Honestly the Israelis actually seem crazy enough to keep escalating even in that case
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 12:58
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I strongly doubt that. The thought of a nuke being deployed on Jerusalem would give even the craziest Israeli pause.
WhyIAughta@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 13:00
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They don’t give a fuck about the people or the land it’s the control they want.
They even have a protocol of they were to lose control of the area and are about to lose Israel called the Samson option, where they just nuke themselves, level the whole area and make it uninhabitable.
rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
on 16 Jun 16:13
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They been comiting war crimes for 77 years with little accountability. Making them crazier
Would be great if more extremist radical goverments had nukes.
What the f dude, fuck no, if anything nobody should have any nukes, send these lunatics to a desert with only their fists and let them set their differences there.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 13:24
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if anything nobody should have any nukes
Agreed, but that’s not the world we live in. And it is the extremist governments that have nukes. That’s partly how the US gets away with making war in seven countries at once. (That we know of.)
I mean the US is not perfect, they also have a clown as a president that does so much harm.
However crazy that may be, Irans regime still has the complete obliteration of a country as their agende and goal. Surely these people should.never have nukes.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 13:54
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Country? Or Western colonial regime that has been murdering and displacing the locals indiscriminately for decades? You’re not getting me with semantics, friend.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 14:10
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It’s always interesting to me when people unironically downplay the destruction the US government causes and has caused on a planetary, not even local scale.
Nobody is downplaying it, US has shittons of dirt on their hands and they should.be judged for that. Be that for their war crimes in Iraq or their dirty CIA tactics to de-stabilize foreign governments.
And right now Iran is developing nukes, a country thats agenda is to destroy a different state and murdering journalist and punishing women for being born the wrong gender
The US has nothing to do with these news, you can freely critizise the US in a newspost about them and rightfully so but this is about Iran and their plan to develop nukes to destroy Isreal.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 14:38
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The US has nothing to do with these news
That’s just not true. It’s our weapons being shot into Gaza, Lebanon, and Iran. We have everything to do with this because it’s impossible for these escalations to occur without US weapons shipments.
So maybe if Iran didnt try to develop a-bombs then Israel would have no reason to attack.
But this guy figured it out, nukes for everyone is the solution.
Also teachers should have access to nukes so they can deter potential school shooters. And i need some nukes as well to defend my home /s
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 15:48
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Also teachers should have access to nukes so they can deter potential school shooters. And i need some nukes as well to defend my home /s
Logical fallacies don’t lend credence to your argument. (Or your intellect.)
So maybe if Iran didnt try to develop a-bombs then Israel would have no reason to attack.
You’re ignoring the most important detail. They did so while cooperating within the international community. That is, until the US decided to support, supply, and fund a war against them, thus making the development of nukes essential to their survival. (After ordering assassinations of their leaders and violating our own agreements with them.)
Oh did they cooperate? Why was there detection of weapon-able uranium then? Was that just an accident while trying to use nuclear power for good?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 16:03
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Oh did they cooperate?
Yes.
Why was there detection of weapon-able uranium then?
I think we’ve already discussed this on the thread: US / Israeli aggression, both diplomatic and non-diplomatic. You are aware that the US withdrew from the former nuclear agreement, right? Donald prioritizes looking like a tough guy over successful diplomatic relations, at least against countries that can’t fight back.
Was that just an accident while trying to use nuclear power for good?
Originally, yes. Now? They’re developing nukes by necessity, or are you not aware that Israel just attacked them?
So you think Iran developing an atomic bomb is a solution for what exactly?
Israel bombing them.
rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
on 16 Jun 16:12
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a country thats agenda is to destroy a different state
You are spreading propaganda for a state that is actually commiting a genocide and want to destroy palestine
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 17:57
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He’s shamelessly getting paid for it, I assume. 🤷
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 14:14
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Surely these people should.never have nukes.
The same people who waited until they were attacked before fighting back? The same so-called extremists who, for decades, have worked within the international community to develop their nuclear program? (Before Donald decided to fund and arm an Israeli war against them, and this was after ordering assassinations of their leaders in his last admin.)
I think that you’re listening to some very biased newscasts in constructing this opinion.
You don’t have to like their domestic policies, but they’ve been more than reasonable in their relationship to the international community. That can’t be said about any government in Western Europe or their rabid dog occupying Palestine.
The fact that Iran evidently worked together and upheld the JCPOA, when the West was serious about diplomacy. Then Trump came and everyone was like “okay screw diplomacy, lets just keep increasing pressure and hope the country collapses”- Then Israel came and was like “lets bomb the shit out of them to have the West love me again and stop caring about the genocide i am committing.” Then the West was like “hurr durr, Israel has the right to defend itself by attacking anyone and everyone whenever it pleases and why is Iran defending itself, how dare they?!”
When Israel assassinated politician in Iran last year. Iran only replied in a measured way to safe face, but seek deescalation. When Israel bombed Iran, Iran for the longest time did not retaliate and when it retaliated still only targeted spots with little risk of injuring or killing people, again being a “don’t tread on me” reaction, without seeking escalation. Now Israel is completely out of their mind and went on to announce and celebrate direct attacks on Civilians, effectively telling Iran, that they are out for annihilating the country.
rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
on 16 Jun 16:09
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Us is the biggest bully in at least the 50 last years bombing a dozen of countries, destroying many and organizing dozens of coups. But for yiu this is just a not perfect country and frame it as if trump is the only war criminal president
The article says that it’s most-likely just rhetoric from Iran.
Strait Of Hormuz: High Stakes, Low Odds
Hard-line media and several officials have again raised the possibility of closing the Strait of Hormuz – a move that would threaten nearly a fifth of the world’s oil supply. But Gregory Brew, a senior Iran and oil analyst at the New York-based Eurasia Group, says it’s a threat Tehran is unlikely to carry out.
“Closing the strait is Iran’s last big card to play,” Brew told RFE/RL. “It has the means of essentially blockading the waterway…by deploying short-range ballistic missiles, naval vessels, and mines.”
But attempting to blockade the strategic strait would have major ramifications, such as “immediately” triggering a response from the United States and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC).
“If war with Israel is proving very damaging, war with the US (and the GCC) would be much worse,” Brew said.
It is the dead-mans trigger. As Israel reaffirms it wants to force regime change and commit more atrocities against Iran’s civilians, that threat becomes more realistic.
The GCC countries are certainly not going to be able to shift any balances around. What are they going to do? A ground invasion of Iran? Best they can do is help Israel bomb Civilians. And we saw how Saudi and UAE bombing Civilians in Yemen non-stop did fuck all except kill a lot of people.
The response would have to come from the US and other NATO countries, pulling their focus from Ukraine and containing China. Then it will be bye bye Ukraine and bye bye Taiwan and Israel will get what it wants, being the center of Western attention for all eternity.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
on 16 Jun 13:03
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Again? Also Yemen carried out something resembling blockade without even having a navy, so I wouldn't bet on force working if they were to go through with this.
That’s a totally different situation from a totally different time. Just dropping a wikipedia link on a singular, mostly unrelated action isn’t a mic drop, especially when done multiple times.
That’s a totally different situation from a totally different time…a singular, mostly unrelated action
Both situations are about Iran closing the Straight of Hormuz and the US response to such. It’s hard to draw up a more similar event. Second up would be the ongoing operations against the Houthis who are attempting to close a different straight.
37 years is a LONG time when it comes to technology, especially military technology. Think about how much has changed in society since then. Hell, the vast majority of people in the military 37 years ago have long since gotten out. Just because “the us and Iran are doing a thing again” does not mean we’d even attempt the same thing. The geopolitical landscape that existed in 88 isn’t the same either. US is on the way down as chinas going up. And you more or less copypasta the same thing that every person whos ever been on reddit has seen. Come on, at least put a write up, or some opinion on it. Or just describe the thing that happened. So many of us know this copypasta, that if someone were to ask for a source, it should be an immediate ban. Stop the copypasta.
Yeah, in your head. Because it’s rather insulting to assume people don’t get the joke, when it’s been a joke for a VERY long time and you were probably delivered that same wikilink 40-50 times by now. Yes, helpfulness can be insulting, sorry if that was what you were going for.
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I hope they do manage to develop a nuke.
That’s the only thing that’s going to stop this war, the worry about mutually-assured destruction.
I bet we will not find out where or how many broken arrows will/occur/red in Iran.
Honestly the Israelis actually seem crazy enough to keep escalating even in that case
I strongly doubt that. The thought of a nuke being deployed on Jerusalem would give even the craziest Israeli pause.
They don’t give a fuck about the people or the land it’s the control they want. They even have a protocol of they were to lose control of the area and are about to lose Israel called the Samson option, where they just nuke themselves, level the whole area and make it uninhabitable.
They been comiting war crimes for 77 years with little accountability. Making them crazier
I mean Israel is legitimately the state most likely to use a nuclear weapon.
Would be great if more extremist radical goverments had nukes.
What the f dude, fuck no, if anything nobody should have any nukes, send these lunatics to a desert with only their fists and let them set their differences there.
Agreed, but that’s not the world we live in. And it is the extremist governments that have nukes. That’s partly how the US gets away with making war in seven countries at once. (That we know of.)
I mean the US is not perfect, they also have a clown as a president that does so much harm.
However crazy that may be, Irans regime still has the complete obliteration of a country as their agende and goal. Surely these people should.never have nukes.
Country? Or Western colonial regime that has been murdering and displacing the locals indiscriminately for decades? You’re not getting me with semantics, friend.
It’s always interesting to me when people unironically downplay the destruction the US government causes and has caused on a planetary, not even local scale.
Nobody is downplaying it, US has shittons of dirt on their hands and they should.be judged for that. Be that for their war crimes in Iraq or their dirty CIA tactics to de-stabilize foreign governments.
And right now Iran is developing nukes, a country thats agenda is to destroy a different state and murdering journalist and punishing women for being born the wrong gender
The US has nothing to do with these news, you can freely critizise the US in a newspost about them and rightfully so but this is about Iran and their plan to develop nukes to destroy Isreal.
That’s just not true. It’s our weapons being shot into Gaza, Lebanon, and Iran. We have everything to do with this because it’s impossible for these escalations to occur without US weapons shipments.
So you think Iran developing an atomic bomb is a solution for what exactly?
Israeli aggression, and I wish someone would slip one or two nukes to Palestine as well.
So maybe if Iran didnt try to develop a-bombs then Israel would have no reason to attack.
But this guy figured it out, nukes for everyone is the solution.
Also teachers should have access to nukes so they can deter potential school shooters. And i need some nukes as well to defend my home /s
Logical fallacies don’t lend credence to your argument. (Or your intellect.)
You’re ignoring the most important detail. They did so while cooperating within the international community. That is, until the US decided to support, supply, and fund a war against them, thus making the development of nukes essential to their survival. (After ordering assassinations of their leaders and violating our own agreements with them.)
Oh did they cooperate? Why was there detection of weapon-able uranium then? Was that just an accident while trying to use nuclear power for good?
Yes.
I think we’ve already discussed this on the thread: US / Israeli aggression, both diplomatic and non-diplomatic. You are aware that the US withdrew from the former nuclear agreement, right? Donald prioritizes looking like a tough guy over successful diplomatic relations, at least against countries that can’t fight back.
Originally, yes. Now? They’re developing nukes by necessity, or are you not aware that Israel just attacked them?
Israel bombing them.
You are spreading propaganda for a state that is actually commiting a genocide and want to destroy palestine
He’s shamelessly getting paid for it, I assume. 🤷
The same people who waited until they were attacked before fighting back? The same so-called extremists who, for decades, have worked within the international community to develop their nuclear program? (Before Donald decided to fund and arm an Israeli war against them, and this was after ordering assassinations of their leaders in his last admin.)
I think that you’re listening to some very biased newscasts in constructing this opinion.
Wait so the Iran government are the good guys just wanting peace? What am i getting wrong here?
Just about everything.
You don’t have to like their domestic policies, but they’ve been more than reasonable in their relationship to the international community. That can’t be said about any government in Western Europe or their rabid dog occupying Palestine.
More reasonable by keeping threatening to destroy all of israel? By installing a clock im their capital counting down the hours of total destruction?
i am not saying what israel is doing is good either.
You can find both things these guys are doing horrible
The fact that Iran evidently worked together and upheld the JCPOA, when the West was serious about diplomacy. Then Trump came and everyone was like “okay screw diplomacy, lets just keep increasing pressure and hope the country collapses”- Then Israel came and was like “lets bomb the shit out of them to have the West love me again and stop caring about the genocide i am committing.” Then the West was like “hurr durr, Israel has the right to defend itself by attacking anyone and everyone whenever it pleases and why is Iran defending itself, how dare they?!”
When Israel assassinated politician in Iran last year. Iran only replied in a measured way to safe face, but seek deescalation. When Israel bombed Iran, Iran for the longest time did not retaliate and when it retaliated still only targeted spots with little risk of injuring or killing people, again being a “don’t tread on me” reaction, without seeking escalation. Now Israel is completely out of their mind and went on to announce and celebrate direct attacks on Civilians, effectively telling Iran, that they are out for annihilating the country.
Us is the biggest bully in at least the 50 last years bombing a dozen of countries, destroying many and organizing dozens of coups. But for yiu this is just a not perfect country and frame it as if trump is the only war criminal president
Iran was attacked by Israel not the other way around. Go figure.
Do they want to lose half their navy in a day, again?
The article says that it’s most-likely just rhetoric from Iran.
It is the dead-mans trigger. As Israel reaffirms it wants to force regime change and commit more atrocities against Iran’s civilians, that threat becomes more realistic.
The GCC countries are certainly not going to be able to shift any balances around. What are they going to do? A ground invasion of Iran? Best they can do is help Israel bomb Civilians. And we saw how Saudi and UAE bombing Civilians in Yemen non-stop did fuck all except kill a lot of people.
The response would have to come from the US and other NATO countries, pulling their focus from Ukraine and containing China. Then it will be bye bye Ukraine and bye bye Taiwan and Israel will get what it wants, being the center of Western attention for all eternity.
Again? Also Yemen carried out something resembling blockade without even having a navy, so I wouldn't bet on force working if they were to go through with this.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis
That’s a totally different situation from a totally different time. Just dropping a wikipedia link on a singular, mostly unrelated action isn’t a mic drop, especially when done multiple times.
Both situations are about Iran closing the Straight of Hormuz and the US response to such. It’s hard to draw up a more similar event. Second up would be the ongoing operations against the Houthis who are attempting to close a different straight.
37 years is a LONG time when it comes to technology, especially military technology. Think about how much has changed in society since then. Hell, the vast majority of people in the military 37 years ago have long since gotten out. Just because “the us and Iran are doing a thing again” does not mean we’d even attempt the same thing. The geopolitical landscape that existed in 88 isn’t the same either. US is on the way down as chinas going up. And you more or less copypasta the same thing that every person whos ever been on reddit has seen. Come on, at least put a write up, or some opinion on it. Or just describe the thing that happened. So many of us know this copypasta, that if someone were to ask for a source, it should be an immediate ban. Stop the copypasta.
Providing someone with a link to a reference they didn’t get is a “mic drop” in your head? Ok buddy.
Yeah, in your head. Because it’s rather insulting to assume people don’t get the joke, when it’s been a joke for a VERY long time and you were probably delivered that same wikilink 40-50 times by now. Yes, helpfulness can be insulting, sorry if that was what you were going for.
When I replied to the comment with the link it just read:
The rest was edited after that.
For those who want to watch a great animated video on the event: Operation Praying Mantis
The language in this title is quite a piece of art eh?
“Iran threatens”
“War with Israel escalates”
Chef’s kiss.
“Iran launches Nuclear and explosive words” - headlines, 2025
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5f0f405b-5d72-4c8f-a4a8-f93f59f79b51.png">
I hope they do both.