CIA working to arm Kurdish forces to spark uprising in Iran, sources say
(edition.cnn.com)
from perestroika@slrpnk.net to world@lemmy.world on 03 Mar 23:11
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from perestroika@slrpnk.net to world@lemmy.world on 03 Mar 23:11
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The Trump administration has been in active discussions with Iranian opposition groups and Kurdish leaders in Iraq about providing them with military support, the sources said.
Iranian Kurdish armed groups have thousands of forces operating along the Iraq-Iran border, primarily in Iraq’s Kurdistan region. Several of the groups have released public statements since the beginning of the war hinting at imminent action and urging Iranian military forces to defect. Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has been striking Kurdish groups and said on Tuesday that it targeted Kurdish forces with dozens of drones.
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Opinion: I think this news is true. I will not tell anyone if this is good or bad news, as it could be both.
Most likely, the CIA has been repeating to Trump and Pentagon like a broken grammophone: “you cannot win by aerial bombardment alone”. It seems that now the CIA got authorization to make promises to Kurds, and have delivered weapons. Kurds however, most likely:
They are likely reluctant. According to the sources, they have asked for air support. The source cannot tell if support has been granted. US and Israeli strikes have certainly been above-average intense in Western Iran. An effective ground front might be the amount of pressure it would take to overwhelm Iran. Or maybe not.
Judging by the most recent speech by Reza Pahlavi, where he addresses all ethnic minorities and regional tribes and promises extensive safeguards to their identity and culture if a new Iran should form, I would estimate that a rift exists between Pahlavi’s faction (they want an intact but democratic Iran) and the Kurdish factions (50 million Kurds are waiting for an opportunity to set up Kurdistan, 10 million of them live in Iran - this could be a condensation nucleus that starts the formation of a country). Reza Pahlavi obviously cannot promise them that, so he’s willing to promise everything else.
As a note: Kurds will not declare statehood quickly at all - they know they must keep a low profile. They know Turkey will attack them if they declare statehood, Iraq will likely attack them, Syria has recently attacked them for mere ambitions of autonomy. They won’t declare anything, but may try to carve out a highly autonomous province and see what happens in practise.
However, they will fear being betrayed again for the umpteenth time, which may reduce their eagerness to stick their heads into fire.
And it won’t help the US break open the Hormuz strait, because there are no Kurds living there. They live in the western mountains. If Trump wants Hormuz, US soldiers will have to set their own feet on ground.
Excellent summary. The US has used and abused the Kurds over and over again. While they’d be crazy to not take their opportunity to establish some territorial autonomy, they’d have to be utter fools to trust the US not to stab them in the back again.
How our government has treated and backstabbed the Kurds in the last decade or so is an absolute travesty.
“or so” is lifting a lot there, like a couple more decades.
Not that I’m disagreeing with you; rather, a “yes, but also”. heh. :/
Win what?
Netanyahu’s approval? Doesn’t seem like there’s any plan besides that. No goals, no exit strategy, no exercises in democracy, just
1 kill all the leaders 2 ??? 3 Profit.
I imagine they think winning means installing a puppet government. That government being successful? Well that’s the next guy’s problem…
The peace prize ofcourse.
As I kurds, I think kurdistan will just benefit and serve to ISrael and USA not kurds. As wise kurd , should know that it will bring more chaos with hand of USA+Israel. Kurds should understand Greater Israel project!
Education is important.
There are two things that get brought up in this topic
The Kurds being betrayed: well there’s of course the situation where during the Syrian civil war they were coming under attack from islamist forces, not in the least ISIS, known for killing all the men and boys and raping and enslaving all the women and girls.
So do you think they have a lot of remorse that they accepted weapons, intel and air support during that time?
Of course they hoped to gain backing for their own state and the US leaving them to fend for themselves could feel like betrayal, but you’d have to weigh in the alternative to the initial ‘deal’ they got.
Wrt Iran: it’s funny that a lot of Lemmings seem to agree that the regime of Iran is horrendous. However, when the question is raised on how the Irani people can topple their dictatorship when they don’t possess any weapons, they just shrug (or start about Israel lol). And then when the first realistic opportunity pops up where the Iranian people could get weapons and could fight the regime themselves, … Well you can see the responses in your topic lol
They are now arming the Kurds, a minority of around 10 million people in a country of 90 million. That’s not going to help the resistance against the regime, if anything it’ll rip up Iran into multiple autonomous territories.
Also, do you think the people that went to the streets will keep doing that after the USA and Israel started bombing the cities, hospitals, and schools? Most likely the air strikes provoked the opposite, nothing better than an unprovoked foreign aggression to unify people.
There’s around 5m+ backing the regime, 80+ against. I don’t see how arming the Kurds is “not going to help the resistance”. Can you explain how it’s not going to help them?
Because the Kurds are living mostly in the north west bordering Iraq and Turkey, and the protesters were mostly in the big cities across the country.
So arming one ethnic group in one part of the country will most likely not lead to a revolution across the country, specially when considering that the most important concern for Kurds is to get independence a.k.a. Kurdistan, not to rule over Iran.
This can only end well…… right?
CIA has certainly never regretted arming insurgent groups, before…
And the Kurds have never regretted allying themselves with the U.S. before www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgrzd76p4lo
Surely America won’t hang them out to dry a fifth(?) time? ;p
Didnt trump betray the kurds like not that long ago?
Yes. And they will remember that. This is every single time we have interfered with Iran’s government all happening again all at once. Expect similar results.
It’s on the GOP President’s Must-Do list going back to Bush Sr:
“BuT tEh DeMoCrAtS lEfT uS sUcH a MeSs To cLeAn Up”
(Always referring to whatever fresh hell they were up to the last time they were in the seat)
cause a war- to distract from internal political turmoil: epstein files, BBB tax raises, cuts to social programs. its to distract the r voting plebs. icing on top, legislate anti-transphobic laws.
Isn’t this how we got 9/11?
That was different because it was a few years ago.
Not at all? Bin Laden was furious at Middle Eastern countries cooperating with hosting the US military and generally being friendly to the West.
If you’re talking about the ties to Mujahideen, Afghanistan was just a friendly host country since Bin Laden was seen as a problem by the Saudi royal family.
It’s how we got Rambo III.
Who had Kurds on their 2026 bingo card?
sun rises in the east US betrays the Kurds
I don’t trust a single word out of the lying imperialists’ mouth, and from what I’m hearing, Kurdish leaders about had it as well
Hey if he is willing to give em weapons, supplies and gear then they should take it all and then sit on their hands.
That would be the funniest shit
Headline should read, " Stand by for future wave of ISIS and Taliban".
We make all the bad guys! Then blame them and use them!
Look if they have such terrible judgement when it comes to allies, isn’t this really their fault?
The Kurds have never been part of ISIS or the Taliban.
No, the Kurds are the ethnicity that always sides with the US, and then the US abandons them.
Been happening since at least the 1920s.
That’s the joke.
Where have I see this movie before?
Fool me once, shame on… shame on you. Fool me—you can’t get fooled again…
Isn’t this exactly what we did that caused 9/11?
Some people learn from past actions to make better decisions, but this current administration is against learning.
Well… no
“History does not repeat, but it sure does rhyme” and wow, are Americans poets or what? Malicious, brain dead poets, but still…
If you can’t destabilise them one way, change your strategy and try again! 😞
Kurds are always happy to be used as pawns by the US
As I Kurds , I agree. Education is too important.
I think they sure were happy not to get slaughtered by ISIS
Kurds using new weapons to stage terrorist attacks in Turkey in 3… 2…
after the success of contras in nicaragua/colombia, mujahideen in afghanistan, and many other places that don’t come to mind right away, we bring you… kurds in iran! i mean trump will definetely not be around to see the long term effects, and maybe hegseth is also dead by the time it peters out, so all fine, right?
Kurds in Syria
Oh yes them too!
Oh. So that’s going to be the reason for war?
Just so we can then abandon and turn our backs on them again.
Name one time that’s backfired.
/s for the specials
Oh look, we like the Kurds again this week
John Ratcliffe is going to intentionally fuck this up and get as many Americans killed as he can trying to create a justification.
Isn’t this a remake of an 80’s movie starring Osama bin Laden?
Ok, but can we give the Kurds the lasting support and right to immigrate easily we keep promising them? They’ve been some of our greatest allies, especially in the region (actual allies unlike Israel), and we keep leaving them out to dry.