inari@piefed.zip
on 27 Feb 2026 09:14
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At this point we’re beating a dead horseradish. Pretty much every study says the less meat, the healthier
Buffalox@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 09:30
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Vegans had a 40% higher risk of bowel cancer when compared with meat eaters.
Regarding vegetarians and cancer yes, but most studies show that a moderate intake of meat is beneficial to your OVERALL health. And this study does NOT show that less meat the better.
Also a lot of studies including this one, show that some nutrients are hard to obtain as a vegan, so you need supplements to stay healthy. Especially if you are Vegan.
I don’t think you read the article, but just had a knee jerk reaction to the headline.
I’m not the person you responded to. But I feel personally attacked by your last sentence. How dare you. That is the way of the internet comment section. What kind of world would we live in if people actually read the article?
Buffalox@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 09:40
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Yes I am aware that this is a cultural thing among many people. And responses by people that read the article can seem confusing.
Admittedly I do it myself sometimes, but in this case that regards peoples health, I think a clarification was in place. 😋
blackn1ght@feddit.uk
on 27 Feb 2026 09:42
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Do we know what moderate means?
Buffalox@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 09:53
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Here it means less than 150g per day. But there is no minimum recommendation AFAIK, probably because most people eat too much.
So optimal amount is a bit murky. It probably also varies depending of what types of meat you eat. It is generally understood that chicken is better for your health than red meat.
150gr is moderate ?! Daaaaamn. TIL our family is moderate as fuck then. More than 150 is just not feeling okay. We are pushing to 200 when it’s steak day. I’m curious what’s the average now.
Buffalox@lemmy.world
on 28 Feb 2026 12:31
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I live in Denmark, and we were highest on meat consumption in 2002, but in 2020 the amount of meat consumed per person was cut by more than half!
So the highest number was in 2002 with 146 kg per year per person, or 397 gr per day, more than double the recommendation on average!
Supermarkets here are making smaller packages, and beef is now taxed to reduce consumption of that in particular. Also because it is considered more environmentally harmful than other types of meat.
Buffalox@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 10:07
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Yes the calcium part is outright weird? Regarding B vitamin I think it’s some specific B vitamins like B12, definitely not all of them.
I think there may have been some journalistic misunderstanding, because it is mentioned in context with Vegans, while the article also seems to lump the 2 together at times. Which is a problem IMO, because there’s a huge difference between Vegetarian that drink milk and eat fish and eggs, and a Vegan that eat zero animal products.
Soulcreator@programming.dev
on 27 Feb 2026 13:12
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I agree with everything you said, except for one point. Vegetarians by definition do not eat fish, pescatarian is likely the word you are looking for as they eat everything you listed with the inclusion of fish.
Buffalox@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 13:33
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Ah ok I thought fish was included, because I’ve known some who call themselves vegetarians who eat fish.
Soulcreator@programming.dev
on 27 Feb 2026 14:13
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It’s a common misunderstanding, not exactly sure where it stems from. When I was a vegetarian many years ago it wouldn’t be uncommon for people to offer me fish.
bramkaandorp@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 22:55
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Maybe it comes from the distinction between meat and fish that stems from fasting in Catholicism.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 27 Feb 2026 19:40
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FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
on 04 Mar 2026 14:36
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You’ve confused the term vegetarian with vegan. Vegetarians just don’t eat meat and fish, vegans don’t eat any animal products (no milk, eggs, or honey)
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Mar 2026 18:05
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Vegans follow a vegetarian diet, but it’s far from only being about diet. Lacto-ovo-vegetarians call themselves vegetarians because they are in denial about their own carnism
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
on 04 Mar 2026 18:53
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I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Vegetarian diets and vegan diets aren’t the same
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Mar 2026 20:44
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Most so-called “vegetarians” are nothing of the sort. Most actual vegetarians are vegans. Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is a self-soothing delusion.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
on 04 Mar 2026 22:22
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By definition, if they don’t eat meat, they’re vegetarian. I get that you believe it moral hypocrisy to eat cheese and eggs if vegetarian but they are still, by definition, vegetarian
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 05 Mar 2026 04:30
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Sorry I didn’t know definitions were ordained by God
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
on 05 Mar 2026 08:49
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You don’t get to gatekeep who is vegetarian just because you don’t like the widely accepted definition. That’s like insisting only acute triangles are triangles. There is a distinction between vegetarian and vegan specifically because vegans avoid eggs, dairy, and honey.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
on 04 Mar 2026 18:56
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It sounds like you think the only options are veganism (which you call vegetarianism) or carnism
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Mar 2026 20:42
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Vegetarianism is a diet, veganism is a philosophy. Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is a self-soothing delusion.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
on 04 Mar 2026 22:20
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No, they both describe diets. One refrains from eating meat, the other refrains from eating all animal products
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 05 Mar 2026 04:25
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Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 22:21
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Not at forms of calcium are the same.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 11:28
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And how many of the studies did you actually read?
My guess it’s zero
inari@piefed.zip
on 27 Feb 2026 11:37
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I’m not an expert in the field, reading it wouldn’t help me discern much. That’s why we typically rely on recommendations from expert bodies, who review the literature and understand it.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 13:10
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“I’m not an expert in the field but I know that pretty much every study says the less meat, the healthier”.
So how do you know if you haven’t read the studies and are not an expert?
Which studies? A quick search doesn’t seem to confirm that at all. From checking some of those studies, there seems to be a weak/low certainty correlation of lower meat consumption with lower cancer risks, a correlation (with geographical differences) of meat consumption with being overweight, but also other factors like smoking and low physical activity which really call into question whether other studies took that into account, and also a correlation between higher meat consumption and lower risk for depression (which I would also call into question given meat consumption’s correlation with high socioeconomic status).
All I can get from those metastudies is a big nothing burger of “maybe”'s in either direction.
The bad news about glyphosate is it’s apparently on everything.
It’s at the point where it may be confounding experiments that haven’t controlled for its presence.
That is just one of many, the second most used herbicide, atrazine, is in all the municipal water systems too, testing is done in spring usually when the water table is high, but in the fall when the water table is lower it returns higher values of pollutants. But atrazine is a potent endocrine disruptor, one of many out there.
Marcomunista@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Feb 2026 12:05
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Okay, but who wants to live a long life these days? Do you have any idea how many crises I would have to go through just for choosing a healthy lifestyle? No, gentlemen, I will not give up carbonara in exchange for more years of life.
LoremIpsumGenerator@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 12:09
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Bad luck if you have ancestors who live reaching 100s, most likely will passed down.
daychilde@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 13:28
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Okay, but who wants to live a long life these days?
What a foolish question. You sound young.
I’m 50. I’ve had six heart attacks, a below knee amputation, and I’m on dialysis after my kidneys failed. Life is not easy, and yet I still wish it to go on. I am probably going to die within a decade, and I hate that. I should have 2-3 more, dammit.
Marcomunista@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Feb 2026 14:04
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Yeah, do you want to live long enough to find out if you’ll suffer from senile dementia?
daychilde@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 15:18
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Well, here’s the thing. Some people get dementia and others don’t. While I’d prefer not to get dementia, it seems foolish to commit suicide right now for fear that I might be one of the ones that get it.
Marcomunista@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Feb 2026 15:39
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No one is asking you to commit suicide, just to eat carbonara.
daychilde@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 15:54
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I would love some al dente carbonara right now. Unfortunately I think I’m oversensitive to gluten and dairy proteins. I’ve been trying for a few years now and that’s the conclusion I somewhat have to draw. Which sucks balls.
homoludens@feddit.org
on 27 Feb 2026 15:31
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Sounds like suicide out of fear of death.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 15:00
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Also the years you lose/gain don’t come from the end, they come from wherever you are now. If you’re 30 and start exercising you feel better and younger longer in addition to living longer, the inverse if you decide to start smoking.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
on 27 Feb 2026 14:21
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If you’re only consuming meat in carbonara you’re pretty much vegan to me.
Marcomunista@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Feb 2026 15:40
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You don’t know how much carbonara I can eat.
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Feb 2026 23:03
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People who die at 60 tend not to have very enjoyable 50’s.
I want to live a high quality life at least to 75, if not 80, and I’m guessing that will make it much more likely that I end up living to 90 or 100.
474D@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 2026 13:07
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While being vegetarian appeared to be protective overall, the scientists also found that those who follow a vegetarian diet had nearly double the risk of the most common type of cancer of the oesophagus, known as squamous cell carcinoma, compared with meat eaters. This may be due to vegetarians being deficient in key nutrients such as B vitamins, the team suggested.
So you can just choose what kind of cancer you want by altering your diet.
I feel like we’re just gonna end up back where we always do, with moderation being the best policy. Don’t eat too much of any one thing but eat some of everything.
Applejuicy@feddit.nl
on 27 Feb 2026 22:02
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I mean it says overall protective, so no, not just equal choice. Also seems quite easy to fix if it is only due to lack of B vitamins.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
on 04 Mar 2026 14:33
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The best is to eat meat sometimes and vegetarian meals sometimes (with cheese, mushrooms, tofu, or something else besides meat for protein)
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml
on 27 Feb 2026 22:44
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Brace yourselves for all the meat eaters suddenly getting extremely defensive…
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
on 04 Mar 2026 14:29
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I haven’t gone full vegetarian but I eat vegetarian meals a lot
These studies aren’t very useful without considering the base rate. From Google, the lifetime risk for men for pancreatic cancer is about 1.8% (1.7% for women). the article said vegetarians had 21% less chance, which means it’s a 1.4% chance.
To me this smells like a study with a lot of data massaging to get something publishable.
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At this point we’re beating a dead horseradish. Pretty much every study says the less meat, the healthier
Regarding vegetarians and cancer yes, but most studies show that a moderate intake of meat is beneficial to your OVERALL health. And this study does NOT show that less meat the better.
Also a lot of studies including this one, show that some nutrients are hard to obtain as a vegan, so you need supplements to stay healthy. Especially if you are Vegan.
I don’t think you read the article, but just had a knee jerk reaction to the headline.
I’m not the person you responded to. But I feel personally attacked by your last sentence. How dare you. That is the way of the internet comment section. What kind of world would we live in if people actually read the article?
Yes I am aware that this is a cultural thing among many people. And responses by people that read the article can seem confusing.
Admittedly I do it myself sometimes, but in this case that regards peoples health, I think a clarification was in place. 😋
Do we know what moderate means?
Here it means less than 150g per day. But there is no minimum recommendation AFAIK, probably because most people eat too much.
So optimal amount is a bit murky. It probably also varies depending of what types of meat you eat. It is generally understood that chicken is better for your health than red meat.
150gr is moderate ?! Daaaaamn. TIL our family is moderate as fuck then. More than 150 is just not feeling okay. We are pushing to 200 when it’s steak day. I’m curious what’s the average now.
en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_countries_by_meat_cons…
I live in Denmark, and we were highest on meat consumption in 2002, but in 2020 the amount of meat consumed per person was cut by more than half!
So the highest number was in 2002 with 146 kg per year per person, or 397 gr per day, more than double the recommendation on average!
Supermarkets here are making smaller packages, and beef is now taxed to reduce consumption of that in particular. Also because it is considered more environmentally harmful than other types of meat.
Yes the calcium part is outright weird? Regarding B vitamin I think it’s some specific B vitamins like B12, definitely not all of them.
I think there may have been some journalistic misunderstanding, because it is mentioned in context with Vegans, while the article also seems to lump the 2 together at times. Which is a problem IMO, because there’s a huge difference between Vegetarian that drink milk and eat fish and eggs, and a Vegan that eat zero animal products.
I agree with everything you said, except for one point. Vegetarians by definition do not eat fish, pescatarian is likely the word you are looking for as they eat everything you listed with the inclusion of fish.
Ah ok I thought fish was included, because I’ve known some who call themselves vegetarians who eat fish.
It’s a common misunderstanding, not exactly sure where it stems from. When I was a vegetarian many years ago it wouldn’t be uncommon for people to offer me fish.
Maybe it comes from the distinction between meat and fish that stems from fasting in Catholicism.
Vegetarians don’t drink milk or eat fish and eggs
Lacto-ovo-vegetarians aren’t vegetarians, they’re carnists
You’ve confused the term vegetarian with vegan. Vegetarians just don’t eat meat and fish, vegans don’t eat any animal products (no milk, eggs, or honey)
Vegans follow a vegetarian diet, but it’s far from only being about diet. Lacto-ovo-vegetarians call themselves vegetarians because they are in denial about their own carnism
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Vegetarian diets and vegan diets aren’t the same
Most so-called “vegetarians” are nothing of the sort. Most actual vegetarians are vegans. Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is a self-soothing delusion.
By definition, if they don’t eat meat, they’re vegetarian. I get that you believe it moral hypocrisy to eat cheese and eggs if vegetarian but they are still, by definition, vegetarian
Sorry I didn’t know definitions were ordained by God
You don’t get to gatekeep who is vegetarian just because you don’t like the widely accepted definition. That’s like insisting only acute triangles are triangles. There is a distinction between vegetarian and vegan specifically because vegans avoid eggs, dairy, and honey.
It sounds like you think the only options are veganism (which you call vegetarianism) or carnism
Vegetarianism is a diet, veganism is a philosophy. Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is a self-soothing delusion.
No, they both describe diets. One refrains from eating meat, the other refrains from eating all animal products
www.vegansociety.com/…/definition-veganism
Not at forms of calcium are the same.
And how many of the studies did you actually read?
My guess it’s zero
I’m not an expert in the field, reading it wouldn’t help me discern much. That’s why we typically rely on recommendations from expert bodies, who review the literature and understand it.
“I’m not an expert in the field but I know that pretty much every study says the less meat, the healthier”.
So how do you know if you haven’t read the studies and are not an expert?
News reporting
This topic got you all triggered, huh?
Which studies? A quick search doesn’t seem to confirm that at all. From checking some of those studies, there seems to be a weak/low certainty correlation of lower meat consumption with lower cancer risks, a correlation (with geographical differences) of meat consumption with being overweight, but also other factors like smoking and low physical activity which really call into question whether other studies took that into account, and also a correlation between higher meat consumption and lower risk for depression (which I would also call into question given meat consumption’s correlation with high socioeconomic status).
All I can get from those metastudies is a big nothing burger of “maybe”'s in either direction.
Except it’s not meat itself, but contaminants in the meat.
“It’s not the cigarette I smoke, it’s all the bad chemicals in the cigarette” Big brain time over here
If they put a shitload of glyphosate on corn, it’s not corn that gives you leukemia, it’s the glyphosate, ya smarmy axe grinder.
The bad news about glyphosate is it’s apparently on everything. It’s at the point where it may be confounding experiments that haven’t controlled for its presence.
That is just one of many, the second most used herbicide, atrazine, is in all the municipal water systems too, testing is done in spring usually when the water table is high, but in the fall when the water table is lower it returns higher values of pollutants. But atrazine is a potent endocrine disruptor, one of many out there.
Okay, but who wants to live a long life these days? Do you have any idea how many crises I would have to go through just for choosing a healthy lifestyle? No, gentlemen, I will not give up carbonara in exchange for more years of life.
Bad luck if you have ancestors who live reaching 100s, most likely will passed down.
What a foolish question. You sound young.
I’m 50. I’ve had six heart attacks, a below knee amputation, and I’m on dialysis after my kidneys failed. Life is not easy, and yet I still wish it to go on. I am probably going to die within a decade, and I hate that. I should have 2-3 more, dammit.
Yeah, do you want to live long enough to find out if you’ll suffer from senile dementia?
Well, here’s the thing. Some people get dementia and others don’t. While I’d prefer not to get dementia, it seems foolish to commit suicide right now for fear that I might be one of the ones that get it.
No one is asking you to commit suicide, just to eat carbonara.
A fate worse that death! :)
I would love some al dente carbonara right now. Unfortunately I think I’m oversensitive to gluten and dairy proteins. I’ve been trying for a few years now and that’s the conclusion I somewhat have to draw. Which sucks balls.
Sounds like suicide out of fear of death.
Also the years you lose/gain don’t come from the end, they come from wherever you are now. If you’re 30 and start exercising you feel better and younger longer in addition to living longer, the inverse if you decide to start smoking.
If you’re only consuming meat in carbonara you’re pretty much vegan to me.
You don’t know how much carbonara I can eat.
People who die at 60 tend not to have very enjoyable 50’s.
I want to live a high quality life at least to 75, if not 80, and I’m guessing that will make it much more likely that I end up living to 90 or 100.
Quality over quantity, baby
A point missing from the headline:
So you can just choose what kind of cancer you want by altering your diet.
I feel like we’re just gonna end up back where we always do, with moderation being the best policy. Don’t eat too much of any one thing but eat some of everything.
I mean it says overall protective, so no, not just equal choice. Also seems quite easy to fix if it is only due to lack of B vitamins.
The best is to eat meat sometimes and vegetarian meals sometimes (with cheese, mushrooms, tofu, or something else besides meat for protein)
Brace yourselves for all the meat eaters suddenly getting extremely defensive…
I haven’t gone full vegetarian but I eat vegetarian meals a lot
These studies aren’t very useful without considering the base rate. From Google, the lifetime risk for men for pancreatic cancer is about 1.8% (1.7% for women). the article said vegetarians had 21% less chance, which means it’s a 1.4% chance.
To me this smells like a study with a lot of data massaging to get something publishable.