'Glorifying Terrorism' Charges - France Sentences Pro-Palestine Activist to Three Years (www.palestinechronicle.com)
from solo@slrpnk.net to world@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 18:22
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A French court has sentenced a nursing student to three years in prison for allegedly “glorifying terrorism” on social media.

Zaiter said “46 days after an arbitrary and unjust detention for having denounced the genocide and expressed my support for Palestine in Nice, I finally find my daughter.”

The trial highlights France’s stringent stance on public speech and pro-Israel laws.

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Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win on 07 Nov 2024 18:38 next collapse

I wonder if Police nationale reads Lemmy?

Noodle07@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 21:56 next collapse

Don’t worry they can’t read

febra@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2024 14:35 collapse

SInce when do cops read

JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz on 07 Nov 2024 19:43 next collapse

Is it pro-palestine or pro-hamas?

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io on 07 Nov 2024 20:44 collapse

Doesn't matter; she's still getting imprisoned for exercising her right to free speech.

Iceblade02@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 20:55 collapse

In the eyes of French law, it does matter, their freedom of speech is limited (UK is even worse in this regard).

I do however agree that freedom of speech and communication should be upheld to the highest possible degree, even when some may find it offensive or consider it hateful.

It is, after all, the foundation of western democracy and humanitarian values.

technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 08 Nov 2024 17:20 collapse

White supremacist dogwhistles aside… There’s never any actual real freedom of speech. It’s always political. This is just one current example but speech is widely attacked. Many people are being expelled from their schools, jobs, etc. Most people don’t even dare to speak out. I use this semi-anonymous account and I’m still worried about being attacked. The pro-genocide/zio narrative is the hegemonic narrative that will be violently enforced.

hubobes@sh.itjust.works on 07 Nov 2024 21:35 next collapse

In 2021, France adopted the infamous definition of antisemitism proposed by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), which deems criticism of Israel and Zionism and comparing Israel’s practices to those of the Nazis forms of antisemitism

How does that make any sense?

Noodle07@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 21:56 next collapse

It doesn’t

Zorque@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2024 22:45 collapse

It makes sense to people who want to use the deaths of their ancestors as an excuse to do whatever the fuck they want.

BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2024 14:31 collapse

For eternity

FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works on 08 Nov 2024 13:06 collapse

I feel like a bit of context is appropriate ‡:

During the October 21 trial, she defended her posts as emotionally driven responses to the genocide in Gaza, stating she aimed to critique Zionism, not Judaism. Despite acknowledging that some of her words were “very violent,” she insisted her intentions were misinterpreted.

The vast majority of people in France criticizing Israel don’t get arrested. The French have even elected a French-Palestinian for the European Parliament (Rima Hassan), who’s been caught red-handed spreading fake news about Israel training dogs to rape palestinians, and is not in prison †

She won’t go to prison for this (suspended sentence, plus ankle bracelet).

I can’t tell if she actually advocated for terrorism, because I can’t find her exact words. But I wouldn’t be so quick to defend her given the circumstances. It could be true that she broke the law.

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shaserlark@sh.itjust.works on 08 Nov 2024 17:54 next collapse

Likely that there’s more to this, but I think it’s also important to remember that they did the same to some climate activists and that institutions in France are notoriously hostile towards the French-Muslim population, especially of (North-)African descent.

There are way too many people alive who still remember France having colonies. Levantine Arabs have a better standing due to some Palestinians and Lebanese churches having close ties to France, but in general I also wouldn’t rule out that this sentence is as harsh just because someone disliked by the government was too critical of said government. Although I have to admit that this is now speculation from my side

FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works on 08 Nov 2024 18:00 collapse

I completely agree with everything you said. I wish we could see exactly what that person said.

solo@slrpnk.net on 09 Nov 2024 07:59 collapse

It could be true that she broke the law.

Breaking the law on this topic is not hard in France, since unfortunately it is part of the (post)colonial countries that equate anti-zionism with antisemitism.

So criticizing the settler colonial state of Israel can mean you break the law, without taking into consideration that Zionism is a political movement that has been criticized by Jews since its inception. Jewish voice for Peace have a great article about it: Our Approach to Zionism. And they are not the only ones.

Or supporting that Palestinians have human rights like any other person on this planet - like to be against Israel’s apartheid for example - is considered terrorism, more often than not.

Please, let’s not be so quick to defend France or any colonial country

Edit: A relavant article. It’s in relation to the Lellouche law, from Haaretz - BDS a Hate Crime? In France, Legal Vigilance Punishes anti-Israel Activists