tornavish@lemmy.cafe
on 31 Oct 2025 03:54
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That’s cause the ML are good at propaganda. They will hate it when they can’t speak openly or be gay
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
on 31 Oct 2025 12:06
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I think the housing crisis, crushing capitalism and rising cost of living are having more impact than ML propaganda here. Not that a Chinese takeover would necessarily fix these things, but there's plenty of reason to be disillusioned with liberal democracy other than propaganda.
tornavish@lemmy.cafe
on 31 Oct 2025 15:53
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Well I agree, but the answer is not making it worse
Greddan@feddit.org
on 31 Oct 2025 04:42
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They should spend some time there! See how they’re treated. Certainly was an eye opener for a Taiwanese friend of mine. One China doesn’t mean one people, only under one emperor.
despite_velasquez@lemmy.world
on 31 Oct 2025 04:50
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In Taiwan, these people are called 民主二代 (second generation of democracy), oftentimes in a derogatory way, referring to a generation that came of age after Taiwan’s democratization, sometimes seen as taking democracy for granted.
I kinda half don’t blame them, they suffer from the same issues that most liberal democracies face now:
horribly low pay and worker protections, in your first year working, expect to barely have 3 holiday days offered to you
never being able to buy property in Taiwan (Taiwanese property market is insane and I could talk at lengths about it)
In this context, Taiwanese politics is a hugely partisan-tribal affair with a lot of drama. A lot of people become apathetic and just go “you can’t eat democracy” (a dig at parties that keep pushing this as their campaign slogan rather than talking about kitchen-table political issues (housing, affordability, high cost of raising kids).
palordrolap@fedia.io
on 31 Oct 2025 11:27
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... politics is a hugely partisan-tribal affair with a lot of drama
This is a problem everywhere. In fact it may well be the definition of politics.
I know this isn't particularly helpful in terms of this specific discussion (China, Taiwan, etc.), but that phrase leapt out at me and I had to call attention to it.
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That’s cause the ML are good at propaganda. They will hate it when they can’t speak openly or be gay
I think the housing crisis, crushing capitalism and rising cost of living are having more impact than ML propaganda here. Not that a Chinese takeover would necessarily fix these things, but there's plenty of reason to be disillusioned with liberal democracy other than propaganda.
Well I agree, but the answer is not making it worse
They should spend some time there! See how they’re treated. Certainly was an eye opener for a Taiwanese friend of mine. One China doesn’t mean one people, only under one emperor.
In Taiwan, these people are called 民主二代 (second generation of democracy), oftentimes in a derogatory way, referring to a generation that came of age after Taiwan’s democratization, sometimes seen as taking democracy for granted.
I kinda half don’t blame them, they suffer from the same issues that most liberal democracies face now:
In this context, Taiwanese politics is a hugely partisan-tribal affair with a lot of drama. A lot of people become apathetic and just go “you can’t eat democracy” (a dig at parties that keep pushing this as their campaign slogan rather than talking about kitchen-table political issues (housing, affordability, high cost of raising kids).
This is a problem everywhere. In fact it may well be the definition of politics.
I know this isn't particularly helpful in terms of this specific discussion (China, Taiwan, etc.), but that phrase leapt out at me and I had to call attention to it.
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