Israeli attacks on journalists constitute war crime: International Federation of Journalists (www.aa.com.tr)
from nekandro@lemmy.ml to world@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 13:24
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gedaliyah@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 14:29 next collapse

Is this really the best source to share?

Please choose a higher quality news source:

Israeli military accused of targeting journalists and their families in Gaza - The Guardian

Number of Journalists Killed in Israel-Gaza War Unparalleled, According to Committee to Protect Journalists Report - Haaretz

Israel’s war on Gaza deadliest in modern history for journalists, CPJ says - Al Jazeera

WhiteHawk@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 14:52 collapse

Not sure I’d list Al Jazeera here, the other two would do just fine

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 26 Dec 2023 14:57 next collapse

If Haaretz is ok, Al Jazeera is ok.

[deleted] on 26 Dec 2023 16:57 next collapse
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WhiteHawk@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 18:28 next collapse

Fine, then get rid of both

rivermonster@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 19:23 next collapse

If you judge via your personal antisemitism, not based on data and objectivity.

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 26 Dec 2023 22:18 collapse

I don’t see what is antisemitic about considering an Israeli publication (even a good one like Haaretz) to be subject to the same kind of inherent biases as a Qatari one. Israelis are not magically exempt from bias, to claim otherwise would be the kind of a prejudice that feeds antisemitism.

If you have objective data to show why Haaretz does not suffer from bias, please go ahead and point to them.

rivermonster@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 23:18 collapse

I believe you’re being earnest so I’m giving you the best information I have and doing my best to explain here.

For one thing Al Jazeera is literally owned by Quatar who funds and is allied with Hamas. The Hamas leadership all live there, as millionaires, under the protection of the state that owns the media outlet.

This is why their Media Bias Fact check is notably lower than Haaretz. Medium credibility vs. High credibility

mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/

mediabiasfactcheck.com/haaretz/

Secondly, Haaretz is not owned by the Israeli government. Which not being state owned automatically gives it a credibility edge.

Personally, I do not like Haaretz, they are too soft on the conflict for me. But I don’t dispute the veracity of their journalism.

Al Jazeera though is just a state run propaganda machine for Qatar and Hamas.

EDIT and PS: For non Israeli/Hamas war, Al Jazeera isn’t as bad, for things they have no stake in its slightly better in it’s journalism. Same way you’d NEVER go to the BBC for info on the UK.

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 27 Dec 2023 01:50 collapse

I don’t know anything about the raters’ objectivity but I asked for evidence and you did provide them. Touché.

Hamartia@lemmy.world on 27 Dec 2023 06:04 collapse

What we need is a website that checks the bias of media-bias-fact-check-websites.

rivermonster@lemmy.world on 27 Dec 2023 08:09 collapse

MBFC is a gold standard.

mediabiasfactcheck.com/about/

Likely, you want a way to feed confirmation bias when the facts don’t support your narrative or view. For that, a bias or fact checker won’t help.

But if you really don’t like MBFC, then you could also check out All Sides and Ad Fontes Media.

Hamartia@lemmy.world on 27 Dec 2023 09:19 collapse

I don’t think you can get an objectively truly bias free news source nor bias checker. If you find one you agree with and people you trust agree with then that’s good for you. You can’t expect everyone else to conform to the same outlook as you. Regardless of which authority figures lauds it.

intelshill@lemmy.ca on 26 Dec 2023 19:45 collapse

Haaretz is sus

rivermonster@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 19:22 collapse

Considering Al Jazeera (aka Quatar state media, literally) is the official publication of Hamas, definitely agree.

Your downvotes are from all the Hamas members in WorldNews.

OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 20:48 collapse

Your downvotes are from all the Hamas members in WorldNews

IDF wants to know your location

Son_of_dad@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 14:39 next collapse

Where’s the proof that the journalists were actually the target? If you’re running around a battlefield with a camera and calling yourself a journalist, which anyone can do, it’s kinda on you if you get blown up. It’s not like a battlefield is a safe place to be hanging around in

momocchi@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 14:52 next collapse

hrw.org/…/israel-strikes-journalists-lebanon-appa…

“Witness accounts and video and photo evidence that Human Rights Watch verified indicate that the journalists were well removed from ongoing hostilities, clearly identifiable as members of the media, and had been stationary for at least 75 minutes before they were hit by two consecutive strikes. Human Rights Watch found no evidence of a military target near the journalists’ location.”

aelwero@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 15:14 next collapse

Theres a very easy way to sort out the issue of bias that’s gonna be inherent in journalists reporting an alleged bias against journalists…

(From NPR)

Over a month into the war in the Gaza Strip, international news organizations have little, if any, access to Gaza. Israel, which is bombing Gaza in response to the deadly Hamas attack on its soil, controls access. And with the exception of brief tours with a limited number of reporters, Israel has not been granting journalists access to the region.

Address that and the answers will come…

can@sh.itjust.works on 26 Dec 2023 18:59 collapse

Israel didn’t grant access and therefore they can strike?

aelwero@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 20:16 next collapse

If they allow international journalists access to the area, we’ll either get better information about what’s happening, or the numbers will go down…

aelwero@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 20:25 collapse

If they allow international journalists access to the area, we’ll either get better information about what’s happening, or the numbers will go down…

sndmn@lemmy.ca on 26 Dec 2023 19:13 next collapse

Where’s your sense of decency? I’m just kidding. It’s obvious you don’t have one.

rivermonster@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 19:27 collapse

Not blinded by propaganda, likely.

rivermonster@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 19:26 next collapse

No shit, a journalist goes into the densest urban fighting of our time and gets killed, goddammed shocking. Especially one’s seeking to interview the terrorists who must be eliminated.

dustywinter@discuss.tchncs.de on 27 Dec 2023 03:10 collapse

www.reuters.com/graphics/…/index.html

Here is the article discussing the journalist. Reuters made an incredible effort to show, with evidence, how directly targeted the journalist group was.

intelshill@lemmy.ca on 26 Dec 2023 19:46 next collapse

There was a guy in a press vest in Lebanon with nobody else nearby

Dude got obliterated by Israeli weapons

dustywinter@discuss.tchncs.de on 27 Dec 2023 03:11 collapse

www.reuters.com/graphics/…/index.html

I believe this is the article you are referring to.

Jakdracula@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 14:58 next collapse

blog.paulbiggar.com/i-cant-sleep/

sndmn@lemmy.ca on 26 Dec 2023 19:19 next collapse

If journalists aren’t stopped, they will document Israel’s rampant war crimes.

intelshill@lemmy.ca on 26 Dec 2023 19:45 next collapse

yeah that’s a problem because it makes Israel look bad

groupofcrows@lemmy.ca on 26 Dec 2023 22:27 collapse

All journalist are antisemitic except the ones we agree with.

IDF, probably.

Treczoks@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 21:51 next collapse

And Israel gives a flying f.ck about these accusations and will continue to kill whomever they like. Children, journalists, civilans, foreign aid workers, their own people waving white flags - everyone is a target, nothing else.

FinalRemix@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2023 23:35 collapse

The IDF have already openly admitted to comitting war crimes. They don’t have to give a shit because everyone’s gonna kiss Israel’s ass no matter what.

SplashJackson@lemmy.ca on 27 Dec 2023 00:11 collapse

I heard that if you talk up against these guys they call you antiseptic, well sticks and stones mate, sticks and stones.

SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world on 27 Dec 2023 04:25 collapse

Hey, penicillin does good work, don’t be badmouthing antiseptics