'They need a Nakba': Former Israeli intelligence chief calls Gaza death toll 'necessary' - Aharon Haliva said mounting death toll will serve as 'a message for future generations'
(www.middleeasteye.net)
from Saleh@feddit.org to world@lemmy.world on 16 Aug 2025 19:48
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from Saleh@feddit.org to world@lemmy.world on 16 Aug 2025 19:48
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Ullllghgh. Fucking rough read. Fuck this guy.
Is there no better source than middleasteye? They are massive hypocrites.
haaretz.com/…/00000198-b188-d5b5-a1dc-bfae1783000…
Treating people this way only sends the message of terror and violence. If there are going to be survivors of this genocide a need for retribution is completely understandable.
I need to vomit.
Oh, it's a message to future generations, alright. Probably not one that says what you would like it to though.
That’s zionism is about
Ah yes, a final solution
Fucking war criminal.
Shouldn't this be directed at Bibs?
You might not believe I'm anti-Zionist when say this, but I'll say it anyway: The genocide of one people to cure genocide of another is the wrong thing to do.
I wish him a very unpleasant 🔻.
Red triangle?
Does he understand the message being sent is that Israel should not exist anymore? They’ve also made themselves target #1 for all Muslim nations moving forward for ever more. Welcome to further destabilizing the Middle East! Wheeeee. Don’t worry folks, it’s necessary.
In his arrogance, he thinks that Israel can exist without its being a cat’s paw for western imperialism. When it’s no longer useful to the US and the EU, it’ll dry up and blow away.
Ah yes, the same message that has been batted back and forth for thousands of years, and which has been only made conflict in the Middle East ever worse.
I’m sure this time it will be completely different and actually work. /s
What?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIdCsMufIY
So the land changed land a few times over the course of history? How is that different from any other part of the world?
You just moved the goal posts, but to answer your question, most good people have some sense of shame over that and don’t wish to see it continue.
It was and will always be about ressources and land control
It’s really not always about resources and in this case, there’s a few death cults involved.
It is always about resources, just the excuse differ sometimes it’s religion, sometimes it’s claim about fighting savagery etc
Palestinian was the local population it’s their land, has nothing to do with religion
Clearly he does Nazi the problem
Huh. “Future generations” was not something I would have guessed the IDF is factoring into their plan. In fact their plan seems laser focused on preventing them from existing.
Someone needs to set off a nuke in Tel Aviv. It will serve as a reminder to future generations of Israelis to not run a fucking Apartheid state.
This is literally why the religious right in the US is so ecstatic about the whole thing- they’re setting the whole world up to want to root for the outcome that they’re striving for- the end of days as prophesied. It’s working flawlessly.
They’ll end the days and then what? No sky daddy is coming for them, they’ll just die and fertilize the ground
and the planet will burn for millions of years as all humanities follies are purged with the cleansing fires of our climate apocalypse.
Then hopefully, one day billenia from now, a new ecosystem will evolve and species better than us will live peacefully together.
Sounds like they took an antisemitic statement from any time in the past thousand or so years and just changed the names.
This guy read mein kampf and think “man, hitler is such a swell guy!” and improve on the Nazi tactic.
Yes, the message being “kill all the Israelis”.
Future generations will use this as justification for why israeli descendants don’t deserve israel.
Most countries have already scrapped birthright (getting a passport for being born on soil despite parents being illegal). There is no reason colonists of Palestine should be treated different.
The absence of birthright citizenship always creates an underclass. It’s a bad idea.
Most colonial projects tend to collapse eventually. The few exceptions are where the colonist population far exceeds that of the indigenous people.In the long term, Israel will go the way of the crusader kingdoms, the Moorish occupation of Spain and the South African apartheid regime. Without decisive hegemonic backing, they’re not viable. And the attention of hegemons always eventually wavers.
For example, if we kill off the demand for fossil fuels and the need for a nest of spies and occupiers in the Middle East will dry up.
Cause that plan has worked to well in the past.
Wow. Is genocide fine if it doesn’t include literal gas chambers? I got the bright idea to compare these genocidal maniacs to Nazis and my first instinct after that forbidden thought was to think that it might be too much to compare them to Nazi Germany. But you know what? It fucking isn’t!
They still murder people directly. Those hospitals, Al Jazeera buildings, aid trucks or whatever else less newsworthy for the few who dare to be “antisemitic” and report on it didn’t bomb themselves.
If I had to choose, I’d rather get gassed than starved to death. Whine not exactly painless, it’s not even nearly as painful.
Not saying it is the same. Just that you can’t qualified immunity your way through genocide.
- Wait, but the BIG BAD GENOCIDE had GAS CHAMBERS! We don’t do that here!* - Oh, then all is forgiven 😇
- The BIG BAD also had CONCENTRATION CAMPS. Where are ours?*
- isn’t the entire Strip basically a huge one? 🤔*
- The BIG BAD also had FORCED LABOR and SS GUARDS*
- Not for the kids. They got gassed on arrival in the later stages. Or those “incapable of work”. Isn’t everyone in Gaza incapable of work by now, what with everyone starving to death 🧐*
Again, not trying to downplay the Holocaust. However, there is one crucial differemce which makes the current genocide infinitely more actionable: it’s happening now. The Holocaust ended about 80 years ago. The current one still fucking didn’t.
And again, there’s no qualified immunity for genocide.
They are recreating the ghettos of Poland during the Nazi occupation, like the Warsaw ghetto.
"Enjoy".
israel is buying itself another century of conflict. that’s the message to future generations: you’re gonna have to keep fighting this stupid conflict for ages
The Israelis are building long term insecurities for their nation state. Imagine a world in the which the USA isn’t the global hegemonic power. Imagine American for one reason or another decide they can no longer support Israel?
Building peaceful relations with diverse neighbors is the foundation for long term security. Genocidal mania in an attempt to broaden the borders, is the breeding ground for future terror.
Israel is laying the groundwork, the building blocks, for long term insecurity. Not security.
If one thinks extremism equates to well adjusted humans, economically thriving and flourishing societies I’ve got another populist candidate to sell you.
Israel needs that insecurity. They need enemies to unite against so that the country doesn’t fracture along the liberal/orthodox divide.
Any short term “forced” cohesion they build internally is now actually sowing the seeds of deeper long term fractures.
Sure, but as if the politicians in charge could think that far ahead :D
Fascists always need external enemies in order to suppress legitimate dissent.
Fucking Nazi.
See you at the Hague, sucker.
Wow, they already need a message before they’re even born. It’s definitely not racist. /s