Israel’s death penalty bill for Palestinian prisoners moves to final vote (www.theguardian.com)
from throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to world@lemmy.world on 25 Mar 14:18
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CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works on 25 Mar 14:42 next collapse

Members of Otzma Yehudit have worn noose-shaped pins in support of the bill.

Under the proposals, those sentenced to death would be held in a separate facility with no visits except from authorised personnel, with legal consultations conducted only by video link. Executions would be carried out within 90 days of sentencing.

The measure allows courts to impose the death penalty without a request from prosecutors, and without requiring unanimity, instead permitting a simple majority decision. Military courts in the occupied West Bank would also be empowered to hand down death sentences, with the defence minister able to submit an opinion.

For Palestinians under occupation, the bill would close off avenues for appeal or clemency, while prisoners tried inside Israel could see their sentences commuted to life imprisonment.

Jesus christ how long until they just fire up the gas chambers and skip this song and dance of a trial where the defendant gets no appeals, limited legal counsel, no unanimous decision, and no prosecutorial discretion? These politicians are absolutely disgusting.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 25 Mar 15:14 next collapse

Jesus christ how long until they just fire up the gas chambers and skip this song and dance of a trial

We past that point ages ago. This is a purely procedural motion to legitimize the de facto summary executions and extrajudicial murders already happening in the field.

IDF thugs have been bombing emergency vehicles, demolishing every source of potable water or edible food, and wounding children in order to lure adults out of hiding with their cries for help going back… straight to the Nakba of 1948 if we’re being honest. But it really took off in 2018, during the first peaceful March of Return. Then it accelerated enormously after Oct 7th.

Anyone Israelis have captured since then has been brutalized solely for military intelligence and propaganda. Executing them is a matter of course. There’s a case of a one-year-old being tortured in order to extract information from his father, for instance. Palestinians who leave Israeli custody have often been so maimed and abused that they die within a few days or weeks of release. This is deliberate. Their executions would have been a formality at best.

AlexLost@lemmy.world on 25 Mar 19:02 next collapse

They’ve been so upfront and honest with things so far, you know they won’t abuse this system in any way. I mean, only for actual terrorists, and not like 7 year olds… /S

Fredselfish@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 01:23 collapse

The Jews have become the Nazis. How the fuck do these people go from having this done to them, to doing it to others. Fuck them all. Also want a record of everyone wearing those pins, so when we bring back the Hague we can hang them.

stringere@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 03:25 next collapse

The Jews Israeli government have become the Nazis.

wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz on 26 Mar 20:02 collapse

They turned PEZ into a torment nexus…

daannii@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 15:41 collapse

You know a lot of Jews feel like Israel stole the Jewish identity and transformed it into something grotesque.

I saw this interesting interview with a Rabbi who explained how Israel Zionist stole it’s so called Jewish identity as a means to enact terror on the middle east and hide behind “but we Jews are the victim, remember the Holocaust?”.

This Jewish Rabbi really doesn’t like Zionism nor Israel government. I felt much more informed on the topic of how Israel Zionism formed after watching this. 15 min video if you are interested.

youtu.be/JIlSHx8tgRQ

TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id on 25 Mar 14:57 next collapse

About a second after this passes. Fucking nazis.

greenashura@sh.itjust.works on 25 Mar 19:08 collapse

After? They already are, the nazis didn’t get the name after the gas chambers.

tacosanonymous@mander.xyz on 25 Mar 15:58 next collapse

Their legislative body is proposing they do more war crimes? Jbfc

Restaldt@lemmy.world on 25 Mar 21:01 next collapse

Where are all the “But Kamala will be worse for Gaza” people at?

We are months away from them just setting up mobile crematoriums at the end of the exit hallway from an empty courtroom.

Whats that? They were pretty much all bots? Crazy.

Stamau123@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 00:04 next collapse

You say that but those weirdos are still out there

Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com on 26 Mar 03:44 next collapse

Have you heard from jill stein?

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 26 Mar 06:22 collapse

putin has her come out of the permafrost every 4 years. Surprisingly both her and rfk jr had 1million+votes each, thats mean there were 2 million dumb conservatives that voted for “not trump”

rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 03:51 next collapse

Where are all the “But Kamala will be worse for Gaza” people at?

What would she have done differently, and why said different policy has not been implemented before?

kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Mar 06:19 next collapse

The only difference is she would have said “this sets a dangerous precedent for the future of democracy”, get called an antisemite, and then walk back her statement without doing anything.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 26 Mar 06:21 next collapse

putin saw no reason to issue those videos after the election ended.

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 26 Mar 10:37 next collapse

Tired of Americans making everything about scoring points in their internal politics.

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Mar 10:57 collapse

This is literally a situation where Kamala would do NOTHING AT ALL towards Israel different from what Trumps is doing - i.e. not doing anything about it.

Of all the possible scenarios you could use to point out that Lesser Evil is not Greater Evil, this is the worst one since Kamala would do the same toward Israel as Trump, but be more of an hypocrite about it (like saying some bullshit about “the US does not interfere with internal Israeli affairs” whilst sending them more bombs).

It would be way better to compare the actions of a possible non-Evil candidate that the Democracts should have fielded (but did not because the party is under the control of evil sociopaths) with those of Trump.

“What would Bernie have done?” sounds like a much better question to suggest here as the contrast with Trump would be huge.

Of course, pointing out that there are several Democrats who would act way differently from Trump or Kamala in this would bring up the point that a party which sidelined non-evil candidates in order to field a “as evil as possible but just shy of the other party’s” Presidential candidate needs to change and that would be questioning the perfection of he tribe and the quality of its chiefs, a step too far for a tribalist party faithful parroting “those who didn’t vote for Kamala ‘voted’ for Trump” DNC propaganda …

Restaldt@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 14:33 collapse

Say what you want but Kamala would not have stuck her micropenis in the Iranian hornets nest

Trump did. Gaza has still been obliterated. The rest of the middle east is on fire. The global economy is turbofucked for probably the rest of our lives.

Also netanyahu doesn’t have any tapes of Kamala from Jeffery.

¯\(ツ)

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Mar 15:05 collapse

So, Kamala would be less incompetent than Trump (such a low barrier that literally a stone I got out of my shoe the other day is less incompetent than Trump).

Meanwhile, Bernie would have stopped support of Israel when they started Genociding in Gaza.

The difference between Kamala and Trump is an inch, the difference between Bernie and Trump is a yard.

Strangelly the “Kamala beats Trump” parrots never seem to mention the alternatives to Kamala who could have been the Democrat Party candidate and are vastly better than BOTH Kamala and Trump.

Soulg@ani.social on 26 Mar 15:15 collapse

I suppose I forgot that Bernie was the Democrat candidate in 2024?

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Mar 16:19 collapse

One wonders why some relentlessly insist in treating the selection of a Democrat Party presidential candidate as a fait accomplit which should not be looked at, criticized or challenged, whilst treating the Presidential vote in a completelly different way.

The idea that the choice of candidate matters not implies that who the candidates are has no influence whatsoever in who gets elected, which is not at all consistent with the observed results of US Presidential elections over the years.

Surely anybody wanting that America is better led, rather than driven above all by party loyalty, when trying to figure out what went wrong in order to avoid a repetition of it, will look at the entire process rather than treating some of the choices that led to a Trump win and those who made them as “beyond question, it is as it is” whilst at the same time treating other choices and those who made it as “entirelly to blame for the outcome”.

ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world on 25 Mar 23:58 next collapse

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Wispy2891@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 05:59 collapse

For him, with the rope a bit too long so he can stand on top of toes, lasting a couple hours

finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 00:11 next collapse

They murder Palestinians in droves illegally. Why are they pretending to worry about having a law, or not?

ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 03:43 collapse

Best bang for their buck placating a large and influential political body.

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 00:44 next collapse

religion really is a scourge on humanity.

drmoose@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 03:02 next collapse

Imagine being so fucking delusional that you wear a religious head piece at the same time you wear a glorified icon of a murder tool. How can anyone take this seriously.

Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 04:27 next collapse

While I mostly agree, it’s really “organized” religion that is the problem. Not religion itself. And of course organized religion is just humans fucking each other over. It’s like the land was taken, so they needed another dimension to form thier group around so they could have power and influence. So they went with religion. It’s much more profitable.

Saffire@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 06:37 next collapse

If a religion isn’t organized, then how is it a religion at all?

Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 16:50 next collapse

You can believe in whatever you want, and that would be religion. Lots of people have their own flavor of religion. Even people who go to services often have their own flavor that doesn’t line up with any specific religion. I think there is like a whole religion around simply believing in some form of god. Unitarian I think they call. Not sure if it is actually organized or not. But once you have a human leader and a body that tells all others of a religion what to do, then you are organized. And that leader and body that makes descisions for the rest is the problem.

aquovie@lemmy.cafe on 26 Mar 18:11 collapse

Christianity post-Jesus but pre-Constantine. They met in small groups in a person’s home. It was a book club for how to be a better person because (setting atheist skepticism aside) that was Jesus’ original teaching.

Once it became a state religion, it was all about the power. After the fall of Rome, the Catholic Church was effectively a nation state - controlling territory, collecting taxes, etc.

tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 17:56 collapse

Organized religion, at any scale of organization, is about only one thing: power.

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 26 Mar 10:36 collapse

This is ethno-nationalism.

Gammelfisch@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 01:14 next collapse

The motherfuckers learned well from the SS and NKVD. Sick and disgusting

LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml on 26 Mar 01:44 next collapse

Daily reminder that everything the Nazis did was legal

rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 03:41 collapse

Not everything. The concentration camps were purposefully built outside Germany.

Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com on 26 Mar 03:43 next collapse

Built legally outside you say?

rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 03:59 collapse

No, they were built without the knowledge of the German government.

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 26 Mar 10:35 next collapse

That’s a wild thing to say that crosses into Holocaust Denial territory.

nautevenkidding@feddit.org on 26 Mar 14:12 next collapse

Sits comfortably within*

Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip on 26 Mar 14:26 collapse

That IS Holocaust denial.

argarath@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 12:12 next collapse

And who was running those camps? The tooth fairy? Get real ffs

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today on 26 Mar 16:22 next collapse

There were over 40,000 Concentration Camps in Nazi-controlled territory. Are you actually claiming that some unknown entity built, filled, and operated over 40,000 Concentration Camps without the other extremely control-oriented Nazis being aware of it? And you can’t identify this Unknown Entity?

Just the application of the most basic Critical Thinking Skills will shoot down this ridiculous assertion.

rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 18:47 collapse

Yes, the Nazi party was deliberately secretive because of the criminal nature of its actions.

dogzilla@masto.deluma.biz on 26 Mar 18:50 collapse

@rwrwefwef @world I don’t think it was criminal. Pretty sure the Nazis passed laws that made the Holocaust legal in Nazi Germany.

remon@ani.social on 26 Mar 16:54 collapse

You might want to look up the Wannsee Conference …

rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 18:46 collapse

Which was held under secrecy.

Aqarius@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 05:43 next collapse

???

Dachau is just outside Munich.

rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 18:59 collapse

It was opened before the war even started.

TimeNaan@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 05:46 collapse

That’s complete bullshit. The first concentration camps were built long before the war, within Germany.

During the war all camps were within the Third Reich’s territory as well. Yes the government knew. Stop spreading disinformation.

rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 03:56 next collapse

Putting that aside, under what jurisdiction can they make arrests when they’re occupying internationally recognized sovereign territories. The Palestinians aren’t subject to their laws.

3abas@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 06:23 next collapse

Since when does an occupying supremacist colonizer care about laws?

AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 17:22 collapse

If you’re ever being robbed just remind the robber that crime is illegal

rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 18:44 collapse

Fair enough, but the law binds its subjects as much as it does its judiciary. In other words, if the Israeli government can break the laws when it comes to Palestinians, what prevents it from doing the same to Israeli citizens? How can any citizenry be okay with this?

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 26 Mar 10:42 next collapse

Isolate, boycott, divest and sanction this genocidal apartheid regime.

rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 18:50 next collapse

It’s like they have this problem with all these prisoners and camps and stuff and they need one more remedy. A last result of some kind. Like an ultimate fix. Hmmmm

samus12345@sh.itjust.works on 26 Mar 19:11 collapse

The should put something catchy over the gates, something like העבודה משחררת אותך

Widdershins@lemmy.world on 26 Mar 19:30 collapse

Its quite amazing that hebrew is a language that can’t be translated by machine due to its phonetic nature. They future proofed the language at conception well before computers existed.

rustyfemboy@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 26 Mar 19:02 next collapse

In other words, turning concentration camps into death camps

UnicornToasterOven@lemmy.cafe on 26 Mar 19:08 next collapse

DOWN WITH ISRAEL!!!

FREE PALESTINE!!!

BOW TO YOUR NEW RULER, SQUIDWARD TENTACLES, GOD OF SOCIALISM AND LEFTISM AND ALL THINGS ANTI-MAGA!!!

Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca on 26 Mar 19:46 collapse

Prisoners held with no charge, executed for the crime of being a prisoner.