Vance calls end of Ukraine aid 'one of the proudest' achievements of Trump administration
(kyivindependent.com)
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U.S. Vice President JD Vance said on April 14 that he is proud of Washington cutting off funding to Ukraine amid Russian aggression, listing it among the Trump administration’s top achievements.
Speaking at a Turning Point USA event in Athens, Georgia, Vance recalled being confronted by a Ukrainian-American over his calls to halt funding for Ukraine.
“And this person got really agitated at me because I was saying we should stop funding the Ukraine war,” Vance said.
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Never seen someone so proud of themselves for fucking couches and killing children. Have you said thank you yet?
Nothing gives Vance a hard-on like abandoning his allies while they are being genocided. Hide your sofas, save your cushions.
If you can’t do that, start layering on some coats of Scotchgard. You’ll know it’s ready when you can pressure-wash it without darkening the upholstery.
Also, nothing gives Vance a hard-on like sucking off Putin, either.
Hey R voters and sitouts: proud yet?
But they had to sit out the election because of Palestine!
Not that they care that Trump just lifted all restrictions on Bibi in Gaza, the morally important thing is to teach Harris a lesson!
And signal their inability to tell between different levels of evil, or to see things beyond a 14-day timeframe, apparently.
They don’t want to understand that harris was the lesser evil from where to start something new. But they are also coward enough to not admit that by not voting, they put pedohitler and harris at the same level.
They won’t ever admit it because they know it means that they couldn’t see anything worse on the child rapist than in harris. In the end, for them, raping children and supporting israhell not worse than just supporting israhell, meaning that for them, raping children is not something to consider when voting for a president.
I think when it comes to those people, my judgement is fair: they are amoral idiots who are maybe worse than trump supporters. Trump supporters proudly exclaim they’re involved in fascism and everything else that history taught us is horrendous. The protest non voting “leftist” not only hides what they are, they seek to maximize the number of others who increase the damage. Then they want you to feel morally inferior if you didn’t join them in helping to destroy the social fabric.
There’s the child-raping, and then there’s the whole barreling towards a cyberpunk hellhole that Trump and the heritage foundation are engineering. This doesn’t seem like a difficult choice to make, I honestly can’t understand these people.
People not wanting blood on their hands is not an endorsement of Republicans doing more of the same.
The only reason you even frame it like that is because you can’t defend a party of mass murderers on their own merits, so you have to compare them to Republicans to absolve your own complicity.
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In a binary system that’s the way it goes. It sucks, but that the reality we live in.
Good job helping Trump win.
I’m not even American, dipshit.
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Children… 😞
Didn’t Mom and Dad teach you about the US system of government? That a vote is for a better option not a perfect option? That you’re voting for the public benefit? That it’s sometimes about just keeping things from getting worse?
“I didn’t vote” means your didn’t do even the bare minimum thing you could have done to have stopped Trump. You’re culpable.
I won’t be talked down to by people who are fine with the mass slaughter of children. You voted for that. That makes you culpable, so go fuck yourself.
Americans are fine with foreign kids dying and committing a genocide elsewhere, they draw the line when their rights are under threat.
They love empire. Every second of it. In their minds the worst thing about imperialism is not the extraction of resources nor the mass slaughter of women and children, but that every once in a while the other imperialist party gets to take credit for it too.
Don’t you have 5th period math to get to or something?
Thank you for identifying who you are. I appreciate it when lemmings do that. Like the guy yesterday defending Elon musk. Now I no longer need to wonder if y’all have anything valuable to say.
Funny how nobody has actually challenged anything I said. They just default to insults, lectures and holding me personally responsible for Democrats shitting the bed.
It looks like you’re more of the same in that regard, but if you’re going to ignore me you might as well contradict yourself by announcing it loudly and proudly I guess lol
Probably because we thought through how ludicrous your argument was 20 years ago. Before you were born.
And all this was discussed ad nauseum from 2023-2024. We don’t need to prove any of the basic 4th grade logic to you.
It’s not really a hard concept that I said I’d ignore your future ramblings. It’s for the benefit of other people thinking the same.
I’m actually past my 20’s, but thanks for the lecture anyway 👍
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No, say what you want to say it.
It’s pretty cringy to have these 16 year old type beliefs as someone much older than that.
Well, unlike you I don’t believe it’s the pinnacle of adulthood either to outsource your conscience to parties that take no responsibility for their policies.
I consider it thinking like a young child to be unable to accept basic realities
I think you talking down to fellow adults like children says a lot about how you view not only adults, but children too.
I sincerely hope you don’t do that in real life.
In the first past the post system in the US, it is absolutely the same.
I used to be critical of sitouts but over time I’ve grown more sympathetic towards them. Imagine voting out Trump with the expectation that Trump is going to come swinging next election and democrats will prepare to make sure fascism doesn’t get a foothold in America. And then for the next 4 years you see nothing being done to prevent fascism and what worse, you see democrats capitulate to fascists and normalize fascism by moving to the right themselves. I too would get jaded about voting when there’s no “I don’t want fascists” option. What failed America weren’t the sitouts. It’s the decades of political apathy letting corporations take over politics, which has led to republicans going full fascist and democrats turning into controlled opposition.
Blaming the sitouts isn’t going to solve anything because what are they supposed to do? Voting for democrats isn’t going to get rid of the fascists, it’s only going to delay until the democrats themselves turn openly fascist. Obviously they shouldn’t vote for the republican party because that’s a lost cause. Voting current third party candidates is kinda pointless because of how the political system works. So what’s the solution you expect from the sitouts? I’dsay sitouts have nothing to do until there’s a schism in the democratic party and the progressives split from the establishment democrats. Then sitouts should vote for the progressives and I imagine the vast majority of them will because then they’ll actually have someone willing to represent them.
While Biden should have done more, Trump was put on trial. The system could and should have worked, and Trump would be in prison, except for the corrupt judges instated by Republicans who sabotaged the trials. Especially SCROTUS.
And now the sitouts, who you are sympathetic to, has just put Republicans in power again. And Republicans are appointing more corrupt judges, stacking the courts. All because of sitouts. And then when Democrats are in power again, sitouts will again complain about Democrats doing nothing when those corrupt judges block Democrats. Fuck sitouts, they are stupid.
Do you know what would’ve kept Trump away? Absolute low-hanging fruits like fixing the healthcare system and affordability. Democrats could’ve taken a “what’s a social democracy” checklist, put half of them as their campaign promises and had a landslide victory. The democrats didn’t need to put Trump in prison to prevent him, all they needed to do was give the people what they need and they couldn’t even do that because it would hurt their corporate overlords.
Voters did not give Democrats the votes in Congress for this.
Sometimes I think Americans just don’t know how democracy works at all. If you do not give a party legislative power, then you can’t blame that party for not passing legislation.
So Trump can run on affordability but democrats can’t?
Trump can shamelessly lie and the media and his supporters will eat it up while democrats are held to an entirely different standard. Yes.
Trump lies. Trump has just caused huge inflation, with the oil crisis caused by the Iran War. Would you be happy if Democrats just lied too?
If they actually tried to work towards getting those things to pass, yes I’d rather have them “lie” and try than be honest and do nothing. Because is it really lying if you’re actually trying to do it?
Last time you gave Democrats the slimmest temporary filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, they passed Obamacare. Which while imperfect was a huge leap forward for health care for the poor in America.
And it wasn’t even a real majority - they had to court independent Lieberman, who demanded that Democrats drop the public option as a condition for his vote.
Are you aware of the policy plans Harris put forward? I haven’t read them myself, but people who read them said they were quite good.
Harris was on the right track in some points but even those those points weren’t good enough and in some cases she ended up campaigning against her own points by refusing to distance herself from the Biden administration.
Furthermore people have a serious issue with the economy because things were getting more expensive while purchasing power was going down. Biden claimed everything was fine and Harris refused to oppose that though it was clear to everyone that things were bad. That is what Trump tapped into with his affordability claims. People responded better to a clear lie that acknowledged their hardship instead of ignoring the hardship all together.
Obligatory fuck Joe Lieberman.
Hello! We offer you a child rapist, convicted felon who supports bibi the nazi, that plans to install nazism in your country and take you back 500 years in rights and quality of life OR a stablishment candidate that will keep things as they are now.
Apparently, things before trump were so awfully worse than people had a hard time between staying the same and voting for the child rapist, convicted felon who supports bibi the nazi, that plans to install nazism in your country and take you back 500 years in rights and quality of life.
Now that’s a more accurate representation of the offers. And yeah, clearly things did get to shit that people no longer cared to vote on whether to get fucked right now or later.
Do you want to go full fash in a couple of years? Or go slowly and maybe work in the meanwhile to change things?
And, are you telling me that by the end of biden’s presidency things were as bad as they are now?
America tried that between 2020-2024 and how did that end? You still went full fascist. You want my scorching hot take? Had Trump won in 2020 things wouldn’t be as bad as they are right now because he wouldn’t have had time to plan out how to properly fuck everything over. He would’ve gone into his second presidency with poor popularity and an uprising would’ve happened sooner rather than later. By playing the waiting game you’ve brought more suffering into the world.
You didn’t have to choose pedohitler. He could have lost if all the sitouts voted against him. And for 2028 he would be dead.
But by electing him in 2024, you probably killed democracy in the country. I guess it was better than electing a non-nazi candidate… Well, what to say? Enjoy your choice. The rest of the world is certainly enjoying it and can’t wait to pay you back for all the enjoyment your choice is causing us.
You don’t get it. This isn’t about Trump anymore. Trump could die tomorrow and America would still stay fascist. You’d get Vance for this term but who is so unpopular he’d give the baton over to Tucker Carlson for the next term and Tucker is going to be a far worse autocrat than Trump because unlike Trump he actually has a brain. The democracy in the US is already dead as far as I’m concerned because you have the nazi party and nazi-later party. You want democracy in America, tell democrats to fuck off until they come back representing the people and not corporate overlords. Or guilliotine the entire political elite and start over with a parliamentary system.
Perhaps, if more people voted for Dems more regularly they’d have more balls to do stuff like throw trump in jail etc. But as it is now, they have to deal with having a very tight margins on the political capital they have to spend. Not voting just makes things worse.
As I pointed out in my other comment, they didn’t need to throw Trump in jail. Had they campaigned on what people actually need (you know shit that is common sense in other western nations like free healthcare, affordable housing, workers rights, free education) they would’ve easily beaten Trump. This notion that they needed to lock up Trump to win is exactly what is wrong with the democratic party. It’s not focusing on what they can do for the people, it’s focusing on what they can do to be in power. Demand more from the democrats.
You are missing my point. They can’t do the things that people want because the same people don’t vote for them enough and give them big enough majority and enough political capital. Its always 49,9% vs. 50,1% or something stupid like that. In that sort of system they have to walk the middle road as much as possible to pull the morons away from the right. If they start doing stuff like universal healthcare etc, the morons are just going to yell “communism!!111!!1!” and vote them out in the next cycle. So of course they can’t do that, because they are afraid of being voted out.
Its 100% the voters fault for being such stupid morons that the adults in the room have to cater to the idiot babies who have the votes.
And people don’t vote for them because they never offer the voters what they want. Do you see the problem here?
Yeah I see the problem. The people need to take the first step and support them for more than a couple of election cycles. And I don’t mean just voting. Vote, contact them, go to their events, call them, send mail, emails. Make sure your voice is heard.
I find it ridiculous that people sit at home and yell at their tv “they aren’t doing what I want!” and think they are politically active. Goddamn morons.
That is not how representational democracy works. The politicians represents what you want and then you vote for them. It doesn’t work the other way around where you vote for a politician and then maybe they’ll do what you want them to do. Is it their job to know what you want BECAUSE IT IS THEIR JOB TO FUCKING REPRESENT YOU.
It shouldn’t come as a surprise that sympathy towards Israel is waning, there are multiple polls from multiples sources showing that. So why hasn’t the democratic party taken a more anti-Israel stance? Is it because they’re too fucking incompetent at their job to know what the people want (in which case why the fuck would you vote for them in the first place) or is it because they don’t care what the people want because they get money from AIPAC?
Have you thought about telling your politicians what their job is? One effective way to let them know is to vote the ones, who have forgotten, out and vote the ones, who know what their job is, in.
And when your options are between voting for the ones who have forgotten and the ones who also have forgotten, what vote do you cast? It’s almost like it doesn’t matter which way you vote, so why vote at all? Maybe if the politicians cared about votes they’d figure out why they’re not getting votes.
You vote for the least worst option.
And you get the current American political landscape where democrats have no incentive to do what you want because what are you going to do? Vote for the fascist?
Either you vote against the fascist or you help the fascist get in power.
And how did voting against fascists work out in 2020? Did you feel like your life improved between 2020 and 2024 or did you feel like you’re still getting the same shit every day except ever so slightly worse?
You’re not voting against fascists. You’re just voting for the people paving the way for fascists. Because your material conditions are going to keep getting worse and worse until you’re so desperate that you turn to fascism in hopes of getting a better life (which just to be clear is always going to be a lie) or you’re going to drown in apathy and not vote and then the desperate voters vote fascism in.
You’re not seeing the big picture here. It doesn’t matter which way you vote, both votes end up going for fascism. The only difference is whether the fascism happens now or later. And you could argue that later is still better because at least it’s not now, but if there’s no escape (which in the current political landscape there isn’t as long as the democrats stay the way they are) that later might as well not exist because fascism would be inevitable. You’re just kicking the can down the road and prolonging the suffering of everyone.
Worked quite well, since the fascist was kept out. That was objectively and factually better option that letting the fascist in. Just because it wasn’t perfect doesn’t mean it wasn’t better.
You know what happens when people dont vote against a fascist? Israel starts razing Gaza to the ground and attacking Lebanon, girl schools in Iran get bombed and a major global supply chain gets shut down for no particularly good reason or without plans, a guy who fucks kids gets into the white house, global economies suffer, decades long alliances crumble, countries start to run away from America, leading to a economic downturn for the USA. Thats what happens when you stay home and don’t vote.
You can live in your magical la-la land where there is a perfect candidate you can vote for without any doubts or conflicting feelings, but here in reality you’ve got to vote based on what the choices are.
You donkey, you know what I asked so don’t fucking duck the question. Did you life improve? compared to 2014?
That started when the supposed non-fascists were in power.
Has been happening for decades at this and even when non-fascists were in power.
A girl school didn’t get bombed but Iran still got bombed when non-fascists were in power.
Bill Clinton exists.
I’m going to throw all of those together because those don’t actually have anything to do with fascism, that’s just having a moron in a position of power. And if I’m being honest, I’d take those over the US having a competent autocrat in power because the rest of the world would be fucked. The amount of power the US has to exert around the world is insane and a competent fascist could easily use it to subjugate even more of the world. The incompetence of Trump is the only saving grace here.
Guess what. That is magical la-la land you’re describing is a dream for Americans. I’m not an American and I do get to vote for a candidate that very much represents my political beliefs because our political system isn’t fucked beyond repair.
Some morons yell communism and vote against them. Other morons cry that they didn’t get a pony and stay home.
Well said. I’ll steal that from you if you don’t mind.
Trying to claim ownership of something posted on a free internet forum is a losing battle.
It’s all yours.
Yeah I just figured the least I can do is let you know about this dastardly theft I am about to commit.
“bad things happened, fuck it I’ll help more bad things happen” will never be the reasonable take you’re trying to say it is.
That’s not what I said. I said “shit is bad and I have a choice between shit getting worse fast or slow, so I don’t care which I choose because both options lead to shit going bad”.
If you had to pick between getting fucking in the ass with a 9 inch dildo or a 6 inch dildo that will eventually grow to 9 inches, do you really care that the 6 inches is smaller right now? Or would you prefer to not get fucked in the ass in the first place? You probably wouldn’t be getting fucked in the ass by a 9 inch dildo if the alternative was to not get fucked in the ass at all.
You just illustrated in your own analogy perfectly what our point is. These people never had a real choice if they cared about the outcome, they just wanted to feel blameless for the bad choice they wanted to make.
So you’d rather get fucked by a 6 inch dildo than demand to not get fucked as all. Got it.
Your analogy explicitly lays out the options and just whining about there not existing a third option does not change anything.
And there’s no third option because anyone who falls out of line to demand more gets told to fall back in line. Case in point blaming the sitouts. They’re sitting out because they don’t want to get fucked and you’re flaming them for not wanting a 6 inch dildo up their ass.
If sitting out somehow resulted in a redo instead of the worse option winning, you’d have a point.
The point I’m making is that if the outcome of the vote doesn’t really change anything for you then the vote itself is also meaningless. Let me use a different analogy. Let’s say you don’t like cheesecakes and you don’t like chocolate brownies. What you do like is a nice Creme Brulee. If there’s no option for a Creme brulee and you MUST choose between a cheesecake or a chocolate brownie does it really matter which one you get? You don’t want either of them. So the choice is meaningless.
If this was a restaurant you’d say you don’t want dessert and think to yourself what a shitty restaurant for not serving creme brulees. But because this is the American political system you think it’s logical people shouldn’t except a creme brulee and instead should be happy getting the cheesecake because they’re allergic to chocolate.
You can cry about it all you want, but in the system we have right now one of two people was going to win and by not voting for Harris, you helped Trump win.
All your analogies are fucking awful, by the way. A better one here would have been your town has two restaurants, a Chinese place and an Italian place. But you want Mexican so you decide to just not eat. Even that is still flawed because you’ll come up with some BS answer like “I’ll cook at home” to sidestep the problem.
And if you think invading fucking Michigan and starting a war in Iraq after mass pardoning a bunch of insurrectionists (some of whom have since faced charges of child molestation) in addition to all the other horrendous shit Trump is doing is somehow not different from a milquetoast establishment candidate who would have maintained the status quo, then I don’t think there’s a sensible discussion to be had.
What do you think the status quo is? Are you happy with where America was heading to when Trump wasn’t in power? Is the slow crawl into a dystopian hellscape really what you want? That’s the problem with the milquetoast status quo maintainer. A milquetoast establishment candidate does nothing but kick the can down the road. If Harris had won you wouldn’t be having ICE storming Michigan in 2025 and 2026, you’d get it in 2029 or 2030 when Trump or his successor (not JD Vance) would get into power. And if it’s not then it’s going to be the next presidency. The things Trump does right now are not relevant to the discussion because if the votes went a different way those things would just happen at a later date. They’re an inevitability in the current US political climate.
As long as nothing is done to improve the material conditions of the American people you will always have the door open for fascism. Since the establishment democrats are not interested in improving the material conditions in any significant capacity all they’re doing is paving the way for fascism. As people get desperate about their material condition they will start looking for ways to improve your life and those are the exact heartstrings Trump pulled to get the win in 2024. And even if you see through the lies Trump told you’re still left with the choice of kicking the can and letting things slowly get worse or succumb to the apathy and just let things happen. There’s only so many times you can kick the can until you think “what’s the point?”. Or worse you become so desperate that fascism starts to make sense.
The only way to prevent that from happening isn’t to vote for the milquetoast establishment candidate. It’s to build a new party, one that is representing the people not the corporations. And if that’s not possible then prepare for the collapse of the empire and hope you live in a state that gets its shit together. Or you know, just dismiss me as a dumbfuck and go on with your day. At the end of the day if you’re an American you’re going to be the one living through the collapse. I just hope the rest of the world detaches from America before it happens so we can view things from afar.
This isn’t happening though. They’re told to vote in fucking primaries.
What primary happened in 2024? Also how did it work out in 2016 when Bernie was running and the party was effectively sabotaging him by backing Clinton instead.
This one? en.wikipedia.org/…/2024_Democratic_Party_presiden…
Oh right. I forgot it actually happened because it was such a sham it might as well have not happened. That primary was the equivalent of a democratic election in Russia, which is to say the outcome was predetermined and the rest was just getting the apparatus to show that outcome. If you truly believe that primary would’ve changed anything you’re delusional.
Edit: I’ll also add that the “vote blue no matter who” pretty quickly went to running Cuomo as an independent instead of giving full support to the primary winner, Mamdani. All the slogans of unity and standing together apply only when it’s the candidate the establishment wants.
I find your focus on assfucking strange. It’s almost as if you’re as afraid of it as these sitouts are of admitting responsibility.
Clearly it’s the only analogy that works with you people so I’m going to keep using it. I think it’s weird that you’re defending getting fucked by a 6 inch dildo instead of agreeing that you didn’t want it in the first place.
I do want a dildo up my ass, why do you want to hate people for it?
You do realize the dildo is an analogy for fascism and you just said you do want fascism?
Do you realize your analogy is homophobic as fuck and you’re an idiot?
I can’t say I care what a fascist thinks.
Ok, in case you really are confused and not just trolling…
Sex: a thing people do in private (mostly) for their personal fun and pleasure
Fascism: an evil ideology
These are not comparable in any way. I hope this helps, have a good day.
Apparently someone kidnapping you, tying you to a chair and sticking a dildo up your ass isn’t torture, it’s just sex. The more you know.
How about this. I’ll change my analogy just for you because your head is so in the gutter you can’t see anything beyond sex. You get waterboarded for 9 minutes or 6 minutes. Do you think the choice matters?
But you never wrote anything about being kidnapped, tied down or forced before this message, it was all in your idiot homophobe troll brain. Please try to be better.
I also wrote nothing about sex, that was all in your sex-crazed mind.
EDIT: You know what, while we’re at it how about you explain how it’s homophobic. I think it’s actually more homophobic to assume only same sex people are into sticking things into their partners rectums, you know feels kinda like you’re embracing reductive stereotypes here.
This is so fucking ignorant. People are literally dying worldwide because of the actions of these people in 2025
Yeah. And none of it would’ve happened if the democrats had actually tried to appeal to their voters instead of pulling the same “but our hands are tied so we won’t even try” shit they’ve been doing for decades. Do you want a pad on the back for it happening in 2025 and not 2022-2023? Had Harris been voted it would be happening in 2029. You’re missing the big picture. This was always going to happen because there’s no pushback against fascism, there’s only kicking the can down the road.
I voted for green party candidate. Are you proud for supporting the genocide & 20k children that Biden helped fund killing & sent bombs to kill them, and that his administration vetoed ceasefire resolutions, & that Kamala Cheney couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently?
Strawman fallacy, these people do not support the genocide, they support electing the lesser evil.
Lesser evil? Mass slaughtering children is just evil. There is no moral high ground when that is what you support.
Hamas October 7 incursion was arguably a genocide against Israel. For example Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears:
And Hamas kidnapped 250 Israeli civilians and soldiers were also taken as hostages to the Gaza Strip, including 30 kidnapped children.
This was straight out an act of war. Hamas, with the majority support of Gaza Palestinians, started this war. While I do not endorse everything Israel has done in Gaza, the basic justification for Israel’s invasion of Gaza to rescue their hostages was 100% legitimate. And Biden and Harris set limits on what Israel could do, unlike Trump.
“A genocide against Israel”🤣
This is the sort of shit Democrat voters say unironically.
Are you referring to the 2022 bombing of a maternity hospital in Mariupol, the 2024 bombing of a maternity hospital in Kyiv, or the 2025 attacks against children’s hospitals in Kherson, Kharkiv, Kamianske, and Odessa? (These are just the results from the first page of search results.)
Or are you referring to Russia literally stealing Ukrainian children from their families to try to erase their culture?
I say those things to say this: We can all pretend to be stupid when it suits us. I know you weren’t thinking of Ukrainian children. It suits me right now to ensure those examples are fresh on your mind.
The game of politics is still being played even if you chose to make moves that didn’t contribute strategically. The U.S. system is not democratic, and unless it is reformed, voters must compromise their morals to achieve some of their aims. It sucks, but it’s the reality.
You made a call. You thought it was the most moral thing you could do at the time.
Rather than attack your past decisions, or try to convince you to see things from my worldview — I want to ask if you could go back in time and explain the current state of the world to yourself do you think you would make the same voting decisions again?
So took you took action that helped the GOP, instead of biting the sour apple and trying to prevent the GOP from winning, you helped fracture the opposition to them, for what?
The weird satisfaction of avoiding a hypothetical scenario that would have been less bad than the current one.
Give yourself a nickel, you played yourself well.
No I participated in Democracy and voted for who I felt best represented me. I voted for the Palestinian choice and stood in solidarity with Palestinians. You know the people you still mock and claim deserve what they got and deserve to die, and that you claim are stupid. The only people playing here are Democrats. They absolutely give zero shits about Palestinians or Muslims. They only care about Zionists. Heck, you can’t even get Democratic leadership to vote still on ending the funding for this illegal war, and many of them have come out in support of Trump’s actions.
With the current political system in the US when you have a system based on FPTP, a ridiculously undemocratic system, you can’t use normal democratic rules.
You need to play the game within the rules.
The green party has zero chance to get into congress or gain any influence, they will only steal votes from the Democrats, and that will only serve the GOP.
Until the US rids it self from FPTP, any vote for any other party other than the Dems will gain the GOP.
Democrats deserve to lose then. I mean I honestly don’t see any difference at this point between Zionist and Democrats. They both do evil things and then claim they are the victims. If only people like you would actually have a moral compass then you’d spend your time criticizing anyone who didn’t vote for a green party candidate.
I get your feeling of hopelessness, the best you can do right now is to work to promote proportional representation over FPTP, and while doing that keep voting to keep the GOP out of power, meaning voting democrat.
So you want me to vote against the Palestinian’s preferred choice of Green Party for AIPAC-owned pro-genocide Democrats in order to save the Palestinians, because you believe Palestinians are too stupid to know what is good for them? Was it good for you when ICE, trained by the IDF, killed a few Americans? That is who your politicians vote to support. Your choices have consequences.
I’m not sure who you are letting influence you about what Palestines want. But they would certainly prefer democrat’s ME policy over Trump’s. It’s that simple.
A majority of Palestinians voted for Green Party in 2024. If you voted in solidarity with them, you would not have voted for a Democrat.
And what did that get them?
A stronger GOP position
It certainly has exposed how weak Democrats are
If that’s true, then they’re dumbasses too.
Not as dumb as Kamala
I want you to limit the harm caused by the US.
You are laser focused on Palestine, but look beyond that, would Kamela have kidnapped, Venezuela’s president, would she have blockaded Cuba, would she have attacked Iran, alienated NATO and other allies, stopped helping Ukraine?
There is more going on here than Palestine.
She certainly talked about attacking Iran and was praising the biggest war criminal of the last two decades, Dick Cheney. I don’t think she would have been as bad globally, but that’s not how it works. If you can’t say no to genocide then you don’t get to claim to be the victim.
Fuck their "feelings".
People like you expose Democrats as the racist, hypocritical, fascists they really are.
And every single time you open your piehole you expose yourself as a magat
Democrats: If you’re opposed to mass murdering children, you’re a MAGAt
If you admit this was about who “deserves” a political consequence, you have just admitted you never gave a fuck about Gaza to begin with. It was about weird punishment for you. Thanks for admitting that.
No, you voluntarily chose to pretend like you were participating, and instead actively helped get Trump into office.
Yeah, we know that you supported Russian asset Jill stein. For such good and noble reasons… 😂😂😂
LOL, you repeat that with no evidence. Do you repeat the 40k dead peaceful protestors too? What about the weapons of mass destruction? I mean with Kamala Cheney praising that war criminal, you must believe that lie, right?
I don’t know what you’re trying to imply but you act in support of the kremlin so that’s kinda all that anyone needs to know about you.
No, it is you that supports authoritarian & fascism. You voted for an ardent apartheid supporter.
I gave up trying to explain to the sitouts why they did wrong. But they refuse to understand even the most basic concept of the lesser evil. All you hear when you discuss with them is “lib”, “libtard”, some basic insults and a fixed set of “reasons” why they couldn’t get to vote for harris and why it’s not their fault at all that pedohitler is president.
They are just cowards who refuse to admit they fucked up greatly. It’s always someone else’s fault with them.
If anything, their fixation on using GENOCIDE to attack anyone with a dissenting view, instead of engaging and considering anything other than GENOCIDE, has desensitized people to the word. Watch as i get smacked around for being a ‘GENOCIDE supporter’ lol.
The thing about voting for a lesser evil, is you’re still voting for evil. You’re complicit in evil and then pat yourself on the back for it. You perpetuate an evil system and then are surprised when it gets more evil, and then blame those who tell you support someone not evil, while complaining about the evil you wrought. Its mindboggling.
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A lot of them are proud of this. Many R voters were complaining about aid being sent to Ukraine. I know my mom was.
Hey flexibletoast, your mom is a real piece of shit
Correct. That’s why I haven’t spoken to her in over a year.
Maybe there wouldnt be so many sit outs if the Democratic party actually tried to help people, or at least said they will. People are fucking stupid. Whether you think voting for the lesser evil is logically correct or not, that’s evidently not how the average American feels. Running an uninspiring, pro genocide campaign doesn’t encourage people who don’t feel targeted by current politics to engage.
If there’s ever another fair election, they simply have to do better. The bar was in the floor and they couldn’t clear it.
It’s amazing that Vance can use so many words to say so little. If he wasn’t so full of shit I’d say he’s totally vacuous.
I wonder if he’s deliberately ramping up the outrage with some of his recent words and actions as a fresh distraction from the distraction from the files. Absorb some of the public opinion hits to let other decoys relax until it’s the next one’s turn.
He’s been a prick the whole time so it’s not a huge change from the usual. Seems like an extra 10 or 20% lately though.
Europe’s help is coming; Ukraine should use it to buy non-US equipment.
For Vance and Trump, perhaps they will end up alone and isolated. That “great” thing they pride themselves on might be fading away.
The world has changed; their world has changed.
I don’t know if this does it or not, but after Amerika is great (again), MAGA can be renamed…Maybe MIGA or MICGA
History Lesson: Why all countries need to band together and help Ukraine
The USSR, which was known as the Soviet Union and was a communist government, used to have many countries under their umbrella of control, including Ukraine.
When the Berlin Wall fell in the early 90’s Russia dropped the communist part of their government and became the Russian Federation. They gave all the countries under their umbrella autonomy. So more or less, the Russian Federation was no longer in control of all these countries.
Putin is the current President of Russia. He has held this position since 2012, after previously serving as President from 2000 to 2008 and as Prime Minister from 1999 to 2000 and again from 2008 to 2012.
Putin has expressed a desire to restore the glory of the Soviet Union, which is a key part of his domestic and foreign policy goals. He aims to regain Russia’s influence in world affairs and strengthen its position against perceived threats, particularly from NATO. (www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481)
If Putin regains control of Ukraine, he will move on to the next country, then the next country, until Russia’s old glory is restored.
This must not happen.
Why?
Like, self determination and all that, yes. But is there a reason beyond the fundamental human right of a people to determine their own government that we should intervene in Russian power politics?
Do you need a reason beyond that? I’m confused by this question.
Let’s say you’re arrival, and the United Kingdom suddenly wants to rule over you. Would you accept this change?
Or if you’re South American - should Spain be in control?
All autonomous countries that exists now should stay that way. No other country should invade and take control.
Right, I agree with that. The wording of the post makes it seem as though Russia shouldn’t be allowed to reestablish a union of countries through any means.
The Soviet Union was entered voluntarily. Ukraine was the first member nation.
The Soviet Union was forged through wars. Especially the states in the Caucasus did not enter voluntarily. Or rather, their initial governments after independence didn’t enter voluntarily.
If you need reasons, here are two: Everyone wants less wars. Deny russia wealth and territory gains from waging war on other countries dissuades russia from starting more wars. Also quality of life and freedoms will be better when russia is not occupying your home.
Ukraine is doing quite well as the premier drone developer. So much so, that countries all over the world now seek their weapons. Their newest drone development is nothing short of awesome.
Indeed, but Russia can still win with attrition. The fucking Nazis thought they would continue to punish the Soviet Union, with combat experience and “Superior” weapons, by late 1942, shit was changing real fast.
Completely agree and the best way to do this is to consistently call out breaches of international law. The problem with the part of the world that is most threatened by Russia is that it tends to go quiet when its allies (the US and Israel) breach international law, which comes across as hipocrisy / a double standard. The more consistent they are the more likely they are to get global support.
Many of these countries were once colonial empires so they understand imperialism well. They should know that in order to form a coherent argument they need to be against imperialism universally, not just be against it when it’s directed their way which is a difficult case to make.
God but this guy is stupid… like, Dan Quayle levels of stupid.
Good thing they held out long enough to see Hungry outs big O and have the EU fund them.
Yea, just in time. Although I think the EU and Ukraine saw this coming and have been preparing before Trump 2.0. Fair dues to the Biden administration as well, they passed a law for US to make it hard to quit NATO because of potential Trump’s return at the time. Everyone Trump proofed themselves.
This just makes Putin all too happy, because they’re running dogs.
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We should stop funding Israel in return. Let Washington pay for its country-sized military base, we have more pressing and deserving issues at home.
citizens-initiative.europa.eu/…/000005_en
They’re in Athens, GA? That’s a really nice college town, home of REM and the B-52s, great restaurants, etc. It’s one of my favorite places to visit for business.
Why does MAGA have to show up there and shit all over such a nice college town? Stick to your shithole cities like Boise and Salt Lake City. Leave nice places like Athens alone.
Proud of genocidal conquests huh
My European brain just confused the fuck out of me.
The country of Georgia could do some trolling here. Doesn’t even need to be a large town, just rename some wide spot in the road.
I only know about Athens, Georgia because apparently it has (or at least had, dunno anymore) an amazing music scene.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_6
REM is also from there, IIRC.
It’s mainly because it’s a big college town, housing the University of Georgia.
We’ve got a Rome, too.
(I haven’t really been there, but it’s probably pretty shitty given that it’s part of Marjorie Taylor Greene’s former district.)
Also Venice, Syracuse, Amsterdam, London, York, Munich, Madrid…
No, none of those are incorporated towns in GA.
Ah sorry! I thought by “we” you meant in the US, not Georgia
EDIT: Berlin though :)
Don’t look at Texas cities.
Wait. Don’t you love Paris?
There’s 14 Parises in the US. So I hope everyone loves Paris, as there’s a bunch.
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Mmm sexy.
Did someone say Paris, Texas?
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Alternate headline: “Being a Bitch to Russia one of the Proudest Achievements of Trump “Administration”.”
Oh Putin your dick tastes almost as good as Donald’s!
It was a free event and only like 100 people showed up and many of them heckled him repeatedly.
He still said it. I don’t care if he said it to a group of clowns at a birthday party, the Vice President of the USA just admitted publicaly that he’s happy civilians in Ukraine are dying because they reneged on an international promise.
This is 100% why I hope no country, no matter what happens in the coming decade or more, ever gives the USA an ounce of trust ever again. A century of good will, ally-ship, and negotiation completely pissed away in less than a year. Why should ANY of us ever trust the USA to hold up any ounce of promise ever again?
sofa-humping GOP surrender monkey
God damn I fucking hate that guy. Why did Usha marry him?
Knowing the Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for permanent protection from the US, I can understand the “agitation”. I’d be pissed.
The Budapest Memorandum did not contain such a security guarantee.
Both the US and Russia agreed to respect their sovereignty which Russia violated beginning in 2014 and Trump personally in 2019. While it did not spell out permanent protection, I think this is a valid interpretation in regards to permanent protection from their actions.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum#%3A~%3A….
If a treaty does not spell out permanent protection, then it does not give permanent protection. That is not how treaties work. It is not a “valid interpretation” to pretend a treaty gives guarantees that it does not specify.
The guarantee is a permanent protection from their actions, not permanent protection from others action or a requirement for assistance. You are either purposely being obtuse here or just disingenuous.
My guess is you are a Russian apologist.
So when you wrote “permanent protection from the US”, you meant that the US would so to say “protect Ukraine from the US”? Not that the US would protect Ukraine from e.g. Russia? That was a very unclear formulation!
Yes, that was the agreement that Russia, UK, and the US agreed to. That they would not as a country infringe on Ukraine’s sovereignty.
Quavering and faultering on this is what told the world the USA was done being a responsible adult citizen.
Or, you know, openly breaking international law from 1999 on. Which Putin has cited as a precedent for his own illegal war in Ukraine.
wasn’t it protection from the us and russia?
Aw come on, he’s not proud of massive increase in disease, people starving, needy people losing benefits, voter suppression, or depriving people of human rights? He’s not proud of loss of prestige and influence, alienating friends and allies (even Canada, that is a huge accomplishment), destruction of American science, education and technology?
In a good and proper world, JD Vance would get a bullet between the eyes.
Public hanging for being a traitor next to his orange messiah.
I’d love to have a video of him bleeding out like I do Charlie Kirk.
Just Dumb and the MAGA fucks continue to break the 1994 Budapest Agreement. If the USA requests you to get rid of your nuclear insurance policy, tell them to f-off.