Impossible Foods Edges Closer To EU Approval (plantbasednews.org)
from Sunshine@lemmy.ca to vegan@lemmy.world on 20 Nov 19:21
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JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world on 20 Nov 19:59 next collapse

While waiting for it, the air went out of the fake-meat balloon.

To be clear, I do not think this is a good thing.

Addendum: This information is completely relevant. Downvoting inconvenient facts does not make them go away.

5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 20 Nov 22:24 collapse

How is that not just a techbro problem?

JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world on 20 Nov 22:42 collapse

Not sure I understand. My point was that fake meats were seen as a great stealth solution. If only the meat was completely realistic, meat lovers would switch to it. Like smoking and electronic cigarettes, basically. No, it was never a solution that would please purist vegans. But personally I just want people to eat less meat, even tech bros if possible. So I was hopeful.

And it turns out it’s not enough. Both Impossible and Beyond are tasty and pretty damn realistic, I have tried them. But the revolution did not happen. The cost differential and dropped and doesn’t fully explain it. The psychological resistance is just tougher than expected.

5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Nov 00:31 next collapse

Veganism is not really a technology issue, it is a philosophy of minimising suffering.

Veganism does not rely on trapping carnists, it relies on convincing carnists.

Burger patty taste does not excuse genetically modifying and killing a sentient being. If vegan burger patties taste 70-90% as good as carnists burger patties, that’s more than enough to live with.

Of course, improving taste can be good, but veganism is not a substitute.

Refusing veganism because vegan burger patties do not taste good enough is cognitive dissonance, burger patty taste is not an argument for carnism.

commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Nov 00:57 collapse

I told dbzer0 I wouldn’t disrupt vegan spaces when he gave me an account. with that said, I hope we can continue this cordially. if at any point you want me to stop, please say so.

taste is not an argument for carnism.

frankly, it is. aesthetic pleasure is one of the great reasons for living. surely, it is part of the self actualization of Maslow’s hierarchy.

since carnism is so pervasive in society, we must accept that the pleasures associated with it are commonplace. to deny someone a common aesthetic experience in the name of ending carnism needs to be sold. simply saying “it’s not an argument” is, ironically, not an argument.

5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Nov 01:32 collapse

I bet those cows wanted some parts of Maslow’s needs as well.

Why is your self-actualisation more important than a cow’s existence?

Taste is not argument for carnism because it isn’t just to compare taste to right to exist.

commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Nov 02:56 next collapse

with all due respect, we have no evidence of a cow’s need for self actualization. we can’t even point to evidence of self awareness.

commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Nov 02:57 collapse

I don’t personally believe in rights as an external phenomenon. I believe they are a human fiction

riodoro1@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 00:37 collapse

My point was that fake meats were seen as a great stealth solution. If only the meat was completely realistic, meat lovers would switch to it

Ask any vegetarian and they’ll tell you it’s absolutely delusional to believe that.

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 20 Nov 20:35 next collapse

I want impossible (or beyond) chorizo.

dance_ninja@lemmy.world on 20 Nov 22:38 collapse

Have you tried the soy chorizo from Trader Joe’s?

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 21 Nov 03:39 collapse

I am not even sure I have ever been into a Trader Joe’s, I think there is one in the city. I have had soy’rizo and I picked up another brand from the freezer but keep forgetting to cook it. The soy rizo was okay, but tasted more soy than rizo.

something_random_tho@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 01:20 collapse

I’m shocked it wasn’t already available. These have been a great sub for meat when I was trying to shift more toward a vegan diet. Really made the first weeks/months easier!