Could the United States lose the war in Iran? Why one professor thinks it will happen
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from IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 05 Mar 10:58
https://lemmy.world/post/43876153
from IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 05 Mar 10:58
https://lemmy.world/post/43876153
Considering his first two predictions, this prediction is more than a little concerning.
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Besides the nature of asymmetrical warfare, let’s not forget also that Iran is fighting for survival, whilst America and Israel are fighting for profit (and many soldiers, for the joy of murder and rape, I guess).
Hard to assess success when there are no objectives and no plan.
Hard to prove failure too.
The objective is regime change.
The plan? I think they were expecting to achieve their objective very quickly, so it is already off script.
In most war, both sides end-up loosing. US couldn’t win neither in Iraq nor in Afghanistan. Unless they decide to win whatever it takes, and change their brute force strategy, they may also loose that one
This will almost certainly be a big “L” for the environment, which means that we all lose.
I mean war is terrible for carbon but also increased price of oil and gas can make renewable more economically favorable. Republicans and conservatives continue trying to force oil and gas so we’ll see what happens.
Could the US lose in Vietnam? Of course not, they just got bored and left
US warfare relies on strength and thinking modern weaponry is all that matters. There’s a lot more to warfare than that. Also they always attack others in their land who have existential reasons to fight to the last. The US, not so much. It makes a huge difference. They also don’t seem to understand that others have different views to them and belittle their enemies which is never wise. And let us not forget, the US hasn’t won a war since WW2 (Pacific theatre only - the European theatre was mostly won due to Russia and its method of providing cannon fodder).
And they won’t win in Iran. Not overall. Nobody wins in Iran. Even empires who have conquered the place eventually become Irani. It’s one of the Old Empires. A classic. It never dies completely.
In another post it was helpfully pointed out that the professor in question also believes in the illuminati and other secret cabals controlling society. Take that as you will.
Well, there was/is a now known secret cabal of child sex trafficking by the worlds richest people and various heads of state.
Does that count?
Well the guy in the video named the Jesuits and free masons so …no?
Thank you for pointing this out!
Also, ugh…
Maybe the Illuminati gave him the information!
Yeah, these “we interviewed the 1 out 10 doctors who think cavities are swell” articles are ridiculous.
“Secret” societies do exist though, even if the labels might be incorrect or sound wacky. 🤷
So, enlightened awareness.
We’ve got various opposing sides of governments at various levels all working together not just in one country but around the world protecting a laundry list of child traffickers and pedophiles, hiding and minimizing their crimes and refusing to investigate, and it’s still “crazy” to imagine that there’s any grain of truth to the idea of “illuminati” or the idea that there could be some secret cabals within our governments who work together across party lines or that those people might in fact be pretty powerful and have powerful friends? The reason it’s been labeled a conspiracy theory is so you assume it must be crazy so you reject it and refuse to believe it even when you can see it actually happening in plain sight.
Definitely don’t believe your lying eyes or the lying documents that are still in the process of being buried and that they’re trying to distract you from, believe what you’ve been told. The most sensible and believable conclusion must be the correct one because everyone in this world is always sensible and believable, and sensible, believable people don’t fuck children. Just ask them! They’ll tell you they don’t. Of course we should believe them, they’re sensible, believable people.
Regardless of, there are a number of precedents like Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan…
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Problem: You can’t lose a war you have no definition for winning.
So in the end, the US literally can’t win or lose the war, all they can do is simply choose to end it.
What is the end goal? What does winning the war look like? 🤷 Yeah, me either. But if you don’t define it, you can’t lose it either.
The goal was to distract from the Epstein files and to cede to the Israeli’s demands so they don’t release the dirt. It’s already won.
Since they can’t even define what “winning” it would look like, it would definitely be hard to claim they didn’t.
Or maybe very easy. There’s no way to know.
Win? Lose? Either way, the U.S. has a strong pullout game.
Well, they lost to Vietnam and Afghanistan. Greater military might doesn’t guarantee success.
Paywall
It seems likely that this will be a Pyrrhic victory for the US.
I love how there’s a ton of comments and upvotes here, yet OP’s article is paywalled behind a subscription. Did anyone here actually read it?
It reminds me of a post I just saw elsewhere, with total nonsense in the link. Since it was already upvoted, the moderater left it up as an experiment: it got a boatload of upvotes and comments. No one cared, even with someone pointing this out in a comment. It was just a bunch of the same comments affirming what they already believed.
…That about sums up the internet for me now. People don’t actually care where information came from; they just want to drive by, then keep scrolling :(
No.
They are just a bunch of anti-USA types who just think this conflict is evidence of the collapse of America, or something. And they are eager cheering on the supposed downfall, and begging for any narrative or infopoint that makes america look bad.
Bombing alone has never worked as a means of forcing regime change. So Trump will either have to succeed at this for the first time in history, back down (seems unlikely at this point) or put boots on the ground (for which he has not manufactured consent).I guess he could also just die on the shitter and make it the next guys problem. There are many avenues for the US to lose here.
The article was perfectly readable to me but sure cope harder.
He already backed down. Regime change isn’t the goal. It’s destroy the Iranian military. Which they will accomplish easily.
Or I am someone who lost his enlisted best friend to the Iraq war.
But yeah, you totally know me and my motivations.
You worthless fucktard.
I was able to view the article without a paywall.
I skipped the paywall by opening the page in my browser’s article mode. Strips out most CSS and JS popups.
I have a hard time believing every claim in this piece, since the prof makes a claim that the US economy is a ponzi scheme. I think that words matter, and “ponzi scheme” is a very specific thing, which I do no believe accurately describes banking or wall street. I notice that grifters and crypto-bros are quick to describe the traditional economy as a ponzi in order to make their own scam look better in comparison. Example.
That’s not to say that the capitalist economic system is fair, good for the world, or sustainable. Whether this is a mistake or an intentional mischaracterization, it makes me question the conclusions drawn.
“I skipped the paywall by opening the page in my browser’s article mode. Strips out most CSS and JS popups.”
Thank you, I guess I shouldn’t assume people have their web browsers configured to get past that. :/
We just comment based on the title.
Could they lose? Name one war in the past 70 yesrs they didn’t lose?
If you begin a task with no clear goal you cannot succeed, nor can you fail. The best you can hope for is to learn something from the process. This will be a costly lesson.
That sounds like something Yoda would say.
They have no idea how to win it.