Spaniards see Trump as the greatest threat to world peace, ahead of Putin (english.elpais.com)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 11:02
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TrickDacy@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 11:18 next collapse

Honestly they’re correct. Putin at least seems somewhat predictable and he’s definitely more intelligent.

Tottakai@europe.pub on 12 Apr 08:10 next collapse

😂 good joke!

mrbutterscotch@feddit.org on 12 Apr 08:17 collapse

Idk, someone intelligent wouldn’t have attacked ukraine.

TrickDacy@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 12:19 next collapse

Are you saying trump is not an idiot…?

mrbutterscotch@feddit.org on 12 Apr 15:21 collapse

How did you deduce that? Putin isn’t more intelligent than trump, because someone intelligent wouldn’t have attacked the ukraine. I’m saying they’re both idiots.

idiomaddict@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 00:12 collapse

0.02 is bigger than 0.01, even though they’re both small.

mrbutterscotch@feddit.org on 13 Apr 07:06 collapse

Sure, all I’m saying is someone significantly more intelligent wouldn’t have attacked ukraine. People seem to disagree.

idiomaddict@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 07:09 collapse

Tbh, I think it’s that you say putins not smarter than trump, instead of not much smarter. That may be hyperbole, but people are going to treat it as though it’s what you believe unless you specify like you do here

mrbutterscotch@feddit.org on 13 Apr 07:24 collapse

Yeah, fair enough. I believe in the end there’s no way to measure their true intelligence from afar and just based on their actions anyway.

TrickDacy@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 18:41 collapse

Do you really not understand that intelligence is relative and that even different stupid people can be smarter than each other? I’m pretty sure you get that.

mrbutterscotch@feddit.org on 12 Apr 20:32 collapse

You seem very upset by this.

TrickDacy@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 20:48 collapse

Ok thanks for your valuable feedback

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 11:26 next collapse

Putin is finished, he is a walking dead together with the Russian Empire he wanted to create.
But we need to support Ukraine more, so this stupid war isn’t prolonged more than necessary. When the war is over both Ukraine and EU will prosper.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 18:44 collapse

We need to help Ukraine win ASAP so that we can redirect our military resources to defending ourselves against the United States.

mattyroses@lemmy.today on 13 Apr 07:15 collapse

Feel free to sign up to fight anytime.

tiny_hedgehog@piefed.social on 11 Apr 11:49 next collapse

What a way to find out I’m a Spaniard.

zaphod@sopuli.xyz on 11 Apr 12:41 next collapse

Putin and Trump are the same threat, just look at what they do in Hungary.

Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Apr 18:09 collapse

Putin is stuck in the past (concretely USSR era) and Trump is stuck in the present (terminally online tech bro)

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today on 11 Apr 12:58 next collapse

Well, yeah, at least Putin is smart, and will act strategically. Trump is just a monkey flinging poop.

IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf on 11 Apr 15:02 next collapse

He couldn’t even take Ukraine. The biggest difference is that he isn’t a terminally online manbaby who needs constant attention.

SamB@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 07:59 next collapse

Yeah, very smart that one. If he didn’t attack Ukraine, Russia would have been one of the wealthiest countries in the world. The entire EU was dependent on them ffs. Now it wouldn’t surprise me if I hear that the federation breaks apart very soon.

Tottakai@europe.pub on 12 Apr 08:09 collapse

Lol, what?!

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 14:31 next collapse

So do we Americans.

Let these escapades serve as an example that, outside of the Epstein Class, people’s only power here is local.

ClownStatue@piefed.social on 11 Apr 15:48 next collapse

Spain’s been going fairly hard lately, and I’m loving it!

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 16:11 next collapse

It’s all bark and no bite. If they want to go hard, how about they actually do something instead of sending thoughts and prayers.

statista.com/…/european-aid-to-ukraine-by-country…

greenbit@lemmy.zip on 11 Apr 16:39 next collapse

This is more than thoughts

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy368j1e3lo

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 17:07 collapse

Oh wow… closed airspace for US military planes. Must be real expensive. What a huge sacrifice.

They’re not risking anything. It doesn’t cost them anything. The only reason they close it is for their own domestic politics.

NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 17:44 next collapse

You were going to complain no matter what Spain did…

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 06:32 collapse

No, they could start actually helping out in europe and I’ll be overjoyed.

TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 08:26 next collapse

Mate, Spain isn’t doing great itself. As much as I would love to have Spain’s support, they need ours first. There is a lot of corruption, poverty, inequality, oppression of minority groups, etc. The fact they speak out against a tyrant does more on the world stage than staying politically correct and trying to keep the modern fascist regime a friend because that would be the economically smart choice.

We need people to speak up, to take a side, because silance is compliance. In history we remember the ones who did. Like Martin Luther King and Ghandi, to just name a few. Their words meant more than their money. We also remember the UK and France for taking a stance against Hitler too late, after letting him go too far already.

Even the pope is doing it. It has always been the strongest power of the Vatican, even though their wealth could end world hunger more than once.

What Spain is risking by closing it’s airspace to the US, is war with the US if the US doesn’t give a shit and uses its airspace, and Spain keeps its word. I wouldn’t say that’s just bark and no bite. That shit is serious. It’s only just bark if they don’t enforce it, but we don’t know that yet. At least they take a strong stance, which should be an example to us all. They risk war with a super power to take a moral stance. They are modern day heroes if you ask me. Rosa Park did the same, taking huge risks to take a stance.

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 11:35 collapse

They are not doing great themselves, yes, there’s plenty of corruption to go around, is any of that an excuse? Their problems didn’t happen yesterday. They’ve had plenty of time to work for a better future. All while being funded by the EU. They’re just not interested…

I’m not complaining about Spain closing their airspace. That’s great.

But giving Spain credit for “going hard” is just wrong. For decades they’ve gone by doing the bare minimum, if even that, reaping every possible benefit of EU while contributing nothing of worth or significance.

Spain is not risking war with the US. Not even close.

athatet@lemmy.zip on 12 Apr 17:43 next collapse

You were deffo complaining about that only just a few comments up.

TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 18:46 next collapse

So you’re complaining they aren’t doing enough. At, least they are doing something. Can’t say the same about Hungary. All EU countries are not doing enough. One does more than the other, that’s how things are. At least Spain is speaking out, taking a stance. Can’t say the same for most other countries.

So we can continue complaining about everything that could be done better, but that doesn’t help anyone. Maybe focus your anger at the real issue we live with: the US and Russia. Instead of bickering about who does more, which will only create more turmoil instead of creating a stronger front together. The US and Russia would love nothing more than to divide the EU and your comments fit their narrative.

bold_atlas@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 23:15 collapse

Are you going to bring up the Spanish inquisition too?

elucubra@sopuli.xyz on 12 Apr 08:40 next collapse

Clueless. Do your homework.

mattyroses@lemmy.today on 13 Apr 07:13 collapse

You could be fighting in Ukraine, since you seem to think that’s a good idea. There’s plenty of conscripts happy to switch places with you.

I’ll even cover your railway ticket from Poland.

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 13 Apr 14:18 collapse

I’ve already been to Ukraine. We drove 2 trucks from Sweden filled with supplies. Everything from stethoscope’s to food. What have you done?

mattyroses@lemmy.today on 13 Apr 14:36 collapse

To support the war in Ukraine, that I don’t support either side of? Nothing.

Must be nice to drive out. Lots of Ukrainian conscripts probably want the same.

wpb@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 07:44 next collapse

You probably don’t mean to, but you’re sounding like a bit of an ignorant asshole. Were you like hangry or sth when you wrote this?

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 11:50 collapse

Possibly. I am in the process of decreasing my carb intake by 99%

Great that they closed their airspace. Truly. But praising them for “going hard” I think is silly. And I stand by that their reason for doing so is purely for domestic politics. It’s the right decision but for the wrong reason.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 12:30 next collapse

Let’s make it relative. Which countries are going harder against the US (without supporting Iran).

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 14:02 collapse

Why would it be relative? I’m sure Denmark could close their airspace to the US too, but it’s not relevant so does it matter?

Other countries are busy spending enormous sums of money and resources on helping Ukraine. Opening up a second front in a second war has never been a successful strategy.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 18:29 collapse

Spain’s hardness isn’t going enough for you. I’m highlighting that there are not many countries “going harder” than Spain (with respect to Iran).

wpb@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 15:15 collapse

for the wrong reason.

I don’t see why this matters to you at all. If someone feeds the homeless nefariously, then let them. The homeless are getting fed. If someone stops the holocaust because it allows them to cement their hegemony, or because they got paid for it, whatever! If it stops the holocaust, I’m happy.

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 15:57 collapse

Except it doesn’t stop the genocide at all.

And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it’s not going to be the right thing.

And people do feed homeless people nefariously, it’s a real problem for real people. Mixing in moulded food. Filling sandwiches with toothpaste.

I’m sure you want them to say thank you and eat around the toothpaste… but I’m not going to praise them for it.

wpb@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 22:41 collapse

And people do feed homeless people nefariously, it’s a real problem for real people. Mixing in moulded food. Filling sandwiches with toothpaste.

You misunderstand the premise. Spain isn’t mixing toothpaste in proverbial sandwiches here. They closed their air space for air traffic intended for the illegal assault on Iran. That’s a good thing. It’s a tuna melt sandwich, no tooth paste, in the hands of the homeless.

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 13 Apr 03:41 collapse

Yeah I know. I just thought it was a really stupid analogy

wpb@lemmy.world on 14 Apr 10:27 collapse

Ah, so you didn’t miss the core point. So could you maybe try to address it?

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 14 Apr 11:10 collapse

I did.

Except it doesn’t stop the genocide at all.

And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it’s not going to be the right thing.

wpb@lemmy.world on 14 Apr 15:57 collapse

And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it’s not going to be the right thing

Nice, that does address the core point. Two problems.

First, the idea that “next time it’s not going to be the right thing” has not been established at all. I mean, clearly it’s possible to do the right thing for the wrong reasons at least once, so it is not at all unimaginable that it could happen twice, three times, or as many times in a row as you’d like.

Secondly, you have given no indication what these “wrong reasons” are, in the case of Spain restricting its air space to impede the illegal assault on Iran. Is it to appease voters who are against this? Because that’s literally just how democracy works.

Except it doesn’t stop the genocide at all

So this is unrelated to the core point, but let’s talk about it anyway. This reduces the avenues America has to send military aid to Israel in the illegal assault on Iran, so it very clearly does do somehing to impede the assault on Iran. And a reduction in military aid to Israel is a step in the direction of ending the genocide, so that’s a nice extra. Although I’m not sure why we’re talking about the genocide. Even though it’s related, clearly a restricted air space to impede the illegal assault on Iran is more directly related to the assault on Iran than it is to the genocide.

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 14 Apr 20:30 collapse

Oh I have plenty of examples of right decision for the wrong reason.

We can start with Nazi Germany helping Finland defend their country against the Soviets.

Very good decision. Terrible reason as they couldn’t care less about Finland, they just wanted to kill Russians and ensure they had supply lines north to send jews back to their death.

Then they also did a whole lot of other terrible things for terrible reasons. So, you asked.

I absolutely have an answer to what the “wrong reason” is. Nothing but populism. It’s far easier to hide unpopular policies among one big popular one.

The statement was made that their action puts a stop or halt to their genocide of Iran. To which I answered “except it’s not”. It’s but a short delay.

Again. I agree with the decision. But I don’t think Spain deserves any praise for going hard when they’ve done almost nothing to help Europe since they joined the EU. It’s been almost 40 years now. It was time for them to get serious 10 years ago.

elucubra@sopuli.xyz on 12 Apr 08:40 next collapse

Naval Station Rota, and Morón Airbase are pretty fucking big, strategic, and not being able to use them is not trivial.

sns@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 22:14 collapse

You don’t think their own people should be their priority?

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 17:15 next collapse

you dropped this.

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Tottakai@europe.pub on 12 Apr 08:07 collapse

It’s yours, don’t lie

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 08:32 collapse

don’t kink shame, it’s rude.

muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works on 13 Apr 02:00 collapse

We can laugh at what we accept makes others happy too you know. I don’t need to approve of peoples kinks for them to be allowed to exist.

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 04:03 collapse

doesn’t make it less rude though…

muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works on 13 Apr 05:49 collapse

Are you assuming there’s decorum on the internet?

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 06:38 collapse

it costs nothing to be kind while you peg a man.

elucubra@sopuli.xyz on 12 Apr 08:36 next collapse

Bullshit:

“I would like to present new measures from Spain — first and foremost, a new military aid package worth EUR 1 billion for 2026. In total, Spain’s assistance in this war has reached EUR 4 billion,” Sanchez said.

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 11:45 collapse

Awesome. Better late than never.

But if their PM says they’ve given 4 billion I suppose it must be true. He is the leader of a country after all. They would never lie or skew the truth in their favour.

Spain with their corruption are obviously highly trustworthy.

mattyroses@lemmy.today on 13 Apr 07:11 collapse

Sorry, how does not supporting the war in Ukraine make Spain’s opposition to US and Israeli wars hypocritical? This makes no sense.

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 13 Apr 14:16 collapse

I didn’t say it was hypocritical.

mattyroses@lemmy.today on 13 Apr 14:38 collapse

You just have a form of Tourette where instead of saying curses, you have to type about Ukraine or something?

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 14 Apr 11:10 collapse

No. Does it usually work for you to just throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks?

mattyroses@lemmy.today on 14 Apr 18:59 collapse

No, you see, I’m actually responding to the subject of what I respond to. It helps. You should try it, instead of bringing up your pet proxy war in a thread about the US and Spain.

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 14 Apr 20:17 collapse

Spains actions in general are very much the subject to the statement of “Spain going hard”.

Proxy War

Say no more. I see ml users have escaped containment

mattyroses@lemmy.today on 15 Apr 18:28 collapse

Since when is Spain involved in the Ukraine war, my little chickenhawk?

Vete a la mierda, puto.

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 15 Apr 20:43 collapse

Holy shit you are dense. They aren’t. That’s what we’ve been writing about. How they have not helped much at all.

Por favor, callate tu puta boca

mattyroses@lemmy.today on 15 Apr 21:57 collapse

OK, you are actually too stupid to function.

Post is about how Spain sees Trump as a greater threat to peace than Putin.

You - “WHY ISN’T SPAIN FIGHTING IN UKRAINE?”

I mean, I know you’re not either, is that why you’re so mad?

oh, y tu espanol es peor que la ano de tu madre, donde todos los muchachos lleva la leche, pendejo

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 16 Apr 04:06 collapse

The only one here that seems to be mad would be you.

It’s really sad how you’re unable to follow the flow of conversation.

Giving off some major moderator vibes. I wish everyone in your proximity good luck…

Tottakai@europe.pub on 12 Apr 08:08 next collapse

Oh, so hard! Closed airspace to US planes. Wow! It must be very scary.

elucubra@sopuli.xyz on 12 Apr 08:30 collapse

Spain’s location is very important strategically, and not being able to us Naval Station Rota, and Morón airbase complicates things for the US. Disabling, no, but it certainly makes things harder.

TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 08:09 collapse

There’s a lot going wrong in that country, sadly. But their stance lately on the US and Israel is admirable and should be an example for the rest of the EU, and the world. Silence is compliance.

stupidcasey@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 16:52 next collapse

World peace, lol.

hanrahan@slrpnk.net on 12 Apr 01:49 next collapse

worldpopulationreview.com/…/most-hated-country

TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 08:34 next collapse

How is Israel lower that North Korea. What did North Korea even do wrong, they’re an isolated dictatorship, who bother no one but South Korea. There are many more states like this. Eritrea, Turkmenistan for example. Also, why is China first. They aren’t committing war crimes yet, only crimes against humanity. Can’t say the same about the US, Israel and Russia.

mabeledo@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 12:07 collapse

There are no reputable sources for this.

Jankatarch@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 07:32 next collapse

US invading Iran is similar to Putin invading Brazil btw distance-wise. Which one can you imagine ever happening?

Bakkoda@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 13:49 collapse

Im 42 and I can’t remember a time the US wasn’t over there.

EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com on 12 Apr 20:53 collapse

There’s even a meme about it.

Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Apr 23:49 collapse

“Born too late to be sent to the middle east.

Born too early to be sent to the middle east.

Born just in time to be sent to the middle east.”

dellish@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 12:46 next collapse

I was unaware that most of the world is Spanish. The more you know…

frongt@lemmy.zip on 12 Apr 15:48 collapse

It is the most broadly-apoken language.

EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com on 12 Apr 20:52 collapse

It is not.

English is the most broadly spoken language (native and non-native speakers). Mandarin has the most native speakers.

en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_languages_by_total_num…

frongt@lemmy.zip on 12 Apr 21:26 next collapse

Really? I thought that had changed, but it looks like it’s still got a long way to go

Buddahriffic@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 22:11 collapse

I’m surprised english is the 3rd highest natively spoken language.

aesthelete@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 16:03 next collapse

Finally a country that sees the reality of the situation.

yermaw@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 17:25 collapse

I think they all see it, but are scared to say it out loud in case he gets activated. Like when you see youre being watched late at night. You dont run and scream immediately you sort of walk a tiny bit faster trying not to let them know that you know because that’ll trigger the chase.

MrShankles@reddthat.com on 13 Apr 05:38 collapse

“Play it cool and form a plan”

itisileclerk@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 17:33 next collapse

Not only Spaniards, every sane person will put US as number one enemy of the world.

hanrahan@slrpnk.net on 13 Apr 03:08 collapse

worldpopulationreview.com/…/most-hated-country

currently in second but i expect them to vault to the lead with all the shit going on.

yermaw@sh.itjust.works on 13 Apr 11:12 collapse

UK at #11, I was surprised until I remembered brexit and football hooligans and that time we nearly conquered the world.

garbage_world@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 18:34 next collapse

They’re fucking insane.

ichwillhierraus@feddit.org on 12 Apr 20:48 collapse

Thanks, i see it as a compliment, coming from who it comes.

nathanjent@programming.dev on 12 Apr 20:39 next collapse

I used to joke about my children having to fight in the “Trump Wars” during his first term. Then he got reelected. It’s not funny anymore.

yermaw@sh.itjust.works on 13 Apr 11:09 collapse

Yeah it was funny when they were younger, but now theyre conscription age and hes back

elbiter@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 20:49 next collapse

Yes we do

electric_nan@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 21:12 next collapse

The US has been the greatest threat to the world since WW2.

Maeve@kbin.earth on 13 Apr 00:47 next collapse

Since inception

7101334@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 01:39 collapse

We also inspired the top-troglodyte who sparked WW2 with our treatment of indigenous people and the treatment of migrants at the Southern Border.

And then hired a bunch of the Nazis after WW2, like the first head of NASA who admitted to using forced labor and engineered (some of? all of?) the rockets shot at Britain.

sns@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 22:11 next collapse

Trump has made it crystal clear that the 21st century will be China’s Century.

Agent641@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 23:38 collapse

We can has Spanish century II: Catalan boogaloo?

lechekaflan@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 22:31 next collapse

They should know Trump is a running dog for Putin.

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CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 22:57 next collapse

Yea feels stupid to blame the puppet instead of the puppeteer

StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 23:07 next collapse

I think we’ve reached the point in geopolitics where there’s half-a-dozen hands pulling on any one person’s strings.

IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 23:29 collapse

Unnecessary distinction. Trump is choosing to do all of this. A lot of people probably have a lot of dirt on him, but he’s still making his own choices.

lechekaflan@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 00:48 next collapse

Given his current level of lucidity, I doubt he’s capable of independent thought as he still has some hangers-on and aides who appear incompetent but actually have plans of their own, pushing the bastard to approve of their ideas. That he is also but a product of a game long played by vested interests: Roger Stone, the anti-climate Mercers, the Christofascists behind Project 2025, the oligarchy in general, and of course the Chinese and Russians who’d found him the perfect agent of influence.

He’s so fucking smug, so convinced to be winning but is truly isolating and destroying the US from the inside and indirectly benefiting the new hegemonies realigning the world order.

CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 01:01 collapse

Choice? The dude has more kompromat than anyone else on the planet. Hes doing what hes told

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 13 Apr 04:52 next collapse

and Xi controls putin economically in regard.

bridgeburner@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 07:42 collapse

And for Netanyahu. I am pretty sure Netanyahu goaded Trump into attacking Iran.

luciferofastora@feddit.org on 13 Apr 09:38 collapse

One military historian’s analysis I’ve seen on this issue posits that the fact the US joined in on Israel’s strike last year (Twelve-Day War) put them in a position where they’d be involved in this action too, like it or not. The logic goes as follows:

When Israel bombed Iranian nuclear facilities in June, Iran didn’t actively treat the US as a party of that war. Sure, the US did intercept missiles aimed at Israel, but that’s what you’d expect from a defensive partner, so long as they didn’t actually join the offensive.

But on June 22nd, the US did join the offensive and directly bombed targets in Iran. Then and only then did Iran also target a US base, because now they had become an aggressor. The lesson Iran would draw from this is that, for any action Israel took, the US would possibly (likely, even) join in. As the historian put it:

Remember, the fellow getting bombed does not get to carefully inspect the flag painted on the bomber: stuff blows up and to some degree the party being attacked has to rapidly guess who is attacking them.

Accordingly, any Israeli attack might result in counterattacks also preemptively targeting US bases, since it’s plausible that they would be part of this offensive - whether now or later doesn’t matter. This means that the US, in turn, would be involved in any war Israel starts. If Netanyahu informs the US of a planned attack, it’s no longer just a matter of Trump being his buddy, but a strategic necessity to participate and try to make the attack as decisive as possible to minimise the response.

Of course, the Twelve-Day War participation could be justified by the worry over nuclear proliferation due to Iran stockpiling enriched uranium. According to the International Atomic Energy Agency, Iran had upheld their end of the Iran Nuclear Deal and frozen its nuke program in 2015 in exchange for a limited lifting of sanctions but resumed it after the US withdrew from that deal in 2018.

That withdrawal from “the worst deal ever” had been a campaign promise already, but the actual announcement that the US would no longer comply with the plan happened a week after unsubstantiated claims that Iran had violated the terms, which were made by…

Netanyahu.

So yes, Netanyahu probably did goad Trump into reneging on a deal without an actual alternative plan, laying the groundwork to later say “See, we need to stop them from the consequences of your actions”, in turn putting the US in a position where joining an Israeli attack on Iran became a strategic necessity.


Fucking supremacist fucks fucking everyone else for their fucked up delusions. Trump is a malicious idiot, but the greater threat are the malicious manipulators that know just how to pull his strings.

phoenixz@lemmy.ca on 13 Apr 00:09 next collapse

That is because right now he is

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 00:18 next collapse

Not just peace but business in general. The man is fucking famous for bankrupting everything he touches for crying out loud

muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works on 13 Apr 02:01 next collapse

Is Trump actually taller than Putin? I never cared about height but I know in political photo ops that’s a big deal.

treesquid@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 02:57 collapse

Putin is notoriously short and Trump is around 6" and he also wears lifts. Trump is huge compared to Putin.

hanrahan@slrpnk.net on 13 Apr 03:05 next collapse

well, the world country hate index has China first, US second and Russia third. China is working to change their image, donations of solar panels in Africa etc , Russia and the US are active in making their world image worse and in making the world worse.

worldpopulationreview.com/…/most-hated-country

I assume with all these shenanigans, we’ll see the US vault to the top.

but as an Australian, I’d agree with Spain, The US and Russia are now our enemies, China is not in anyway an ally of course but more like Vietnam etc

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