Vegans had a 40% higher risk of bowel cancer when compared with meat eaters.
Regarding vegetarians and cancer yes, but most studies show that a moderate intake of meat is beneficial to your OVERALL health. And this study does NOT show that less meat the better.
Also a lot of studies including this one, show that some nutrients are hard to obtain as a vegan, so you need supplements to stay healthy. Especially if you are Vegan.
I don’t think you read the article, but just had a knee jerk reaction to the headline.
I’m not the person you responded to. But I feel personally attacked by your last sentence. How dare you. That is the way of the internet comment section. What kind of world would we live in if people actually read the article?
Yes I am aware that this is a cultural thing among many people. And responses by people that read the article can seem confusing.
Admittedly I do it myself sometimes, but in this case that regards peoples health, I think a clarification was in place. 😋
Here it means less than 150g per day. But there is no minimum recommendation AFAIK, probably because most people eat too much.
So optimal amount is a bit murky. It probably also varies depending of what types of meat you eat. It is generally understood that chicken is better for your health than red meat.
150gr is moderate ?! Daaaaamn. TIL our family is moderate as fuck then. More than 150 is just not feeling okay. We are pushing to 200 when it’s steak day. I’m curious what’s the average now.
Interesting how they call out vitamin B and calcium. Ovo/lactose vegetarians have just as much dairy as meat eaters and probably eat even more calcium-rich foods like kale and other greens. Most dairy substitutes are calcium fortified as well.
Yes the calcium part is outright weird? Regarding B vitamin I think it’s some specific B vitamins like B12, definitely not all of them.
I think there may have been some journalistic misunderstanding, because it is mentioned in context with Vegans, while the article also seems to lump the 2 together at times. Which is a problem IMO, because there’s a huge difference between Vegetarian that drink milk and eat fish and eggs, and a Vegan that eat zero animal products.
Soulcreator@programming.dev
on 27 Feb 13:12
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I agree with everything you said, except for one point. Vegetarians by definition do not eat fish, pescatarian is likely the word you are looking for as they eat everything you listed with the inclusion of fish.
Ah ok I thought fish was included, because I’ve known some who call themselves vegetarians who eat fish.
Soulcreator@programming.dev
on 27 Feb 14:13
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It’s a common misunderstanding, not exactly sure where it stems from. When I was a vegetarian many years ago it wouldn’t be uncommon for people to offer me fish.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 27 Feb 19:40
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Vegetarians don’t drink milk or eat fish and eggs
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 22:21
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Not at forms of calcium are the same.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 11:28
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And how many of the studies did you actually read?
I’m not an expert in the field, reading it wouldn’t help me discern much. That’s why we typically rely on recommendations from expert bodies, who review the literature and understand it.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 13:10
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“I’m not an expert in the field but I know that pretty much every study says the less meat, the healthier”.
So how do you know if you haven’t read the studies and are not an expert?
Which studies? A quick search doesn’t seem to confirm that at all. From checking some of those studies, there seems to be a weak/low certainty correlation of lower meat consumption with lower cancer risks, a correlation (with geographical differences) of meat consumption with being overweight, but also other factors like smoking and low physical activity which really call into question whether other studies took that into account, and also a correlation between higher meat consumption and lower risk for depression (which I would also call into question given meat consumption’s correlation with high socioeconomic status).
All I can get from those metastudies is a big nothing burger of “maybe”'s in either direction.
The bad news about glyphosate is it’s apparently on everything.
It’s at the point where it may be confounding experiments that haven’t controlled for its presence.
That is just one of many, the second most used herbicide, atrazine, is in all the municipal water systems too, testing is done in spring usually when the water table is high, but in the fall when the water table is lower it returns higher values of pollutants. But atrazine is a potent endocrine disruptor, one of many out there.
Marcomunista@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Feb 12:05
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Okay, but who wants to live a long life these days? Do you have any idea how many crises I would have to go through just for choosing a healthy lifestyle? No, gentlemen, I will not give up carbonara in exchange for more years of life.
LoremIpsumGenerator@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 12:09
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Bad luck if you have ancestors who live reaching 100s, most likely will passed down.
daychilde@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 13:28
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Okay, but who wants to live a long life these days?
What a foolish question. You sound young.
I’m 50. I’ve had six heart attacks, a below knee amputation, and I’m on dialysis after my kidneys failed. Life is not easy, and yet I still wish it to go on. I am probably going to die within a decade, and I hate that. I should have 2-3 more, dammit.
Marcomunista@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Feb 14:04
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Yeah, do you want to live long enough to find out if you’ll suffer from senile dementia?
daychilde@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 15:18
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Well, here’s the thing. Some people get dementia and others don’t. While I’d prefer not to get dementia, it seems foolish to commit suicide right now for fear that I might be one of the ones that get it.
Marcomunista@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Feb 15:39
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No one is asking you to commit suicide, just to eat carbonara.
daychilde@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 15:54
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I would love some al dente carbonara right now. Unfortunately I think I’m oversensitive to gluten and dairy proteins. I’ve been trying for a few years now and that’s the conclusion I somewhat have to draw. Which sucks balls.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 15:00
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Also the years you lose/gain don’t come from the end, they come from wherever you are now. If you’re 30 and start exercising you feel better and younger longer in addition to living longer, the inverse if you decide to start smoking.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
on 27 Feb 14:21
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If you’re only consuming meat in carbonara you’re pretty much vegan to me.
Marcomunista@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Feb 15:40
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While being vegetarian appeared to be protective overall, the scientists also found that those who follow a vegetarian diet had nearly double the risk of the most common type of cancer of the oesophagus, known as squamous cell carcinoma, compared with meat eaters. This may be due to vegetarians being deficient in key nutrients such as B vitamins, the team suggested.
So you can just choose what kind of cancer you want by altering your diet.
I feel like we’re just gonna end up back where we always do, with moderation being the best policy. Don’t eat too much of any one thing but eat some of everything.
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At this point we’re beating a dead horseradish. Pretty much every study says the less meat, the healthier
Regarding vegetarians and cancer yes, but most studies show that a moderate intake of meat is beneficial to your OVERALL health. And this study does NOT show that less meat the better.
Also a lot of studies including this one, show that some nutrients are hard to obtain as a vegan, so you need supplements to stay healthy. Especially if you are Vegan.
I don’t think you read the article, but just had a knee jerk reaction to the headline.
I’m not the person you responded to. But I feel personally attacked by your last sentence. How dare you. That is the way of the internet comment section. What kind of world would we live in if people actually read the article?
Yes I am aware that this is a cultural thing among many people. And responses by people that read the article can seem confusing.
Admittedly I do it myself sometimes, but in this case that regards peoples health, I think a clarification was in place. 😋
Do we know what moderate means?
Here it means less than 150g per day. But there is no minimum recommendation AFAIK, probably because most people eat too much.
So optimal amount is a bit murky. It probably also varies depending of what types of meat you eat. It is generally understood that chicken is better for your health than red meat.
150gr is moderate ?! Daaaaamn. TIL our family is moderate as fuck then. More than 150 is just not feeling okay. We are pushing to 200 when it’s steak day. I’m curious what’s the average now.
Interesting how they call out vitamin B and calcium. Ovo/lactose vegetarians have just as much dairy as meat eaters and probably eat even more calcium-rich foods like kale and other greens. Most dairy substitutes are calcium fortified as well.
Yes the calcium part is outright weird? Regarding B vitamin I think it’s some specific B vitamins like B12, definitely not all of them.
I think there may have been some journalistic misunderstanding, because it is mentioned in context with Vegans, while the article also seems to lump the 2 together at times. Which is a problem IMO, because there’s a huge difference between Vegetarian that drink milk and eat fish and eggs, and a Vegan that eat zero animal products.
I agree with everything you said, except for one point. Vegetarians by definition do not eat fish, pescatarian is likely the word you are looking for as they eat everything you listed with the inclusion of fish.
Ah ok I thought fish was included, because I’ve known some who call themselves vegetarians who eat fish.
It’s a common misunderstanding, not exactly sure where it stems from. When I was a vegetarian many years ago it wouldn’t be uncommon for people to offer me fish.
Vegetarians don’t drink milk or eat fish and eggs
Not at forms of calcium are the same.
And how many of the studies did you actually read?
My guess it’s zero
I’m not an expert in the field, reading it wouldn’t help me discern much. That’s why we typically rely on recommendations from expert bodies, who review the literature and understand it.
“I’m not an expert in the field but I know that pretty much every study says the less meat, the healthier”.
So how do you know if you haven’t read the studies and are not an expert?
News reporting
This topic got you all triggered, huh?
Which studies? A quick search doesn’t seem to confirm that at all. From checking some of those studies, there seems to be a weak/low certainty correlation of lower meat consumption with lower cancer risks, a correlation (with geographical differences) of meat consumption with being overweight, but also other factors like smoking and low physical activity which really call into question whether other studies took that into account, and also a correlation between higher meat consumption and lower risk for depression (which I would also call into question given meat consumption’s correlation with high socioeconomic status).
All I can get from those metastudies is a big nothing burger of “maybe”'s in either direction.
Except it’s not meat itself, but contaminants in the meat.
“It’s not the cigarette I smoke, it’s all the bad chemicals in the cigarette” Big brain time over here
If they put a shitload of glyphosate on corn, it’s not corn that gives you leukemia, it’s the glyphosate, ya smarmy axe grinder.
The bad news about glyphosate is it’s apparently on everything. It’s at the point where it may be confounding experiments that haven’t controlled for its presence.
That is just one of many, the second most used herbicide, atrazine, is in all the municipal water systems too, testing is done in spring usually when the water table is high, but in the fall when the water table is lower it returns higher values of pollutants. But atrazine is a potent endocrine disruptor, one of many out there.
Okay, but who wants to live a long life these days? Do you have any idea how many crises I would have to go through just for choosing a healthy lifestyle? No, gentlemen, I will not give up carbonara in exchange for more years of life.
Bad luck if you have ancestors who live reaching 100s, most likely will passed down.
What a foolish question. You sound young.
I’m 50. I’ve had six heart attacks, a below knee amputation, and I’m on dialysis after my kidneys failed. Life is not easy, and yet I still wish it to go on. I am probably going to die within a decade, and I hate that. I should have 2-3 more, dammit.
Yeah, do you want to live long enough to find out if you’ll suffer from senile dementia?
Well, here’s the thing. Some people get dementia and others don’t. While I’d prefer not to get dementia, it seems foolish to commit suicide right now for fear that I might be one of the ones that get it.
No one is asking you to commit suicide, just to eat carbonara.
A fate worse that death! :)
I would love some al dente carbonara right now. Unfortunately I think I’m oversensitive to gluten and dairy proteins. I’ve been trying for a few years now and that’s the conclusion I somewhat have to draw. Which sucks balls.
Sounds like suicide out of fear of death.
Also the years you lose/gain don’t come from the end, they come from wherever you are now. If you’re 30 and start exercising you feel better and younger longer in addition to living longer, the inverse if you decide to start smoking.
If you’re only consuming meat in carbonara you’re pretty much vegan to me.
You don’t know how much carbonara I can eat.
Quality over quantity, baby
A point missing from the headline:
So you can just choose what kind of cancer you want by altering your diet.
I feel like we’re just gonna end up back where we always do, with moderation being the best policy. Don’t eat too much of any one thing but eat some of everything.
I mean it says overall protective, so no, not just equal choice. Also seems quite easy to fix if it is only due to lack of B vitamins.