fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world
on 20 Feb 10:34
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Why does it seem like every genocide on Earth has to do with at least one of the abrahamic religions, when not two or even all three?
But yea… “Zionists.” Let’s pick the abrahamic religion with the fewest adherents and least blood of their hands, historically, and call them Nazis. Sure. Let’s ignore China, Myanmar, Sudan - let’s just call the whole of Northern Africa the Middle East moving into a southern Asian. And as far as I know every single-ass one of these has to do with mostly 1. Muslims and then 2. Christians and the least of these would be the Jews.
Brother, don’t mix up zionism and judaism, that’s really antisemitic.
Zionism is an ethnocultural nationalist movement to establish and support a Jewish homeland through colonization in the region of Palestine. Most zionists are Christians in Europe and the USA.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world
on 20 Feb 12:47
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So saying “don’t confuse Zionism with Judaism” is correct, but only whenwe also acknowledge that Zionism itself isn’t monolithic and doesn’t map perfectly onto any single religious or political identity.
Some Zionists will support a two-state solution, others might support a Jewish-nation-state and others a more secular(culturally Jewish) nation. Some Israelis and Jews are anti-Zionist. And some people are zionists while abhoring what’s happening in Palestine and don’t hesitate to sharply condemn Israel’s actions.
But I used it in quotes for that very reason. Some people bitching and whining about Zionists seem rather antisemitic. That was the point. Anti-zionism, for some, is just antisemitism with a new label.
Brother, you implicated that all jews are zionists, by saying that we “pick the abrahamic religion with the fewest adherents and least blood on their hands, and call them nazis”.
And it doesn’t matter if a white colonial ideology to create a purely jewish country is diverse or not. The problem is the colonialism, and the fact that the idea is to remove every non-jew from that land. The cherry on top of that cake is obviously that most of the people that have israeli passport are of white european descent (from europe directly, or from the USA).
Also, and that’s just meant as a side note, the two state solution is no solution. Look at the USA, and how the reservations work out, because that’s where this idea is originating from.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world
on 20 Feb 15:27
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You say colonialism I say darwinism.
You say racist angry antisemitic crap. Then project it. Hilarious.
I didn’t implicate that all Jews are Zionists. In fact, I explicitly said the opposite!
Again. Zionism isn’t monolithic and some Jews and Israelis are anti-Zionist. So that accusation doesn’t really land.
On the “white colonial ideology” point: the demographics don’t support that framing as a universal description. A large share of Jewish citizens are of Middle Eastern and North African descent (Mizrahi/Sephardi), many of whose families were expelled or fled from surrounding countries in the 20th century.
Calling the entire population “white European colonists” erases that history.
It’s also not accurate to say Zionism inherently means removing every non-Jew. There are forms of Zionism that envision a Jewish-majority state alongside full civil rights for minorities, and about 20% of Israeli citizens today are Arab. So that’s the reality.
You can oppose Israeli policies or nationalist models without redefining the ideology into its most extreme version and treating that as the only one.
On the two-state comparison to reservations… that analogy assumes one side would have total dominance over the other in perpetuity. Whether someone supports or opposes two states, the proposal in international diplomacy has generally been two sovereign states, not a reservation system.
You can argue it’s unworkable, but it’s not historically accurate to say it “originates” from U.S. reservations.
If the argument is that nationalism tied to ethnicity or religion is morally wrong, that’s a coherent position, and I agree, but then the critique should be applied consistently to many nation-states around the world, not uniquely framed around Jews or “Zionists.”
And again I’m using quotations around “Zionist” cuz that’s the term you originally used. But that’s not what you really mean. We all know what you really mean and has nothing to do with quote-unquote “Zionism.”
You played it all pretty clear, “death to white jews.” Right? Because I have very good reading comprehension. And that’s exactly what you’re supporting.
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Damn Zionists at it again.
Why does it seem like every genocide on Earth has to do with at least one of the abrahamic religions, when not two or even all three?
But yea… “Zionists.” Let’s pick the abrahamic religion with the fewest adherents and least blood of their hands, historically, and call them Nazis. Sure. Let’s ignore China, Myanmar, Sudan - let’s just call the whole of Northern Africa the Middle East moving into a southern Asian. And as far as I know every single-ass one of these has to do with mostly 1. Muslims and then 2. Christians and the least of these would be the Jews.
Thank God I’m an atheist.
Brother, don’t mix up zionism and judaism, that’s really antisemitic.
Zionism is an ethnocultural nationalist movement to establish and support a Jewish homeland through colonization in the region of Palestine. Most zionists are Christians in Europe and the USA.
So saying “don’t confuse Zionism with Judaism” is correct, but only whenwe also acknowledge that Zionism itself isn’t monolithic and doesn’t map perfectly onto any single religious or political identity.
Some Zionists will support a two-state solution, others might support a Jewish-nation-state and others a more secular(culturally Jewish) nation. Some Israelis and Jews are anti-Zionist. And some people are zionists while abhoring what’s happening in Palestine and don’t hesitate to sharply condemn Israel’s actions.
But I used it in quotes for that very reason. Some people bitching and whining about Zionists seem rather antisemitic. That was the point. Anti-zionism, for some, is just antisemitism with a new label.
Brother, you implicated that all jews are zionists, by saying that we “pick the abrahamic religion with the fewest adherents and least blood on their hands, and call them nazis”.
And it doesn’t matter if a white colonial ideology to create a purely jewish country is diverse or not. The problem is the colonialism, and the fact that the idea is to remove every non-jew from that land. The cherry on top of that cake is obviously that most of the people that have israeli passport are of white european descent (from europe directly, or from the USA).
Also, and that’s just meant as a side note, the two state solution is no solution. Look at the USA, and how the reservations work out, because that’s where this idea is originating from.
You say colonialism I say darwinism.
You say racist angry antisemitic crap. Then project it. Hilarious.
I didn’t implicate that all Jews are Zionists. In fact, I explicitly said the opposite!
Again. Zionism isn’t monolithic and some Jews and Israelis are anti-Zionist. So that accusation doesn’t really land.
On the “white colonial ideology” point: the demographics don’t support that framing as a universal description. A large share of Jewish citizens are of Middle Eastern and North African descent (Mizrahi/Sephardi), many of whose families were expelled or fled from surrounding countries in the 20th century.
Calling the entire population “white European colonists” erases that history.
It’s also not accurate to say Zionism inherently means removing every non-Jew. There are forms of Zionism that envision a Jewish-majority state alongside full civil rights for minorities, and about 20% of Israeli citizens today are Arab. So that’s the reality.
You can oppose Israeli policies or nationalist models without redefining the ideology into its most extreme version and treating that as the only one.
On the two-state comparison to reservations… that analogy assumes one side would have total dominance over the other in perpetuity. Whether someone supports or opposes two states, the proposal in international diplomacy has generally been two sovereign states, not a reservation system.
You can argue it’s unworkable, but it’s not historically accurate to say it “originates” from U.S. reservations.
If the argument is that nationalism tied to ethnicity or religion is morally wrong, that’s a coherent position, and I agree, but then the critique should be applied consistently to many nation-states around the world, not uniquely framed around Jews or “Zionists.”
And again I’m using quotations around “Zionist” cuz that’s the term you originally used. But that’s not what you really mean. We all know what you really mean and has nothing to do with quote-unquote “Zionism.”
You played it all pretty clear, “death to white jews.” Right? Because I have very good reading comprehension. And that’s exactly what you’re supporting.
Ok, I don’t need to read more to know that you’re either stupid (white supremacist) or trolling.
Have the day you deserve.
Found the evolution denialist.
Enjoy that young Earth creation, fam.
Lulz
I’m not a supremacist of any kind and I’m not trolling. You obviously just need to learn to read and comprehend what you’re actually reading.
I can explain things to you. I can’t understand them for you!
What are you talking about? No, no Zionist wants a two state solution, that’s the opposite of what Zionism is
Cool. Tell me more about stuff you know nothing about. /S
UAE and israel backed RSF killing sudanese muslims. Here FTFY