Did Donald Trump Jr just break the law by meeting with Viktor Orban? (www.independent.co.uk)
from jeffw@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 2024 02:35
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autotldr@lemmings.world on 14 Jun 2024 02:40 next collapse

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Donald Trump Jr, four months after being hit with a $4 million fine and a ban on serving as an officer of a New York company for two years, is seeking opportunities elsewhere — namely, Hungary.

There, he met with Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and gave a talk entitled “The World According to Donald Trump Jr.,” an event first reported by Hungarian journalist Szabolcs Panyi.

Trump Jr’s visit focused on discussions about “the future of Hungarian-American relations, the ongoing Russian-Ukrainian war, and opportunities for peace creation,” according to Zoltan Kovacs, spokesperson for Orbán’s office.

“To have the Republicans’ likely candidate taking a position on foreign policy [as it relates to Russia and Ukraine], getting close to actively opposing what the administration is doing, is a worrying situation we ought to be talking about,” Baker told The Independent.

Orbán’s success leading an “authoritarian” government relied on “decapitating” the civil service and replacing it with his extremist allies, which mirrors the Project 2025 strategy, Scheppele told The Independent.

Wes Coopersmith, the Chief of Staff for the Heritage Foundation who oversees Project 2025, previously told The Independent that replacing employees with Republican allies if Trump is elected would be “democratic.”


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FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 2024 11:04 collapse

God I hate this bot so much. It leaves out important shit all the time. The most important thing of all was left out of this summary, why it’s illegal:

“There is an interesting US legal question about whether private citizens can attempt to influence US foreign policy by negotiating with foreign countries,” Scheppele told The Independent. “The Logan Act makes this illegal.”

Specifically, Trump Jr, who does not hold any government office, spoke with Orbán regarding US foreign policy as it relates to Ukraine.

And still 10 people upvoted it. They came in here after seeing Don Jr. may have broken the law, read a summary that didn’t explain it and upvoted it.

Fucking shameful.

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 14 Jun 2024 02:43 next collapse

Oh wow. I didn’t even know that (the Logan Act and what it means) was a thing. So… Was Dennis Rodman authorized to negotiate with Kim Jong or what was up with that whole thing?

Drusas@kbin.run on 14 Jun 2024 04:19 next collapse

My impression was that Rodman went there to fawn, not to negotiate.

MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 2024 04:29 next collapse

Holy shit I totally forgot Dennis Rodman was best friends with Kim Jong Un. Id probably be cool with that being authorized, the last thing we need is that little dictator thinking he can grab a rebound.

Tower@lemm.ee on 14 Jun 2024 03:35 collapse

Indeed, not only “an accidental conversation” but an intentional one would fall outside the statute’s scope unless the U.S. citizen’s intent was to affect a foreign government’s policy in a concrete way. Thus, former basketball star Dennis Rodman most likely did not violate the statute when he traveled to North Korea and met with that country’s leader in an effort to promote “peace and love.”

www.lawfaremedia.org/…/logan-act-and-its-limits

floofloof@lemmy.ca on 14 Jun 2024 05:11 next collapse

There, he met with Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and gave a talk entitled “The World According to Donald Trump Jr.,” 

It’s incredible that there are people who read that title and decide to go and hear the talk.

Buddahriffic@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 2024 17:31 collapse

Might be good for a few laughs if your internet is down and you lost the all the dice from your board games.

abfarid@startrek.website on 14 Jun 2024 07:16 next collapse

Orban always looks like stage 1 uncanny Mr. Incredible.

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Samsy@lemmy.ml on 14 Jun 2024 07:23 next collapse

I bet he misses the “Jr” and was disappointed.

LudwigvanBeethoven@sh.itjust.works on 14 Jun 2024 10:18 next collapse

The country, meanwhile, is the uncanniest Mr. incredible, but instead of black and white, it’s orange and white (We love Fidesz)

slaacaa@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 2024 14:23 collapse

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UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 2024 13:16 next collapse

Orban, the leader of the Far Right movement?

RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works on 14 Jun 2024 14:09 next collapse

From the article: “It is unlikely the Department would ever pursue action against anyone using the Logan Act, given no one has been convicted of violating the 1799 law”

End of story.

kevindqc@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 2024 15:14 collapse

Why have a law on the books that does absolutely nothing…

Maalus@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 2024 15:31 next collapse

Because you don’t update the entire law system every year. Some laws were forgotten and no longer in use and that’s normal.

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ralphio@lemmy.world on 15 Jun 2024 02:18 collapse

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/…/516774/

From this interview in the Atlantic, looks like the guy being interviewed thinks it’s probably not constitutional as written. Basically it could run afoul the first amendment and they’d have to write a more specific law to enforce it.

gtvbfq6vo0@leminal.space on 14 Jun 2024 14:12 collapse

Post this about hunter biden and you are automatically banned. Lol