Strikes on south Gaza: BBC verifies attacks in areas of ‘safety’ (www.bbc.co.uk)
from Pips@lemmy.sdf.org to world@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 17:04
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autotldr@lemmings.world on 01 Nov 2023 17:05 next collapse

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Since the Israeli military issued the first of several instructions for civilians to evacuate north Gaza, hundreds of thousands of Gazans have moved to the south of the strip.

To better understand the risk to civilians in south Gaza, BBC Verify has identified and analysed four specific instances of strikes in that region.

The IDF has said that it communicates with Gaza’s residents in a variety of ways, including leaflet drops, social media posts in Arabic, and warnings issued through civilian and international organisations.

On the morning of 8 October, IDF spokesperson Avichay Adrae had posted a warning on X (formerly known as Twitter) in Arabic, giving instructions to residents of various areas in Gaza to leave their homes and move elsewhere for their safety.

The map included in the tweeted video for those living in the two neighbourhoods highlights their current residencies, and is labelled with an arrow simply pointing in the direction of Khan Younis.

Social media footage of the aftermath of a strike on al-Bureij camp on 17 October shows extensive rubble, flames, and bloodied bodies being carried out of the damage.


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[deleted] on 01 Nov 2023 17:06 next collapse
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TinyPizza@kbin.social on 01 Nov 2023 17:17 next collapse

From the article:

The BBC provided specific locations and dates to the IDF for each of the strikes highlighted in the article.
We asked if these locations had been struck by IDF forces and whether warnings had been given prior to these attacks.
In its response the IDF said it "cannot provide any further information regarding these specific locations".
It said that it had "called on civilians in Gaza to move south for their safety but will continue striking terrorist targets in all parts of Gaza".

Literal terrorism on the part of Israel here.

dumdum666@kbin.social on 01 Nov 2023 18:18 collapse

If Palestinians COULD get rid themselves from Hamas, they definitely would. Israel helps the Palestinians to get rid of the Hamas cancer - this unfortunately is an brutal and awful process.

TinyPizza@kbin.social on 01 Nov 2023 18:48 next collapse

If the treatment kills you it's not the cure buddy.

samus12345@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 22:31 next collapse

Username checks out.

[deleted] on 01 Nov 2023 23:44 next collapse
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Womble@lemmy.world on 02 Nov 2023 07:21 collapse

The hamas that Israel supported to undermine the secular Fatah? And now them killing 200 civilians to kill one alledged Hamas leader is the cure? Fuck off.

steventhedev@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 18:06 next collapse

It seems disingenuous to analyze the locations without checking how many airstrikes were performed in the regions they highlighted to evacuate.

The highlighted regions are basically marked for destruction because there is a large amount of ordnance located in storage facilities, or the IDF has identified them as having many entrances to tunnel complexes. In many cases, every other house in those areas marked for evacuation has been demolished.

There have been 8000 some fatalities thus far, and it’s only thanks to telling people to evacuate that there haven’t been 80,000.

frequenttimetraveler@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 23:46 collapse

armchair reporting from hypothetical Gaza in the universe of spherical cows

Sanctus@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 21:00 next collapse

Write to your representatives, demand support for Israel be revoked. Make sure you mention the very clear genocide this is.

qnick@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 22:23 collapse

gen·o·cide /ˈjenəˌsīd/ noun the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

From what I understand, the actions of Hamas are clearly fell under this definition. Their goal is to kill all Jews. I don’t see how actions of IDF could be classified as genocide, since their declared goal is to kill the Hamas leaders, and not some nation or ethnic group.

samus12345@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 22:30 next collapse

Yes, the thousands of children they’ve killed were clearly Hamas leaders.

qnick@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 22:33 collapse

The thousands of children weren’t the aim. We can argue about was it a war crime or not, probably was. But it cannot be a genocide.

samus12345@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 22:35 collapse

I don’t really care what you want to call it, it’s mass murder. If they cared about keeping civilian casualties to a minimum, the death toll wouldn’t be this horrendous.

qnick@lemmy.world on 01 Nov 2023 22:45 collapse

I agree with you on that. From the personal perspective it doesn’t matter how you call it. However most of the officials do care about the definitions, and when you write to your representative you might want to have it in mind.

filister@lemmy.world on 02 Nov 2023 05:28 next collapse

It’s not only about textual definition, think of the moral side of this conflict and try to justify killing 50 innocents for one alleged military target and how many more civilians need to die?

qnick@lemmy.world on 02 Nov 2023 05:37 collapse

Israel really have two options at this point: either Palestinian dead kids, or Israeli dead kids. Nobody proposed a third option so far.

Why9@lemmy.world on 02 Nov 2023 07:18 collapse

With respect, what on Earth are you on about?

<img alt="Palestine hasn’t existed on Israeli maps for a while " src="https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/michael-f-brown/netanyahu-erases-palestine-maps-new-and-old">. They <img alt="said “There’s no such thing as a Palestinian people”" src="https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/21/middleeast/israel-smotrich-palestinians-intl/index.html">, and ultimately <img alt="it’s clear that Israel is trying to eradicate all Palestinians into Egypt and neighbouring countries" src="https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/20/israel-palestinians-egypt-west-bombs-rafah-border-crossing">.

Israel’s ismm actions are GENOCIDE, plain and simple. They do not recognise Palestine. The dehumanising language being used is textbook, in removing their humanity. They want all of the land to become Israel and they want all Palestinians out. Settlers on the west bank <img alt="are clearing neighborhoods of people completely unrelated to the Hamas attack, with support from the Israeli police." src="https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/21/the-most-successful-land-grab-strategy-since-1967-as-settlers-push-bedouins-off-west-bank-territory">

Was the Hamas attack genocide? They definitely intended as such; and killed over a thousand people indiscriminately with the aim of causing as much damage as possible.

But you cannot look at Israel’s actions and say what they’re doing isn’t genocide. That “this is war” is no excuse for the sheer scale of war crimes being committed.

In 2018 <img alt="innocent, peaceful protesters were being killed for sport, many of them children." src="https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newarab.com/opinion/israeli-forces-kill-palestinians-sport%3famp">. I have no confidence that the very same murderers, guiding rockets and now participating in the ground offence are any different and will have any sympathy for the Palestinians, whether it’s an elderly woman or child.

[deleted] on 01 Nov 2023 23:42 next collapse
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frequenttimetraveler@lemmy.world on 02 Nov 2023 00:32 collapse

It’s as if Israel wants to create a giant new generation of terrorists. So they can test their new weapons on them. Maybe that’s the plan in this festival of cynicism

filister@lemmy.world on 02 Nov 2023 05:25 collapse

All the more reasons for them to continue the land grab and oppression.

Hamas needs Netanyahu as much as Netanyahu needs Hamas.