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We speak with Human Rights Watch researcher Milena Ansari about the organization’s new report detailing the torture of Palestinian medical workers in Israeli prisons. HRW spoke with eight doctors, paramedics and nurses who were picked up in Gaza before being transferred to the notorious Sde Teiman camp and other facilities, where they say they suffered beatings, starvation, humiliation, electric shocks and other forms of abuse.
The men also describe threats of sexual violence during brutal interrogations and seeing another prisoner bleeding after being gang-raped with an M16 rifle by three soldiers.
The findings track with other reports from researchers and survivors, and HRW has called on the International Criminal Court to investigate Israel for its attacks on healthcare workers. “We’re really ringing the alarm about the situation inside the Israeli custody and detention facilities,” says Ansari, who says evidence is mounting of a “systematic pattern of ill-treatment and abuse.”
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Amy Goodman, main host of Democracy Now!, narrated a great short about why flak organizations like MBFC are dangerous to democracy.
Flak organizations… I recently came across this term in Manufacturing Consent. 40 years later it is scary how everything in that book is still relevant today.
Well, the clip is about that very book, so unsurprisingly they share the same principal ideas.
Wow, thanks for sharing the video. Creepy as heck animations, but very apt.
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That’s an understatement…
It’s too bad the Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities in the Xinjiang region don’t have a war going on so they can have their genocide highlighted.
it would help if there was any proof at all instead of hearsay by western media
Here is the latest Amnesty has on the issue. I don’t know if it constitues genocide, but it it certainly crimes against humanity when it comes to torture and mass imprisonment
They are paid not to believe you.
everyone i disagree with is a paid shill!
Just ML and Hexbear ;)
so exactly the people you disagree with
Just like you, pooh bear 😘
People can see through the sealion.
maybe not genocide is a step down from genocide already. and when push comes to shove, its always documents written by west-sponsored institutions. never a single picture, never a single first party source, just trust me bro
Pretty sure all the reports by the human rights organizations do have primary sources, these aren’t ‘west sponsored institutions.’ Discrediting them on this is as ridiculous as Zionists who discredit their reports on Israel
You ever think about why it’s from last year, and all the articles it cites are from a year before that? While new Israeli crimes are exposed 3 times a day?
China has closed the program and opened up the region while investing heavily in its development to further help lessen negative sentiments.
In fact, today it’s such a normal and open place that they can’t even attempt to twist it anymore and just choose to ignore the region completely, hence why the articles are old.
Xinjiang has also changed from one of the more dangerous hotbeds for terrorism, to having none.
No, it’s still an ongoing problem. See the latest from Amnesty on China.
It’s no where near as bad as Israeli crimes against humanity are, but they are still crimes against humanity
There is lots of proof. You are just here to criticize western civilization. You do not care about Palestine. I can prove it: say something bad about China.
Yes that totally proves something if they don’t…
But I thought it was the Russians now not the Chinese who were pushing the stop the genocide rhetoric
Yes it does ;)
How?
Tbf it’s a pretty damned easy shit test to pass, it’s quite telling when someone won’t even take a swing.
Criticise the US government right now or you’re a CIA bot.
It’ll be quite telling if you don’t.
Everytime I’m discussing the Russian-Ukrainian war, I should demand they criticize either Russia or Ukraine (depending on which side)? That would be reasonable?
No that’s childish.
Everything is wrong with the US government.
I’d be glad to.
… to name just a few.
See, that’s how you criticize your own country when you won’t go to jail for criticizing your own country. No country is 100% perfect. All governments are bastards.
Hmm
pbs.org/…/56-protesters-arrested-after-clashes-wi… (56 people sent to jail for criticizing their countries support for a genocide during the DNC)
nbcnews.com/…/2000-people-arrested-nationwide-pal… (2000 people arrested during 3 weeks of the student protests criticising the same genocide April 17-May 2)
forbes.com/…/figures-show-stark-difference-betwee… (14,000 arrested during the BLM protests of 2020 criticising police violence)
That wasn’t about freedom of speech, that was about protesting and getting in a fight with the police. That’s a different situation. And before you get excited and think I’m siding with the police, no I’m not. If this was China, and I criticized them, they would just come into my home and arrest me and my family.
And just to make you happy, you can add that the United States has a bunch of bastards for cops. That should cover all of that stuff that you said
No, they wouldn’t lmfao. Have you literally ever set foot on the Chinese internet? People are always complaining about something, there are 1.4+ Billion People in China …they don’t have time to arrest everyone who makes criticism and if they did they would definitely have a higher prison population than the US, which they don’t despite the population difference (1.69Million/1.4Billion vs 1.8Million/333Million)
Let’s rewind…
Hmm, almost like these bastard cops who are funded and represent the government always show up when a group are seriously critical of the government and create violence as a pretense to arrest them so it’s not a different situation…
(Edit: and you did explicitly side with the police by citing their excuse for squashing the protests, you took their side, there is nothing to 'accuse" you of, criticising them in other aspects doesn’t change that)
what are you doing on the “Chinese Internet?”
Way to bypass all the substance and go right for “Wumao” or “Bot” allegations huh? Very original.
I do the same thing that 31% of Chinese people who use VPNs do on the American internet. Online tourism.
There are 1.4 Billion people in China, I am interested in their culture and trying (failing) to learn their language, going on their sites is very informative of their culture and views.
Those are your words not mine.
Send me some screenshots. Make sure they have the names of the people and their photographs without having a mask on. Because saying something anonymously, and saying it with your name on it is a lot different.
Way to try and backtrack from
So would you be arrested for criticizing China online or not?
I don’t see you posting with your name and no mask right now? Why would people post like that in China?
You are making less than no sense.
We are getting off topic.
Please say: The Chinese government is responsible for killing thousands of citizens during the Tiananmen Square massacre.
It’s just a litmus test.
We aren’t offering topic at all. The topic is censorship and if it should be expected that other parrot talking points to make us feel nice.
Apparently you forgot how this started so I’ll remind you, I’m not a parrot, from my first message.
“No that’s childish.”
This “litmus test” is also an objectively untrue statement. There was no massacre at the square. Most of the violence took place in the regions surrounding the square as there were violent armed fighters in groups attacking the troops.
Did you know that the initial wave of PLA were actually unarmed but were burned alive and lynched?
Did you know that even after the violence started many soldiers didn’t wish to use violence and the “innocent protesters” beat these people and took their weapons to kill them and others with?
Did you know one of the leaders of the movement literally called for Tiananmen to be a “massacre” and “last stand” before anything had happened? While conveniently stating they can’t be there?
…
afe.easia.columbia.edu/…/china_1950_chailing.htm
Edit: wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html
Here’s an actual eyewitness account from a foreign diplomat supporting my above statements.
wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html
lol, nice try. That’s like copy and paste response I got from another user a few days ago. You guys got like a library of responses you like to use?
Yeah, it’s called the truth. Shocker I know.
It’s like talking to the same person, with the same tone, and the same responses over and over.
Curious.
It’s like we’re in your walls 🙀
All 3 of you.
This line of reasoning may have made me even stupider.
way to shift the burden of proof there. give me that proof.
a nyt article with extraordinary claims and just pictures of random prisioners doesnt count.
What would count?
Nothing would. They’re just going to keep repeating “fake news” and disregarding any and all proof.
Right. Denial is the CCP’s go to excuse.
Wasn’t that a Shaggy song from like 20 years ago? “Wasn’t me”
actually credible first party witnesses, pictures and videos.
about the same that gets all of us mad about palestine, and which would be inevitable to exist in big quantities in the 21st century.
If this event took place in 2024, everyone would have taken photos and video and they would be instantly available to the world.
As for credible witnesses, you wouldn’t consider any witness I provide credible. You’ve been trained to argue and discredit everything, while at the same time expecting people to accept your sources.
Here are some videos. Just scrub to the end on mute, the guy’s voice is annoying. I’m sure you’ll claim all this video footage is somehow not credible. And if no credible footage existed than clearly it could have never happened. Convenient.
youtu.be/Cufi0sohVQk
There is lots of proof…that from 2017-2022 China had a program to curb terrorism in xinjiang which changed the region from a hotbed of terrorism to a place with none.
There is then proof that they… literally stopped the program after the terrorism went away, opened the region and invited the public to visit, are investing heavily on improving the infrastructure etc?
Please write :
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The difference is, western nations aren’t giving China billions of dollars for the express purpose of bombing uyghur civilians. There is still the issue of continuing trade, but then you’re getting into a game of passing the buck. The people blame the politicians who blame the corps who blame the people. Nobody wants to be the first to take responsibility for it.
I think you’ll find very few people who are against Israel’s actions but support China’s actions.
Every Lemmy.ml and every hexbear.
.ml has 50k users, and hexbear has 27k.
Assuming every single one of those people side with Palestinians and also the CCP, and are also not bots or duplicate accounts(which is absolutely not the case), that’s only 77k. Or 2.5% of the population of the U.S.
That’s very few people like I said.
And if you only go off of active users in the last 6 months(which we should given that lots of people will have made accounts, then later left due to disagreement or lack of interest), it’s only around 8k people. So again, very few people.
I think there are only a dozen actual active users on ML, owning most of those accounts. 😂
Exactly. Care first our own guilt in genocide before lecturing other countries.
We should absolutely be working on both. But the genocide of palestinians is definitely the easier one to effect at the moment.
These are incredibly important reports to publish and spread awareness of…but I kind of wish I hadn’t read them today.
Utterly disgusting.
The fuck?
No “death to anyone” comments.
Fuck Israel and their US supporters. I hope their country falls.
As a US citizen I hope my country fails too
That’s a stupid thing to hope for.
It’s more of an expression of frustration and being generally displeased than it is an actual wish.
Why would I want a militarized nation who benefits from stoking war across the world to succeed. From shipping arms to our south destabilizing all those countries so we have essentially 2nd class citizens to do our labor. To literally imprisoning people and using them as slaves and Supporting genocide. Why would I want this country to succeed.
This country was set up for oligarchs, technocrats, and monopolistic from the beginning. This country was setup to strip it of its natural resources to make people rich. Why would I want that to succeed.
I want the country to fail so its citizens won’t be complacent and comfortable. So they demand country wide change all the way to its roots. Progressiveness is nice but I am afraid they only just give us barely enough to keep us complacent
Israelis are rapists confirmed spread the word. Israeli people are rapists and protect rapists
In Israel, they protest when you get punished for r*ping Palestinians to death.
In America, they wish criminals will be sent to prison so they can be r*ped.
These are severely broken and disgusting countries that shouldn’t exist.
Some people want a better life for themselves and others
Conservatives just want a worse life for people they feel superior to