UK and US airstrikes will not stop Red Sea attacks, Houthis warn
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 14 Jan 2024 10:39
https://lemmy.world/post/10697739
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 14 Jan 2024 10:39
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I can imagine airstrikes alone won’t.
I mean, if they are sourcing the missiles from outside the country, and they have a limitless number of people who can launch them, and they blend in with the populace, it’s hard to just bomb them.
I guess we’re heading towards an umpteenth Middle-Eastern occupation, maybe after the coming elections all over the West.
I know it’s not a novel idea, but maybe we should get rid of all imperialistic idiots, starting with Netanyahu, Putin and Xi.
More Libya and less Iraq.
Well, the Houthis did try to overthrow their dictatorial government, similar to Libya. It was just not supported by the west.
Not the definitions of any of those words, but you do you. So keep on believing without paying attention.
Do you think Yemen’s government was democratically elected?
Still not relevant.
So what’s the comparison with Libya?
No boots on the ground just bombs.
Wouldn’t that make the consortium of countries deposing leaders imperialistic? Don’t get me wrong I love the idea just thinking of the implications.
I guess intentions matter. If for example Putin would put a division on a boat and put it on the shore of Palestine to help out against Israel, and they are honest in their intentions to leave after, then Israel and the US would still be the imperialistic aggressor in that particular case, and Russia would be the underdog to root for.
It also would be okay for the US to support Israel if they did it while credibly threatening to cut it off as soon as Israel starts genociding people.
BTW Biden is not on my list just because in there that’s bigger than him, he would definitely make the list, along with Trump, as well as eg. Elon “we coup whoever we want” Musk, and a few hundred people who make up the US oligarchy.
In that case I’d like to subscribe to your news letter, just make sure to call out McKinsey group and Koch’s and Desantis please.
And the other big consulting firms, Murdoch, etc.
It really is a big club.
People that do not learn when touching fire, burn themselves again, often more severely.
Have these guys made any demands? I’d love to know what they think they’re going to accomplish. Or are they just being pirates for the fun of it?
They have stated their attacks are in response to Israel’s aggression in Gaza and their goal is to disrupt shipping to Israel and impact the economies of countries who support Israel.
The Houthis are backed by Iran, and have been a target of Saudi-led bombings for a decade, since they attempted to overthrow the dictatorial government there.
Are people on Lemmy actually supporting the Houthis? You know they aren’t just attacking Israeli shipping, right? If I shoot some random person but say it’s to help the orphans that doesn’t make it right.
Read again what I wrote.
Apparently stating facts is equivalent to supporting the Houthis.
Yes, I’ve noticed it here and on Reddit. I’m like, you are supporting folks that think slavery is required by Islam and calling them freedom fighters? The hypocrisy is tangible.
Oh yes, the americans with their economically required prison slavery and mass incarceration rates are such a bastian of morality in this war by comparison.
I'm not defending either side here but if i had to choose, the side defending palestine is who I'd back.
You don’t HAVE to pick a side… this isn’t team sports.
ok, Anon, all humans suck. Now I’ll repost this under every news article, so we can finally stop arguing.
Seriously who are these people downvoting this stuff?
The accusation that the Houthis support slavery comes from Saudi Arabia and shouldn’t be taken as fact. It deserves to be downvoted.
So most likely they’ll keep shooting at passing ships and they get bombed in retaliation. Oh well
The usual crock of shit about death to America and death to Israel.
Stop bombing civilians
Stop blocking humanitarian aid and food from entering Gazs
Their demands so insanely reasonable that the Houthis are collecting massive street cred.
The Houthis standing up for Humanitarian rights while America is committing genocide. We’re in for yet another year of /nottheonion.
I suggest you do a basic reading of their Wikipedia article. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement
It’s difficult to pin down their beliefs because of how often they change.
They ally with the US, then they make a slogan calling for death to the US.
They say Jewish people will live prosperously with them and their only issue is with Israel. Their slogan explicitly calls out Jews distinctly from Israel, and Al-Houthi said “Arab countries and all Islamic countries will not be safe from Jews except through their eradication and the elimination of their entity.”
They say Baha’i people are welcome. There are reports of discrimination against them.
They say women have equality and freedom and can hold office. Al Jazeera reports that women are harassed and restricted in speech.
There’s two possible conclusions we can draw. The more charitable is that it’s a very loose coalition with no centralizing authority. The less charitable is that they believe themselves to be ubermensch (as you’d put it) and adopt whatever position aids them at the time.
Either way? You really need to stop taking these things at face value. Awful people make good points. That doesn’t change that they’re awful. Among the Soviets and Nazis and Americans you’ll find that they correctly identified moral failings in each other’s societies, but not their own.
To put this another way – if someone goes on a mass shooting in a US school, and they say Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians, don’t make your first reaction to defend the mass shooter.
Edit: If I wanted to be downvoted and have what I think are good points go unaddressed, I’d go to Reddit. I at least expected Lemmy to tell me why my “good points” were actually mentally deficient.
I’m disappointed. If Lemmy no longer offers discussion with disagreement, I’m not sure that it’s all that meaningfully different from Reddit.
We’re talking about their actions at this very moment. Not them as an organization. I am saying that this action is justified, nobody here is supporting the Houthis as an organization.
If Kim Jong Un decided to block to Red Sea to support Palestinine instead of the Houthis it would be just as morally correct.
If America did it I would support it too.
It’s about getting water, food and medicine to little children who are getting their legs amputated without anesthetics as if it’s a SAW movie.
The action of attacking random ships in international waters?
This is piracy, and it puts huge numbers of civilian lives at direct risk and increases the chance someone else will also do it in future.
The entire international community has a duty to stop this by almost any means.
Their reasons for attacking civilian shipping in international waters could not be less important to the situation.
A blockade without willingness to fire (even on civilian vessels) is toothless and therefore ineffective. I’m not sure if I’d call what they’re doing a blockade tho, and their justifications linking attacked ships to Israel are… strenuous at times
It’s not a blockade as they’re no where near Israel. They don’t have the ability to enforce a blockade of Israel, just to attack random ships
This is false. The first ship they hijacked was claimed to not be israeli related but turned out to be owned by israeli businessman Rami Ungar
The second ship with bio gas supposedly only went to Italy, but later came out that after the stop in Italy it had a transport to israel planned.
I’m not going to to claim that every single ship was israeli. I have not looked into other vessel attacks since then. But at least the first big two that reached to news were in fact directly linked to israel despite initial claims that they weren’t.
The russian oil tanker?
Maybe they’re not only supporting Palestinians against israeli oppression but also the Ukranians against Russian Oppression. The unbeatable moral highground.
In all seriousness, no idea. If I were to guess they have a green list and someone forgot to put them on.See my newer commentIf its indistinguishable from random attacks to the victims and anyone else at sea the (internationally coordinated) response should be one appropriate to random attacks on sea vessels
Right after the international response appropriate to israel committing genocide of course. That obviously has far more priority for us western nations that care so much about human rights.
Actually came across it, here’s the supposed real reason:
The action of blocking humanitarian aid to millions of starving civilians in Gaza
The action of blocking medicine to hospitals in Gaza which means that little girls are having their legs sawed off without anesthetics for amputation.
The action of those little Palestinian girls having their heads shot off by an israeli tank while lying in the hospital after having their legs amputated
Those do not “put huge numbers of civilian lives at direct risk”?
But the Houthis making it so that undetectable chess-tournament cheating equipment from Alibaba arrives a month later is what actually crosses the line of “putting civilians at risk”.
Their action may have a consequence you’re a fan of, but it doesn’t mean that’s their primary goal nor objective nor even purposeful. History is full of people who claim lofty ideals they happen to align quite well with profitability, and when you examine them, you find they’re remarkably inefficient about achieving their supposed “goal”.
Ask yourself, if you had all the resources they had at your disposal, would you be doing the same things if your goal was to help Palestinians?
The Houthis answered your question themselves in this 2 minute interview www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4HguzMRW1M
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They pretty much confirmed what I was thinking. His response to very fair questions was just bluster and deflection and obfuscation.
I’m a numbers guy. I want to know the facts. This guy has given none, in addition to several demonstrable lies. Every insurgency likes to claim all the people are with them, but that seems decidedly false here. Especially considering that Yemeni Jews feel unsafe with the Houthis, and their leader said through his fascicles: “Arab countries and all Islamic countries will not be safe from Jews except through their eradication and the elimination of their entity.”
The usual stuff… lol, the downvotes…I will never understand Lemmy’s hard one for terrorist scum 🤷♂️
You’re mistaken. We don’t have a hard on for the US and Israel.
you know what ‘curse to the Jews’ means right? Those Houthis are just another bunch of degenerated fucks who wants to eradicate all other religions and especially the Jews because their ‘god is great’…
I imagine there are a lot more munitions than they have time.
Removed:
“how about if we kill all of you”
Rule 6: advocating violence
“Some real morons around here”
Rule 5: Keep it civil.
Dead Houthis don’t attack boats…so I’m pretty sure at some point it will end, sooner or later.
I would’ve been suprised if they said anything else.
“UK and US airstrikes will stop Red Sea attacks” - No Houthis ever
“You’ll win if you continue on this course”
- All great military leaders to their enemies