Israel hatches plan to kidnap Greta Thunberg into “terrorist-level conditions” (www.telegraph.co.uk)
from technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com to world@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 17:20
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52297348

Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israel’s national security minister, is planning to present Benjamin Netanyahu with a plan to detain the activists in harsh “terrorist-level” conditions in the Ktzi’ot and Damon detention centres for females, according to Israel Hayom, one of Israel’s biggest newspapers…

Israel Hayom quoted individuals close to Mr Ben-Gvir saying: “Following several weeks at Ktzi’ot and Damon, they’ll be sorry about the time they arrived here. We must eliminate their appetite for another attempt.”

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whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 31 Aug 17:31 next collapse

That’s just gonna make her committed.

victorz@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 17:40 next collapse

Great, because her commitment so far has been kinda “meh” 🫳

🙃

Edit: I guess the “🙃” isn’t clear enough so: /s

whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 31 Aug 17:42 next collapse

Whose is up to your standards?

sloppysol@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 17:48 next collapse

I think that must’ve been sarcasm

whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 31 Aug 17:52 next collapse

I hope so.

HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works on 31 Aug 18:04 next collapse

You never know for sure … unless they say it is.

I wish that if sarcasm is meant ppl would use the /s. It makes things so much easier.

SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works on 31 Aug 18:09 next collapse

An upside-down smiley face means nothing to you?

victorz@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 18:44 next collapse

You’d think it was obvious, but… 🤷‍♂️

imdoneinteracting@sh.itjust.works on 31 Aug 19:04 collapse

They can’t decipher sarcasm. They need well established tags to understand how to feel. If there is any uncertainty they default to interpreting it as malice, just to be safe. If you don’t want your loved ones to suffer retaliation based on uncertainty then use the established runes.

SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works on 31 Aug 19:09 collapse

I argue the tag is more obscure to a noob than an emoji.

victorz@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 21:56 collapse

I would’ve thought the same lol. The emoji is an actual depiction of a face that is doing something absurd, which should convey more than… “/s”. But I guess not. 🙃

victorz@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 18:44 next collapse

My upside-down smiley face meant nothing to you?

Here: /s…

b_tr3e@feddit.org on 31 Aug 19:56 collapse

He’s using magic symbols! A witch! BURN THE WITCH! BURN THE WITCH!

b_tr3e@feddit.org on 31 Aug 19:55 collapse

How to say “I do not have an understanding of homour and I use to hide in the basement whenever I feel the need to laugh” whithout saying it.

victorz@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 18:43 collapse

It was.

victorz@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 18:42 collapse

You would think the “🙃” would have made it obvious. 🐸

victorz@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 18:43 collapse

Sarcasm. It was sarcasm.

whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 31 Aug 20:01 collapse

👍

b_tr3e@feddit.org on 31 Aug 19:51 collapse

The irony is pretty clear - unlike the minds of that sort of commenter who’s downvoting finger is a lot (~several weeks) faster than their sarcasm detector. I feel free to say nasty things about rhese spoilsports in this place because I am pretty sure they never made it past the first sentence.

victorz@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 21:58 collapse

Thanks for the affirmation 😄

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io on 31 Aug 18:59 collapse

Seconding the other guy('s sarcasm). I don't think Greta needs any help becoming more committed.

whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 31 Aug 19:25 collapse

I’m saying…. The act would make here even more committed. The opposite of what Israel would hope for. I’m not saying she’s not very committed. It’s not a criticism of Greta, calm down ASPD

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io on 31 Aug 20:14 collapse

I know you're not criticizing her; I meant more in the sense that turning committed+ into committed++ wouldn't have much practical effect in Greta's case. Id wager that most of what she can realistically do she's already doing.

queermunist@lemmy.ml on 31 Aug 21:10 next collapse

No, actually, she could become pro-Hamas.

There are levels of commitment beyond where she’s at. This isn’t even her final form.

WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today on 01 Sep 14:46 collapse

Someome famous like her, could gather resources to fight Israel directly. No one won a war by dying for their country.

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Tattorack@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 18:10 next collapse

This would only vindicate her.

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org on 01 Sep 07:22 collapse

My guess is that these extreme right-wing politicians have their fan base in Israel who will clap (and enjoy the righteous feeling of punishing a woman who deserves it stirring their loins). And that’s who the speeches are for.

And maybe they haven’t realized that the whole world is listening to their disgusting display of savagery now.

For the sake of Palestinians I hope they figure it out soon, although it would be nice to see them walk deeper into the trap they set for themselves.

[ I got distracted. This was supposed to be a direct reply to your statement - now it’s indirect. ]

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io on 01 Sep 17:37 collapse

And maybe they haven't realized that the whole world is listening to their disgusting display of savagery now.

They know, they just don't care anymore. Same as with Nazi Germany.

NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social on 31 Aug 18:45 next collapse

Made the mistake of looking at the comments before realising it was a Telegraph article.

Balaquina@lemmy.ca on 31 Aug 18:51 next collapse

Eliminate her appetite for another attempt just means they fully intend on letting her go.

ShoeThrower@lemmy.zip on 01 Sep 01:33 collapse

It is well known that Israel engages in systematic torture of captives.

friend_of_satan@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 19:40 next collapse

“How dare she accuse us of doing evil things! We should do evil things to her as revenge.”

griff@lemmings.world on 31 Aug 20:31 collapse

“Attempting to feed starving people—the nerve of that woman!”

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org on 31 Aug 21:12 next collapse

There is something particularly disgusting about how right-wing talking heads have latched onto this fantasy of punishing Greta Thunberg, for many years now.

Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israel’s national security minister, is planning to present Benjamin Netanyahu with a plan to detain the activists in harsh “terrorist-level” conditions in the Ktzi’ot and Damon detention centres for females, according to Israel Hayom, one of Israel’s biggest newspapers.

“Following several weeks at Ktzi’ot and Damon, they’ll be sorry about the time they arrived here. We must eliminate their appetite for another attempt.”

What is wrong with these people? You can literally hear the quickening of their breath when they voice their torture fantasies like that.

The activists were also offered the chance to watch footage of Hamas atrocities from Oct 7, which they refused, according to Israel Katz, Israel’s defence minister.

I heard this one before. Like it was some sort of gotcha. Like anybody even claimed that Hamas killing people is OK.

Fucking perverts.

SulaymanF@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 23:24 next collapse

They acted the same way about Palestinian woman Ahed Tamimi. Her cousin was shot by soldiers. She confronted the soldiers and slapped one in front of reporters. The Israeli far right went wild with outrage in the days after, with op-Ed’s calling for her to be punished for the insult and made an example of, with some even saying she should be sexually humiliated, and her entire family was arrested after the pressure.

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org on 01 Sep 07:04 collapse

They acted the same way

You mean the somehow sexualized punishment fantasies?

DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 01:03 next collapse

It’s because she’s almost a child and they want to fuck her

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org on 01 Sep 07:02 next collapse

Then. But she’s just another young activist now.

genocideVoterzDie@lemmy.cafe on 01 Sep 08:04 collapse

Their hate is mostly a fetish. You see right wingers spend all their time doing what they’re told. They never accomplish anything for themself. So their onlyway of self expression is either through blind obedience to a party, a country, a religion either or through hateful transgression (pedophilia, genocide denialism,…)

UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 16:25 collapse

DING DING DING! You hit the nail on the head! I still remember the oil rig workers in the Dakotas who were giving out stickers depicting Greta being sexually assaulted. This is when she was still underage IIRC. They didn’t like her climate change activism and fantasies of grape are how they reacted to a child pushing for a better world.

Meron35@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 08:14 collapse

Ben Garrison’s comic of Greta Thunberg getting spanked (spoiler for your protection):

Spoiler

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d1f5f6ac-a7cc-4ce7-8d71-0136560853b0.webp">

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org on 01 Sep 08:21 next collapse

Yeah I know it (I sure hope you didn’t link it from his own site).

But I’ve seen worse.

Actual...

… rape fantasies drawn on stickers. Long before she even turned 18.

I mean, there’s always going to be a couple extreme assholes, but the general stance is surprisingly commonplace and they (men of course) don’t seem to realize how transparent it is.

WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today on 01 Sep 14:44 collapse

I can’t wait for all of them to burn in Earth

WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org on 31 Aug 22:44 next collapse

What’s that movie with the bowler and the Amish guy?

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 23:14 next collapse

Kingpin?

WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org on 01 Sep 19:33 collapse
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 02:31 collapse

Is anyone in A Clockwork Orange Amish?

zbyte64@awful.systems on 01 Sep 01:40 next collapse

Ahh yes, imprisoning her for the crime of showing empathy. What a bunch ghouls.

Boo@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 07:29 next collapse

So Israel is now announcing its intent to torture EU citizens?

What comes next, invading Cyprus?

Don_alForno@feddit.org on 01 Sep 08:28 next collapse

Watch as the EU will proceed to do nothing about it.

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 09:48 next collapse

They will loudly announce that in about 2 month’s time they will recognize Greta’s right not to be imprisioned but only if she stops proclaiming her innocence.

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 01 Sep 15:19 collapse

We are way too busy with Ukraine war and paying more funds for russian oil/gas than the total funds we sent to Ukraine

NotKyloRen@lemmy.zip on 01 Sep 09:02 collapse

What comes next, invading Cyprus?

Hey man, next time you’re gonna give away the plot or foreshadow, please use a spoiler tag for those who aren’t up to date this season

OboTheHobo@ttrpg.network on 01 Sep 07:31 next collapse

Ah yes, because as everyone knows the best way to stop determined activists from talking about your human rights abuses is to show them first hand your human rights abuses. I’m sure they’ll just shut up after that.

D_C@sh.itjust.works on 01 Sep 09:39 collapse

This is the “stop crying, or I’ll give you something to cry about” bad parent approach.
Next will be the “look what you’ve made me do” abusive partner approach. Classics!
It’s almost as if the Israeli government and military are abusers…

WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today on 01 Sep 14:42 next collapse

It’s almost as if violence is only stopped by violence

mojofrododojo@lemmy.world on 02 Sep 08:40 collapse

It’s almost as if violence is only stopped by violence

eh, yeah… that’s been working out great since the uk sold all that land to two different people and walked away from the shitshow.

I think we’re in a situation where we have to take the decision making power out of the hands of people guided by religious rhetoric and malignant monocultural motivation in order to see any real, lasting change.

they almost had this a few times on both sides but the religious nutbags kept assassinating them. the trick is to get secularist people who recognize a multicultural society is stronger than the alternatives, jihad and genocide.

OboTheHobo@ttrpg.network on 01 Sep 16:35 collapse

Sure, but it still seems to be like a simply stupid move on their part. They’re gonna turn one of the most influential activists of this generation from an outside observer to an eye witness

sircac@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 08:43 next collapse

We must eliminate their appetite for another attempt

instead of “it is advisable to discourage future attempts” that could be a more professional strategic tone… their language sound to me more like a mob boss in a mafia film, I am probably biased, yes, but that’s the tone I would identify among fascists rather than among objective beings handling a problem, full of passionate words as if their strength would be based on that… anyway.

Medic8teMe@lemmy.ca on 01 Sep 09:01 collapse

Seriously? More professional language…the world is fucked.

themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 09:41 next collapse

We are not torturing them, we are using enhanced interrogation techniques.

sircac@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 17:52 collapse

I am not meaning that an eufemististic neolingua substitution would improve the morality of those actions or alike, it does not change the intended purpose behind that phrase, execrable in any case.

My point goes in a different direction, highlighting their viciousness, their emotional engagement, rage and hate, not cold state machinery.

Imagine the phrase I quoted in the following context: there is an organised uprising of progrom attempts carried out by a racist centralised collective against a minority and the state wants to take actions to stop the possibility of such progrom. I cannot imagine their version being used but my example.

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 01 Sep 09:34 next collapse

I know it’s the Torygraph, and the media always use the worst possible photo when it’s people they don’t like, but come on…

They’ve made the poor girl look like Dana Carvey taking a shit.

mateofeo85@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 14:54 collapse

He-Man

ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 09:59 next collapse

You can tell how the Telegraph feels from the juvenile choice of photography that makes her look somewhat bizarre, classic right-wing rag.

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 15:09 collapse

Yeah, the photo they choose is always a great litmus test for whether or not the article will be biased in one way or another. If an article has a flattering photo, it’s probably going to be praising the subject of the photo. If it has them looking silly, (and to be clear, in this photo Greta looks like she’s failing to hold in a fat shit while she waddles to the toilet), then it’ll probably be critical of them.

crystalmerchant@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 16:26 collapse

This is meant to scare her and her people, that’s it. If they really wanted to kidnap her it sure as fuck wouldn’t be projected on the news lmao

Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Sep 16:35 collapse

Besides, kidnapping someone like Greta is bound to start massive movement and might actually force Europe to actually do something.

I doubt Israel want to stir that pot. They’ll probably scare them off again and call it a win.