lost his bid for a third term law once. He’d have to get the legislation passed this year, before midterms shift the legislature to a Democrat majority. That gives him the 5 months between now and elections in November to secure the right to run again. Unlikely, not impossible.
Trump’s behavior tells us he believes this is his last term, because why else would he push all his policies so hard in such a short time. He’s kidnapped Maduro, sent ICE as a para military force to deport immigrants, attempted to annex Greenland, and joined the war in Iran. These happened rapidly and he hasn’t taken his foot off the gas since. I remember his first term when he didn’t even think he’d win and was happy to spend half of his time playing golf.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
on 15 Apr 02:35
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He’d have to get the legislation passed this year, before midterms shift the legislature to a Democrat majority.
Or launch a coup. That's also a thing that can happen. Why do you think he's filling the military with his cronies and purging minorities?
EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world
on 15 Apr 02:47
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The military is at odds with him as he is putting them into harms way and pushing them to waste resources in Iran. To the extent he’s purged someone, he’s fired very few people.
He doesn’t have the support from the military to create a junta any more than Bush jr. did after 9/11, and Bush was a scion of the Deep State, with his CIA/President father. If the secret government wanted Trump in power permanently, then they’d already have suspended democracy. At this point I assume the military is trying to talk him out of a ground invasion in Iran, because they know they’ll lose.
Trump is more likely to be purged himself than overtake the country with military force.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
on 15 Apr 08:10
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The military is at odds with him as he is putting them into harms way and pushing them to waste resources in Iran.
Source?
To the extent he’s purged someone, he’s fired very few people.
He's personally fired few people (who were however all top brass members), but his admin also banned trans people from the military and imposed facial hair standards meant to harass black people into leaving.
He doesn’t have the support from the military to create a junta any more than Bush jr. did after 9/11, and Bush was a scion of the Deep State, with his CIA/President father.
Uh... any evidence Bush even wanted to pull such a stunt?
If the secret government wanted Trump in power permanently, then they’d already have suspended democracy.
And deal with a revolution/civil war that they might actually lose? Consolidating power under the pretense of democracy is the only logical play here. And besides, the people who want this to happen aren't "secret" in any sense of the world; they're tech oligarchs like Musk and Thiel and other billionaires. They're also, you know, the almost 1/3 of the population that will back Trump in whatever he does. MAGA meets all the conditions necessary for a fascist overthrow of democracy, and their ostensible opposition barely even cares.
EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world
on 15 Apr 12:14
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Very difficult to suspend democracy without an attack on US soil, which Iran is incapable of. Considering that Trump isn’t the ideal vehicle for a dictatorship in any form, and his age would make such a reign incredibly short if by some miracle it were to occur, I think we’re safe.
If you told me a President Vance were planning to rule forever, then I’d be concerned. As things stand, the US has a lot of fascist elements, but it’s impossible for them to coalesce into a Trump dictatorship.
Trump’s cult of personality has no successor. He is MAGA, and he doesn’t have what it takes to hold a longterm autocratic government. He’s already becoming senile, just like Biden and there’s not much to be done about that, and you’re worried he’ll somehow become an immortal dictator? What even is your plan to prevent such a thing? Since fascism is here, do you even own a gun?
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Apr 13:50
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Iran is incapable of
Kash fucking Patel disbanded the team that looks for credible threats from Iran right before we started bombing the shit out of them. That’s a blatantly, obviously dangerous action and context. The only reason it’s not a straight up false flag attack is essentially a technicality, and because Iran hasn’t actually tried anything (yet).
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Apr 13:44
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You’re, uh, paying attention to the whole bit where the regime doesn’t fucking care about rules and laws and court orders, and that nobody enforces them against the regime anymore, right?
EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world
on 15 Apr 13:50
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Kind of? Judges have ruled his actions illegal and they’re being dismantled as they’re being created. His tariffs for instance have been shot down by the courts.
I really don’t like Meloni, but it takes courage to stand up against the bully with the temper of a five year old and the strongest military in the world.
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And the rest of the world is accusing Trump of being a fuckin’ idiot for joining the attacks on Iran, so…what’s worse?
Ironically, it would actually be worse if JD Vance were president
Hopefully Iran wins and Trump finishes his second term so we survive this conflict and never see a Vance presidency.
As if Mango Mussolini is going to let his power go without a fight.
Trump isn’t allowed to run, so the GOP will have a primary. He’s already lost his bid for a third term law once. He’d have to get the legislation passed this year, before midterms shift the legislature to a Democrat majority. That gives him the 5 months between now and elections in November to secure the right to run again. Unlikely, not impossible.
Trump’s behavior tells us he believes this is his last term, because why else would he push all his policies so hard in such a short time. He’s kidnapped Maduro, sent ICE as a para military force to deport immigrants, attempted to annex Greenland, and joined the war in Iran. These happened rapidly and he hasn’t taken his foot off the gas since. I remember his first term when he didn’t even think he’d win and was happy to spend half of his time playing golf.
Or launch a coup. That's also a thing that can happen. Why do you think he's filling the military with his cronies and purging minorities?
The military is at odds with him as he is putting them into harms way and pushing them to waste resources in Iran. To the extent he’s purged someone, he’s fired very few people.
He doesn’t have the support from the military to create a junta any more than Bush jr. did after 9/11, and Bush was a scion of the Deep State, with his CIA/President father. If the secret government wanted Trump in power permanently, then they’d already have suspended democracy. At this point I assume the military is trying to talk him out of a ground invasion in Iran, because they know they’ll lose.
Trump is more likely to be purged himself than overtake the country with military force.
Source?
He's personally fired few people (who were however all top brass members), but his admin also banned trans people from the military and imposed facial hair standards meant to harass black people into leaving.
Uh... any evidence Bush even wanted to pull such a stunt?
And deal with a revolution/civil war that they might actually lose? Consolidating power under the pretense of democracy is the only logical play here. And besides, the people who want this to happen aren't "secret" in any sense of the world; they're tech oligarchs like Musk and Thiel and other billionaires. They're also, you know, the almost 1/3 of the population that will back Trump in whatever he does. MAGA meets all the conditions necessary for a fascist overthrow of democracy, and their ostensible opposition barely even cares.
Very difficult to suspend democracy without an attack on US soil, which Iran is incapable of. Considering that Trump isn’t the ideal vehicle for a dictatorship in any form, and his age would make such a reign incredibly short if by some miracle it were to occur, I think we’re safe.
If you told me a President Vance were planning to rule forever, then I’d be concerned. As things stand, the US has a lot of fascist elements, but it’s impossible for them to coalesce into a Trump dictatorship.
Trump’s cult of personality has no successor. He is MAGA, and he doesn’t have what it takes to hold a longterm autocratic government. He’s already becoming senile, just like Biden and there’s not much to be done about that, and you’re worried he’ll somehow become an immortal dictator? What even is your plan to prevent such a thing? Since fascism is here, do you even own a gun?
Kash fucking Patel disbanded the team that looks for credible threats from Iran right before we started bombing the shit out of them. That’s a blatantly, obviously dangerous action and context. The only reason it’s not a straight up false flag attack is essentially a technicality, and because Iran hasn’t actually tried anything (yet).
You’re, uh, paying attention to the whole bit where the regime doesn’t fucking care about rules and laws and court orders, and that nobody enforces them against the regime anymore, right?
Kind of? Judges have ruled his actions illegal and they’re being dismantled as they’re being created. His tariffs for instance have been shot down by the courts.
Silently. In public they are smiling and nodding.
Melonis people have 2000 years of experience attacking Persia. They know better
Trump needs to learn the difference between “lacking courage” and “not being as stupid as he is”.
I really don’t like Meloni, but it takes courage to stand up against the bully with the temper of a five year old and the strongest military in the world.
He insults her nations icon and still expects her to help him move to that new apartment. /s
Meloni just ended a long-standing military agreement with Israel over their attacks on Lebanon.
Trump has clearly been told to throw shade on him.