Gaza flotilla with Greta Thunberg on board departs Barcelona
(www.bbc.com)
from Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 02 Sep 07:49
https://lemmy.world/post/35332781
from Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 02 Sep 07:49
https://lemmy.world/post/35332781
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I have to say I don’t get this. They keep trying again and again but to what end. There’s no way this will change anything. The navy will intercept them, maybe kill some people in the process, dump the food and sent them back home. It all feels like a huge waste of manpower, resources and time.
But by this point I’m wondering if Greta feels like she’s achieving much with the make noise strategy. I feel like that could work in a world that cares which ours increasingly is not that. She could attain more by going into politics for example. But dying in the sea on her way to a brick wall would be a huge loss that I can’t follow the logic of.
My guess is it's a form of highly visible and publicized protest.
The fact that you now know about this event and who is involved and talking about it here proves they have been successful.
They don't really care if the food arrives or not, they just want you to pay attention to their humanitarian efforts and how it's being diverted.
just by saying they’re going, they’ve made israel state publicly that they will be treated like terrorists when caught. if israel does treat non-violent nationals of “allied” countries like that, they’ve officially burned quite a few bridges.
I don’t understand why they are publicizing this. Wouldn’t it be easier to ‘slip by’ under cover of night or whatever smuggler-esque strategies there are?
Because it is a publicity stunt.
“Publicity stunt” is just a pejorative description of activism, in this case.
If that’s how you want to interpret it, sure.
Feel free to put forward an alternative view
Sure:
“Publicity stunt” is just an objectively accurate description of activism, in this case.
If Israel does not let them through like last time then boom we have publicity of Israel actively denying food to Palestinians.
If Israel does let them through then they get to give aid to people in need.
So it’s either an aid mission or publicity stunt depending on what Israel decides to do.
Right, just that one of these options is highly more likely than the other. And everybody involved knows it.
So you agree that that is the publicity stunt part, which the activists can then use to shine yet another light on the evil that is the Israeli government.
Let me ask you this, what are you doing to make the world better or shine a light on things?
Yes, that is very often the point of activism.
Like not long ago we had a string of climate activists basically vandalizing random art and monuments. People called it great activism (especially here on lemmy), because it got attention. Even though these actions obviously couldn’t have any direct impact on the core problem that was protested.
So I think this flotilla is already much better activism. At least they are trying to do something meaningful, even if the attention is the main objective. I feel like you somehow think that I disapprove of this action. That’s not the case.
I write comments on lemmy.
Yeah I’m confused.
Have a wonderful day.
The point isn’t to get supplies to Gaza, it’s to put eyeballs on the fact that Israel is preventing supplies from getting into Gaza.
So alleviating their suffering isn’t the objective, rather to point out that they are suffering?
I think it’s more that one delivery is a drop in the bucket while achieving a constant stream of deliveries (e.g. the public puts enough pressure on their respective governments) could meaningfully address the problem
The objective is to draw attention to the famine that Israel is causing by publicising how Israel blocks the entry of aid with a very tangible example.
They’re going to get stopped either way. A flotilla of 27 civilian ships isn’t sneaking past one of the most advanced, heavily armed navies in the world, no matter how “sneaky” they try to be.
At least this way they’re on record for stopping the delivery.
if they try to sneak for sure they are getting killed
.ml moment
To point out its purposeful starvation. Israel claims they don’t have to,provide aid, it’s a war. This points out the hypocrisy that Israel are preventing peaceful aid. Israel are using hunger and famine as a weapon of war, to eliminate a people. Aka genocide and war crimes,
Everybody know that israel claims are BS. All leaders now that the occupying force has the obligation to provide necessities to the occupied
I’m surprised a
.mlaccount is saying this.Still, I’m curious if they have a real distribution plan should they make it through. I don’t imaging desperate people are going to make an orderly line, nor that the IDF will just watch it happen.
I’ve seen this kind of stereotyping around - what’s this about different attributes associated with different Lemmy domains? I just made a random one.
Tankie instance, but more relevant one that has a strong dislike of pragmatism when discussing leftist issues.
It’s a tankie instance?? I just saw that the description was lemmy.ml, I took it as to mean the most ‘generic’ one. (Given that it is ‘lemmy’) Where was this extra description?
Also I thought everyone was free to just choose whichever and there was no difference in the kind of accessibility or privilege to choosing one over another?
The
.mlstands for Marxist Leninist. Not really, but that’s how they use it. It is a generic instance, but it does have that reputation.I love their passion for issues, but their stubborn unpractical approach to solutions is frustrating.
Whaaat? Is there a list of other domains and what political agendas they stand for? Or what’s a completely politically neutered instance?
Also there definitely was nothing like that in the description. I feel like I’m being profiled. What’s going on
Neutral? Not sure there is. Maybe ask in one of the ask Lemmy communities. Tho generally Lemmy is left leaning as a whole.
Alright. Well everyone is entitled to their opinions. If we need to bring classism even into a federated environment, I guess it’s all in human nature.
Idk if I’d say its that. Some instances cater to techies, others to lgbt, and others to anarchy. Yours just happens to be Marxist. It also happens that many critiques around the
.mlservers are that they don’t care about practical results (often arguing against things that might give some relief). Your initial comment here is cutting against the grain of what that community typically advocate for.How do “.ml” communuties typically attract people from the same cut of cloth? It’s not like such leanings are written somewhere?
Either your in on how
.mlis used in that context or promoted in other circles with those leanings. Tho I don’t really know. Its also the instance that the main Lemmy dev manages.While some people defend the Russian invasion of Ukraine in ML, I have never seen comments as disturbing as those on .world that defend Israel unconditionally and blame Hamas for the genocide. Some even go so far as to claim that Palestinians do not exist, and that the entire land belongs to Jews because God supposedly gave it to them, or based on other stupid ancestral arguments.
Im on Lemmy a fair amount, but I’ve not seen that on
.world. Still wouldn’t surprise me given its one of the biggest instance.They just don’t expect to be allowed through. If they are, great! Then they’d do this again with an even bigger flotilla, and keep helping people as long as they’re allowed to.
However, what they expect to happen is that they’ll be stopped. So they’re making sure they’re positioned to take full advantage of that, too.
I understand it better now, clearly there are others that didn’t like my question. I guess there are ‘stupid’ questions to ask.
But regardless, the take for me is they are taking more a ‘martyrdom’ sort of approach, which I completely respect.
The downside to the plan failing is that they alleviate suffering.
Because terrorism is the point
This is terrorism? Explain.
Please enlighten us how this is terrorism?
If they don’t, Israel could just say they didn’t know and just blow them up.
It seems like a gamble that both sides are doing - ‘blockade runners’ going to initiate an internationally effective response after they are illegally kidnapped, and that Israel is betting that no one can find the balls to do anything.
No, it won’t be easier. Israel has all the tools to intercept them
because they dont want to get there they want the headlines when they are turned away
The same thing will happen as last time. Gaza needs food though.
It’s 50 ships this time
You think that means one or two might slip through?
blockade stops 50 ships just as easily, these are not blockade running ships.
They are right about the haircut though.
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That being said, genocide through purposeful mass starvation is quite possibly the most heinous crime that exists. God bless anyone does anything at all to fight against it
I actually like it, she wears it well.
Ah shit here we go again. What’s ironic is that the Zionazis could get an easy PR win by letting them in to distribute aid but that would interfere with their long term extermination goals.