On average, 420 children are killed or injured in Gaza every day. (www.who.int)
from Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to world@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 08:53
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/8025521

As of 3 November, according to Ministry of Health data, 2326 women and 3760 children have been killed in the Gaza strip, representing 67% of all casualties, while thousands more have been injured. This means that 420 children are killed or injured every day, some of them only a few months old.

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riceandbeans161@discuss.tchncs.de on 09 Nov 2023 09:14 next collapse

and some people still claim it’s not a genocide

catagris@kbin.social on 09 Nov 2023 10:08 next collapse

A Terrible thing.. It sayings "Ministry of Health data" which Ministry of Health?

Pancito@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 10:43 next collapse

It’s run by hamas. Doesn’t mean there aren’t a lot of people dying for real. But the numbers are right out of the mouth of a terrorist group.

merthyr1831@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 10:49 next collapse

It’s interesting that you’ll take Israel’s word despite proof of regularly fabricating lies. But the health ministry under bombardment that is verified by the UN and multiple humanitarian NGOs is “the mouth of a terrorist group”.

Perhaps you’d do well to consider whether your cowardly attitude to human suffering is making you an insufferable person.

avater@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 14:38 collapse

I wouldn’t take Israel’s word for granted either…

be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social on 09 Nov 2023 12:41 next collapse

One snippet out of a lengthy article.

Many experts consider figures provided by the ministry reliable, given its access, sources and accuracy in past statements.

“Everyone uses the figures from the Gaza Health Ministry because those are generally proven to be reliable,” said Omar Shakir, Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch. “In the times in which we have done our own verification of numbers for particular strikes, I’m not aware of any time which there’s been some major discrepancy.”

Shakir said Human Rights Watch would not use figures provided by parties with “a propensity to misrepresent information.”

Why news outlets and the U.N. rely on Gaza’s Health Ministry for death tolls

And another:

Throughout four wars and numerous bloody skirmishes between Israel and Hamas, U.N. agencies have cited the Health Ministry’s death tolls in regular reports. The International Committee of the Red Cross and Palestinian Red Crescent also use the numbers.

In the aftermath of war, the U.N. humanitarian office has published final death tolls based on its own research into medical records.

In all cases the U.N.’s counts have largely been consistent with the Gaza Health Ministry’s, with small discrepancies.

— 2008 war: The ministry reported 1,440 Palestinians killed; the U.N. reported 1,385.

— 2014 war: The ministry reported 2,310 Palestinians killed; the U.N. reported 2,251.

— 2021 war: The ministry reported 260 Palestinians killed; the U.N. reported 256.

What is Gaza’s Ministry of Health and how does it calculate the war’s death toll?

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 16:33 next collapse

Perhaps not surprisingly, it is also this number - six million - that Holocaust deniers aim at when trying to discredit the essential nature of the Holocaust. Source

NewAgeOldPerson@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 22:31 next collapse

I am so very tempted to wish you ill. So so very. But I’ll use my rage to donate instead. I hope you meet your fate though. Sooner than later.

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StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world on 10 Nov 2023 09:31 collapse

I’m really glad that, for the most part, people around here are educated enough to see the complete lack of value of comments like these.

merthyr1831@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 10:47 next collapse

The Gaza ministry of health has met the highest standards of NGO and UN scrutiny. They even published proof of every single confirmed dead civilian a week ago when the death toll was at 8,000. There were 12 pages of names before the age of 1.

NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social on 09 Nov 2023 14:27 collapse

Usually the Gazan ministry of health, which is run by Hamas because they're the local government in Gaza. But, their numbers are highly accurate, as said by UNICEF.

avater@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 13:42 next collapse

why are these articles alway forget to mention that the gazah ministry of health is operated by the hamas…

I’m not saying that all these numbers are from a fairytale but I also would not take them for granted…

Lemmyboi@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 09 Nov 2023 14:04 next collapse

Because it isn’t operated by hamas

avater@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 14:26 collapse

you sure about that?

The Gaza Health Ministry is a Hamas-run government agency in the Gaza Strip of the Palestinian territories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Health_Ministry

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 16:29 next collapse

So 0 children have died in Gaza? Got it! Is that what you’re saying? Because that’s the implication of “Don’t trust the Numbers…”

Lemmyboi@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Nov 2023 07:57 collapse

Did you check the sources? For fuck sake just do some critical thinking before replying

avater@lemmy.world on 10 Nov 2023 08:44 collapse

🥲

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avater@lemmy.world on 10 Nov 2023 09:36 next collapse

Yeah, keep on insulting me, I’m done 🤷‍♂️

jordanlund@lemmy.world on 10 Nov 2023 09:58 collapse

Removed. Keep it civil. You can disagree without ad hominem attacks.

NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social on 09 Nov 2023 14:21 next collapse

Because their numbers are accurate. This article came out recently:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/07/world/gaza-death-toll-accuracy-unicef-intl-hnk/index.html

We can probably take UNICEF's word for it.

avater@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 14:30 collapse

At least they make them more plausible, thx for sharing!

Sooperstition@lemmy.one on 09 Nov 2023 14:30 next collapse

Because they’re not sleepwalking into genocide denial like you and Joe Biden

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ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 15:07 next collapse

Their top line numbers tend to be accurate. If you look at the 2014 Gaza War data, the Gaza health ministry said 2,310 killed (70% civilians), the UN said 2,251 (65% civilians) and Israel said 2,125 killed (36% civilian, 20% uncategorized males between 16 and 50, and 44% combatants).

Obviously, everyone labels “civilians” and “combatants” in their own way and for their own purposes. But the health ministry hasn’t historically just pulled numbers out of their ass.

howsetheraven@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 15:53 next collapse

What number of children deaths is acceptable for you?

“I’m not saying that all these numbers are from a fairytale”

If that’s true, then what’s your number? How many children are you okay with dying?

avater@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 19:53 collapse

🙄

Linkerbaan@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 16:59 next collapse

Hamas doesn’t lie about everything like israel does.

StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world on 10 Nov 2023 09:38 collapse

I don’t particularly like Hamas, in fact I strongly dislike them, but you’re right. They simply have no need to lie about everything as the Israelis have a knack for actually doing the terrible things they’d otherwise have to fabricate.

Would they lie if the Israelis weren’t a bunch of genocidal shit heels? Probably not, because Hamas wouldn’t exist if not for the actions of the Israelis.

sirboozebum@lemmy.world on 10 Nov 2023 08:49 collapse

It’s amusing because Holocaust deniers use that exact same argument.

avater@lemmy.world on 10 Nov 2023 08:55 collapse

which one? That we maybe should look into multiple independent sources, instead only in one provided by the Hamas, which I also did not call false? And to answer to your shitty accusation. there are multiple sources for the Holocaust so it’s pretty easy to verify that it has happend and was an atrocity.

son_named_bort@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 14:35 next collapse

I don’t think that’s what people mean when they say blaze it.

havokdj@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 14:35 next collapse

I was about to make a meme until I read it further.

That sucks man, I don’t have anything else to say.

escaped_cruzader@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 16:59 next collapse

Taking abortion to the next level

Woht24@lemmy.world on 10 Nov 2023 01:26 next collapse

420 blaze it

boatsnhos931@lemmy.world on 10 Nov 2023 09:36 collapse

Finally a solution for global warming

groupofcrows@lemmy.ca on 09 Nov 2023 17:04 next collapse

Children are the future, thats why we have to kill as many as we can.

Netanyahu, probably

febra@lemmy.world on 10 Nov 2023 06:46 next collapse

Doesn’t matter. The western world will keep relativising the deaths of these children. They will keep looking for excuses as to why it’s okay to murder this kids. It’s a “necessary evil”. If you’re from a non western country, maybe you should try and think about how this could be you. And one half of the world would simply excuse the murder of your family.

sirboozebum@lemmy.world on 10 Nov 2023 08:53 collapse

The United States is the biggest diplomatic loser in this war.

Gave Israel eveything it wanted but Israel ignores all it’s behind the scenes requests for a ceasefire.

It’s reputation in the Middle East is so trashed that close Arab allies can’t even be seen in public with their envoys.

Western diplomats have said that they have lost the global south. No one believes their claims about human rights and a rules based international order.

A complete destruction of United States influence in the middle east and heavy damage in developing countries.

filister@lemmy.world on 11 Nov 2023 04:21 next collapse

Vs. 31 on the other side, once. And yet some political echelon there still thinks this fact gives them the moral high ground.

whoisearth@lemmy.ca on 11 Nov 2023 05:04 next collapse

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231107-gaza-coins-a-new-acronym-wcnsf-wounded-child-no-surviving-family/

Seriously. The Israeli military is murdering so many civilians the medical community has to invent a new acronym

WOUNDED CHILD NO SURVIVING FAMILY.

Netanyahu is not making Israel safer. He’s damaging it for decades to come.

IverCoder@lemm.ee on 11 Nov 2023 05:13 collapse

This is not nice.