from OccultIconoclast@reddthat.com to vegancirclejerk@lemmy.world on 09 Mar 2025 14:13
https://reddthat.com/post/36612595
Yeah, bees are controversial, but let’s talk about the vegans who actually eat meat
Aboriginal Australians have been hunting kangaroos for 60,000 years, and the kangaroos have adapted. Modern kangaroos tend to overpopulate and overgraze, destroying grasslands that are used as crucial habitats for threatened indigenous species. Kangaroos need to be culled to protect the environment.
All kangaroo meat comes from wild kangaroos. Hunting quotas are managed by the government based on aerial population surveys. When hunting quotas aren’t met, the remaining kangaroos have to be culled, and their meat rots in ditches and mass graves instead of being eaten.
Come on vegans, let’s get toxic. I wanna see some pro-kangatarian vegans being called murderers over this.
#vegancirclejerk
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just introduce lions into the ecosystem.
There was an old lady who swallowed a cane beetle
You mean pull a Jurassic Park and de-extinct the marsupial lion, not introduce yet another invasive species, right?
…right?
sounds cool
what could go wrong
The Tasmanian Tiger would be the answer here
That existed much more recently, but they were a lot smaller than marsupial lions. According to Wikipedia, the kind of prey they went after pretty much maxed out at the Red-necked Wallaby (13-19 kg), whereas the kangaroos we’re trying to control can weigh up to 90 kg.
My thinking was more, that the Tasmanian Tiger, although (very probably) extinct, it would be the kangaroo hunter, they would need
So, was more like a “fuck you guys for killing it, because it would have solved your current problem”, than a real direct answer to your comment
Sorry for maybe displacing my answer
The answer is always “more wolves”
That’s also my answer to the political crisis in America
Finally, an ethical way to feed your cat
Только сегодня вспоминали как мы ели кенгурятину, и она довольно специфична, не похожа на другое мясо В девяностые и начале двухтысячных ее много поставляли в Россию
I am a vegan, well for now maybe it changes maybe it doesn’t since I believe everything should be looked at as rationally as one is able to, but I still see hunting wild animals in certain situations being ethical. Where I am from, South Africa, hunting has basically supported environments that are kept as natural as possible, so the wild life has to be sustainable , and it supports all the other animals that also live on the farm that cannot be hunted. There are bad, really bad situations where this was not the case, cage lion hunting being an awful example. But yeah the animal really does live its life in its natural environment, and when hunted usually killed in a quick manner, usually not always, similar as if it was hunted by lions or crocodiles.
It is a difficult point, since I do not ever want to hunt, but I see the benefits of hunting. I know there might be obvious shortcomings in my view, but OP, with this one you have my semi vote of approval. But with all things we should make rational ethical decisions where it does not lead to suffering or exploitation of the beings involved. Maybe Australia can support a bigger number of kangaroos than what the government says, remember they are not always to be trusted. But maybe the natural predators of kangaroos have been eradicated and now human culling needs to put pressure to keep sustainable populations. I cannot give you the answers but hopefully a conversation can begin. I tried to be open as you asked OP
The natural predators of kangaroos are parasites, and indigenous humans. Indigenous humans haven’t been eradicated, but colonisation and capitalism have harmed their ability to engage in traditional practices that maintain the land.
Don’t you guys have Steve Irwin’s crocodiles. Where they not the natural predators of kangaroos, I assume most of them have been removed from most rivers to more natural protected areas?
Or like the Tasmanian Tiger, even though they look a bit small, but if there were packs of them, or dingoes. Look I believe humans have disrupted the natural forces keeping Australia’s fauna and flora in equilibrium, just like almost everywhere else. I think you also have an alien toad that is also wrecking havoc on your ecosystem, where I am really in favour of ethical thought out method of eliminating invasive alien species.
Crocodiles live in rivers and ocean. Most of Australia is a desert. Crocodiles are actually classified as a least concern. They don’t have a problem with global warming, they’re reptiles. They ruled the earth last time it was this hot.
Thylacines were too small to take down a kangaroo, and hunted alone. Thylacines were also extinct on the mainland when the white invaders arrived.
Australia doesn’t really have megafauna predation on the same scale as the other continents, except for humans. Invasive species have been so harmful to Australia because the indigenous species over there just aren’t as… competitive. They don’t have bears, or wolves, or moosen, or elephants, or big cats. It’s a chiller vibe. Rabbit plagues are such a problem because there are no large scale predators to deal with them like in europe and the americas. Australia’s ecosystem has been very fragile for tens of thousands of years. And humans have been managing it to keep it in balance for just as long. If you’re talking about the natural state of Australia, it’s one managed by humans, passing down conservation methods through oral histories over millenia. You’re underestimating the wisdom and importance of aboriginal australians.
In Afro-Eurasia, recorded history began around 5,000 years ago, with the rise of the written word in Egypt and Mesopotamia. In Australia, recorded history is ten times longer. Intentionally recorded, with the specific goal of preparing people for the future with lessons from the past.