from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 15 May 2024 02:46
https://lemmy.world/post/15416108
Chinese police hunting international corruption targets were allowed into Australia by the federal police and subsequently escorted a woman back to China for trial, in a major breach of Chinese-Australian police protocols.
The revelations, contained in Monday night’s Four Corners program about a former Chinese spy, prompted a sharp rebuke from federal politicians who are concerned the act may have undermined Australia’s national security.
The Chinese police were permitted to enter Australia in 2019 to talk with a 59-year-old Chinese-born Australian resident.
The woman was targeted under a Chinese Communist Party (CCP) anti-corruption drive called Operation Fox Hunt, which relies on police from the Ministry of Public Security (MPS) to make arrests.
Her case is one of 283 cases documented by an international NGO, Safeguard Defenders, in its recent report, Chasing Fox Hunt.
While Fox Hunt is described by the CCP as targeting “economic criminals”, human rights groups have said it is also used to silence dissidents and abduct people around the world.
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Ok so now we will not allow Chinese police into Australia right?
insert Anakin and Padme meme
News flash they do this shit everywhere.
Because the world runs on money.
China has lots of moneys.
Say what you will about conspiracy nuts, but the idea of a world government is very very real and has been for a long time. It’s always been about the money.
Edit: Yall can downvote brigade me until the cows come home and you’re blue in the face (not to mention multi-account abuse for downvoting being arguably worse on a fedinet instance) - the fact is, the chinese have mini-govt buildings setup all around the world. This case isn’t the first, nor will it be the last. Mald harder.
Woa, buddy.
Among the myriad ways to tell that there is no world government… if there was a single world government, money would be irrelevant to situations like this - there would be no issue to smooth over because no-one’s sovereignty would have been violated.
Explain why you think my theory of the world running on money is far from the truth.
It’s far from the truth to assume there’s one cohesive government entity that collaborates and communicates well enough to do something like this, and to assume not a single person associated has decided to be a whistle blower.
Edit: a word
Not the same commenter but still, nevertheless, interested in the convo ofc
It may not be an explicit government, but that’s why I specifically said in my retort “the world runs on money”.
Are you speaking about yourself? Because you absolutely are the same commenter.
They forgot to switch to their alt lmao
They are talking about you. Their first reply was to someone else but the second was for you.
That was a very unconventional way of phrasing that.
And yet extremely easy to understand especially when you’re the one who butted in randomly
Is joining a comment section considered butting in randomly? What is the point of Lemmy if joining a comment thread is viewed negatively?
Doing this is only negative if you’re a jerk about it, which they were
In what way were they being a jerk about it? I read his initial comment as being pretty neutral.
It’s not really worth it for me to go back and scour the thread but they definitely came off to me as trolling by repeatedly stating “you’re the same commenter tho!” Even though that made no sense in context
It made complete sense, since I also understood the other guy’s comment as saying he is not the same commenter due to his phrasing. And the NurseRobot guy only said it twice, the 2nd time due to the other guy refusing to elaborate his confusing phrasing and accusing others of using alts for some reason. Can you explain how repeating a statement one time due to confusion counts as trolling?
this is pointless
And yet, it’s somehow not pointless for you to accuse someone else of trolling and being a jerk without being able to point out any specific event that actually happened?
This is a stupid and pointless conversation that wouldn’t possibly have any value whatsoever. Bye.
Then why even engage in the first place?
Sure if I judge someone I should totally prepared to argue for 45 minutes with some idiot about that judgment/s
First time on the Internet, then?
First time being told petty bullshit isn’t worth it, then?
First time spouting bullshit then calling the conversation you started worthless, then? Edit: spelling
Cry about it
Why would I? I’m not the one continuously engaging in a conversation I declared worthless a few replies ago. Why don’t you man up and stop trying to get the last word in and just disengage.
Nah. I’m just surprised that you’re still engaging. It’s not good for your health, dude. When I find myself arguing with idiots, I put down my phone and go do something else. I find it’s much better.
Lmao
… so either you’re on alts or have such a lack of self awareness that you don’t even recognize what you did.
Either way I think we’re done here lol
Again, are you speaking about yourself? You’re the original commenter, not me.
the level of reading comprehension, the number of assumptions kids make these days - its fucking horrifying, innit
Not at all, some concepts are harder for some. Some grow up in environments that make learning ugly, alienating, etc. I do want to ask - would you catch flies better with vinegar or with honey? Or are you more interested in squashing?
Yes, it’s called Star Trek and many of us want a future like that.
Now that I can get behind
Not as many know it was only achieved through nuclear holocaust.
why is everyone so retarded about this? there are ACTUAL ATTEMPTS AT WORLD GOVERNMENT - the UN for example - and there are actual think tanks publishing actual documents with this as the goal, publicly available, which are funded by government, yet people just start screeching whenever it gets brought up. You guys do realize it’s possible to actually know stuff, right? fuck.
China being China, this shit has been going on for decades
Can’t speak for Australians, but as a Canadian who expects that the same could happen here - why the fuck are our governments so apathetic about this shit?.
Stand up for the people trusting you. Be MAD. Stop doing it if you’re also doing it.
Even the article is apathetic… they write “escorted” her back to China, when it’d actually be “kidnapped” or “abducted”…?
I cannot not read this in Cave Johnson’s voice.
I didn’t read it that way the first time, but yep. J. K. Simmons energy all over that comment.
In the UK there was a peaceful protester and the Chinese dragged him into the embassy grounds and beat him in front of the public. They have diplomatic immunity.
Nothing was done obviously.
No wonder China and Russia shit over us and act like we are weak. We are. We proved it multiple times.
Fuck the West is shadow of what it once was.
Yeah, it’s not like western governments, “intelligence” agencies or police would ever beat protesters, persecute political dissidents, murder civilians, torture suspects in designated black sites, ally with dictatorships who torture and murder journalists with bone saws, overthrow democratically elected governments, or engage in any behavior that is horrifically anti-democratic or anti-human rights.
That time when the west was historically great was a lie. We were only better than fascism or communism, but our ruling class, the politicians they own, and their corporations have always engaged in horrific shit. Ours just hide behind the media and a liability shield of a dozen LLC’s, or do it hidden behind closed doors — unless you’re a palestinian, protester, communist, or a dozen other groups who are okay to oppress publicly at any given time.
Yeah and everyone knows: Whataboutisms are a really great way to argue your point!
It would be Whataboutism if I defended the accusations against China or Russia. I explicitly said we were better — just only better than the bottom of the barrel — and the whole point of my comment was to refute the right-wing nationalist fantasy that we were historically “strong”, “great” or “righteous”; a time that never existed in reality.
I suggest you learn what maketh a logical fallacy.
I think this is what molotov cocktails were made for.
Might want to look up the etymology. Molotovs tended to be aimed at Western partisans.
The name originally comes from Finland and the Winter War, where they were used against soviet tanks.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail
You are confusing the Hungarian Revolt in '56 with the Winter War in '39.
Why don’t you quote that whole paragraph:
I gave you the link, my guy. I assumed you knew how to click it.
You were wrong and doubled-down. You should read the things you link my guy.
My guy, its right there in black and white.
Uh… any link on that? I’m not finding this reference anywhere.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-63972640
The article isn’t clear as to what precipitated the brawl
en.wikipedia.org/…/Clash_at_the_Consulate_General…
The individual was part of a crowd attempting to harass individuals within the embassy, not someone police snatched off the street at random.
Bob appears to have tried to drag off a member of the consult in the act of tearing down signs, only to be pulled inside himself in a tug of war with the consulate staff.
Nothing about this looks peaceful.
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Devil’s Advocacy:
The why is really really simple. The actions taken in result have the potential to cause more harm than help. Tariffs don’t work, censureship is useless, and war is… yeah. They can get up on stage and shout about how angry they are but it means fuck all. The important part is how WE deal with it. Legislature starts from the grass roots level, political activism and engagement can help make new laws that expressly do not allow extradition by the CCP and other adversarial nations, or in any way allow an arm of the CCP to search for or request information on any individuals.
I think this is what the surprised Pikachu meme was created for.
I can’t see how anyone involved with allowing this isn’t complicit.
What possible reason did the police of a foreign nation need to be physically there for, other than physically removing someone?
It looks like it’s been catch-and-release once the Chinese embezzler returns enough stolen money.
As criminal prosection goes, that’s incredibly cushy. Far nicer than what a drug importer would expect.
And it appears to be reciprocal, as Australians are known to flee to China to evade arrest as well.
But isn’t punishment for embezzlement in China death? Ohh I just did a cursory search and it’s only for serious cases.
theguardian.com/…/china-sentences-top-banker-to-d…
A high ranking state official who extorted over a quarter billion dollars got the death penalty.
They do it because they can and there are no consequences, it’s not the wolf’s fault for eating the sheep, its the shepherd who left the door open.
Nah it’s still the wolf’s fault, even when the shepherd is terrible. Take the wolf out of the equation, and the sheep live regardless of the shepherd’s capabilities.
Deer populations have doubled
Rabbit populations have octupled
Local flora has decreased
Desertification has increased
Fun hyperbole, but this all assumes wolves are the only predators.
And your metaphor was a fun oversimplification.
“Escort back to China” sure is a weird way of saying they kidnapped her.
Traditionally, countries will have extradition agreements that facilitate arrest of criminals in flight.
Thanks to break down in relations between China and Western states, it has become increasingly common for Chinese embezzlers and con-artists to flee abroad with cash assets in hopes of evading arrest.
Of course, this works both ways with Australian felony suspects hiding in China to the same effect.
So this becomes an end run for both countries to seek “voluntary” extradition, primarily by threatening potential accomplices and family property in the original country.
And it exists for good reason. You generally don’t want your country to become a haven for fraudsters because they’ll keep committing fraud in their new country.
Fraud in China has far worse consequences than fraud in Australia. Even if I were to be arrested, I’d prefer it to happen in Australia where I can get off with a slap on the wrist.
nit.com.au/…/roebourne-regional-prison-cells-stil…
Enjoy yourself, I guess.
How much you want to bet that jail has even a single white collar criminal in it exposed to 43 C heat?
Fraudsters aren’t being shipped to a regional prison in one of the most remote areas of the country lol
True. White collar crimes getting the white glove treatment isn’t unusual in the West, no matter how many lives are ruined.
I’ll take 43C/109F to a forced labor internment camp but you do you.
I would pass on it.
Forced labor in 49C it is then.
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Sounds awful. Enjoy your Australian prison.
And you enjoy your Chinese internment camp, maybe your organs will fetch a nice price for the apparatchik.
Or maybe westerners will look and point drunkenly at your plasticized, dissected body for entertainment.
The Chinese of Atlanta Georgia?
The one I saw was in Las Vegas but every single body was Chinese.
The reality is I’d rather sit in a Aussie prison in 46/115 heat than in a Chinese prison at a nice balmy 25/77.
Do you think the Chinese prison system is a better place than the Australian prison system?
I’m sorry if Chinese people make you feel so uncomfortable that you’d rather broil than be near them
I have no issue with Asian people. It’s the prison system that’s the issue, but you know that and just want to cry racist because claiming the Chinese prison system is preferable is laughable at best, nice try tankie.
The Chinese prison system. Whereas the Australian prison system that kills people with heat stroke isn’t a problem, because…
Of course. Its doing all the progressive-y policies that big liberal states like California rolled back under the Reagan Era. Rehabilitation, job training, quality health care, and public reintegration are all policies the US system dismantled a generation ago, because it was seen as “Hugs for Thugs” and “Soft on Crime”.
You’re going to believe whatever you do tankie, the rest of us know reality.
It helps to base beliefs on sound data and observational evidence.
Shouting “tankie” at your computer monitor is not a sign of strong reality-based reasoning.
I’m the only one that’s posted any links to any data or “observational evidence” (tips fedora lol neckbeard). All you’ve done is vaguely hint at Chinese prisons being preferable to Aussie ones.
I’ve never really gotten to see one of you in the wild.
Ah, so you’re delusional. Cool.
Fascinating.
Ever visted?
They’re not saying they want to go to prison in Australia. They’re saying it would obviously be better than going to prison in freaking China.
I feel like you’re a Chinese prison salesman or something.
No, they’re just hanging their hat on “China Always Worse”.
That’s a sane and logical conclusion
Compared to Australia? Yes, going to prison in China would be worse.
Thanks. That’s what I needed to know.
I am not supplies
Surprised
You callin’ him a liar? >_>
There must have been some kind of cooperation, Australia has custom offices and border controls at airports and harbours. They won’t let her out without looking at her passport, etc.
Read the news better…
Maybe they shoved her in a diplomatic pouch.
Sounds to me like China is asking for a bomb. Australia should give them one. You don’t come steal my cat after asking for pets unless you want me to show up at your door and shoot you in the face.
!iAmVeryBadass
Would you do less for your cat?
Kinda glad where I live there’s absolutely no way our government would allow CCP police to reach me. (unless the CCP police goes undercover and kidnaps me)
Sure about it?
If they talk about the USA - then yes. Not because the government loves its citizens and respects their rights - simply because it hates China.
Depends, are we talking about Chinese nationals or immigrants? They a naturalized citizen? I remember some reports about Chinese people being harassed by Chinese police here in the U.S. just last year.
Still If there’s someone they need in china they would probably trade you over
USA doesn’t pay enough attention. A few CCP spies with a van and a blackjack could grab someone in USA 100% and you’re deluded if you think otherwise.
Pretty sure there’s no way my government would allow it. Sure, secretly kidnapping me might not be too difficult, but my government would never officially give permission to the CCP police to have a talk with me (as the Australian govt. did in this article). I live in Taiwan btw.
Chinese Communist Party’s…anti-corruption drive. Next up, we’ve got prostitutes fucking for virginity. 🤪
Why the heck would Australia even allow Chinese police on their soil? Isn’t this usually done by requesting extradition? Makes no sense.
4 years without a headline. The AFP didn’t even consider this objectionable. The AFP are scum.