kyub@discuss.tchncs.de
on 28 Mar 07:43
nextcollapse
Russia is doing everything they can to destabilize NATO, Europe and the US. With and without actual war. By helping to get Trump elected and by spreading mass propaganda in social media (to get European/US people to vote for their doom) they’ve reached a lot of their goal already. And they also know that the current war in Iran isn’t making USA look good, so they are supporting its adversary so that this war can drag on for longer. If it’s negative for the US or Europe, it’s positive for Russia. Plus, it serves Russia’s economic interests because they are also a major provider of oil and gas.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml
on 28 Mar 12:12
nextcollapse
While there’s some truth to this, the perspective is all wrong. It’s pointless to hand wring about Russia when the reason they can do this successfully is that you can just buy elections in Western countries, and it’s convenient to distract from our home grown corporate/fascist movements. Sure Russia tries to support them because they are bad for Europe, but they can only do that because we allow such things in the first place. They would still exist without Russia. Maybe they would grow a little more slowly, but that’s it. Our unwillingness to confront the evils in our own society is the problem.
You can do it in all states, not just western. That’s disingenuous framing. It’s a function of large immovable structures of power. Power serves itself, and indirectly other aligned powers. USA, UK, Russia, China, Iran, UAE. Not saying they’re all equal on this, just that it happens. Whether it’s currency changing hands or just the loan of influence.
I agree though that the best ways to counter it start at home. If Russia disappeared tomorrow. Someone else would still be doing it.
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Russia is doing everything they can to destabilize NATO, Europe and the US. With and without actual war. By helping to get Trump elected and by spreading mass propaganda in social media (to get European/US people to vote for their doom) they’ve reached a lot of their goal already. And they also know that the current war in Iran isn’t making USA look good, so they are supporting its adversary so that this war can drag on for longer. If it’s negative for the US or Europe, it’s positive for Russia. Plus, it serves Russia’s economic interests because they are also a major provider of oil and gas.
While there’s some truth to this, the perspective is all wrong. It’s pointless to hand wring about Russia when the reason they can do this successfully is that you can just buy elections in Western countries, and it’s convenient to distract from our home grown corporate/fascist movements. Sure Russia tries to support them because they are bad for Europe, but they can only do that because we allow such things in the first place. They would still exist without Russia. Maybe they would grow a little more slowly, but that’s it. Our unwillingness to confront the evils in our own society is the problem.
You can do it in all states, not just western. That’s disingenuous framing. It’s a function of large immovable structures of power. Power serves itself, and indirectly other aligned powers. USA, UK, Russia, China, Iran, UAE. Not saying they’re all equal on this, just that it happens. Whether it’s currency changing hands or just the loan of influence.
I agree though that the best ways to counter it start at home. If Russia disappeared tomorrow. Someone else would still be doing it.
Russia doesn’t need to worry as Demented Donny is doing a great jobs destabilising everything by himself.
Every drone not fired at an Ukrainian playground is a positive change.
I guess if even Trump can do good things occasionally, so can Russia. Infinitesimally rare Putin W.