Cat Lover Challenges Vegan Activist: Is Being Vegan Too Expensive? (www.youtube.com)
from cleanprairiedog@lemmy.world to vegan@lemmy.world on 15 Aug 2024 19:41
https://lemmy.world/post/18691022

#vegan

threaded - newest

[deleted] on 15 Aug 2024 21:31 next collapse
.
[deleted] on 16 Aug 2024 11:48 collapse
.
[deleted] on 17 Aug 2024 16:45 collapse
.
[deleted] on 17 Aug 2024 17:49 collapse
.
JimSamtanko@lemm.ee on 17 Aug 2024 18:04 collapse

I’m not arguing with you on this. You’re wrong and science agrees and unless you’re going to show your credentials that allow you to directly dispute the ASPCA- stop spreading misinformation.

www.bluecross.org.uk/advice/…/can-cats-be-vegan#:….

www.petmd.com/…/can-cats-be-vegan-or-vegetarian

www.aspca.org/news/why-cant-my-cat-be-vegan

[deleted] on 17 Aug 2024 20:16 collapse
.
JimSamtanko@lemm.ee on 17 Aug 2024 21:36 collapse

Wrong and wrong

Cats evolved to be carnivores. Period. This is not a debate. This is science. They need a meat based diet to survive healthily. Period. This is not a debate- this is science. Supplementing it with synthetic pretends and taurine is NOT the same thing.

Again… This is not a debate- this is SCIENCE.

Omniforous@mander.xyz on 18 Aug 2024 00:43 collapse

Science says that creatures of all types need nutrients, not ingredients. That’s why the more scientifically minded sources you have linked don’t say outright that vegan cat food is impossible, they point out specific nutrients that may be hard to source in vegan foods.

The other articles seem obsessed with the idea that vegans are going to feed their cat a carrot and some broccoli, which is obviously wrong and inadequate. I’d like to compare like to like, so let’s look at what most people feed their cats, dry kibble.

One of the main important nutrients that is present in meat and not plants is taurine. Some of the taurine in meat is destroyed when it is cooked, so they suppliment the meat with synthetic taurine. Both types of kibble have synthetic taurine, and this taurine had been studied extensively and is the same as the naturally occurring stuff.

A lot of these articles say a vegan diet is unnatural for cats and thus wrong. Your linked article on cats.com brings up a good point that cats whole lives as pets is unnatural. Cats natural habitat is in the wild, eating only what they catch when they catch it. Eating kibble or wet food on a schedule in a house is completely unnatural regardless of the makeup of that kibble. The makeup of the meat kibble is also not a cats natural diet, they would be eating small birds and rodents, not tuna and salmon.

If you have a scientific article that says otherwise is be happy to hear it. I’m happy to say that a meat based diet will be easier and simpler to give your cat, but science doesn’t agree that meat is strictly necessary

JimSamtanko@lemm.ee on 18 Aug 2024 01:09 collapse

No matter how to rationalize it- you’re wrong. And pushing YOUR diet on an animal with entirely different needs is borderline abuse- regardless of whether or not you’re willing to face this fact.

Omniforous@mander.xyz on 18 Aug 2024 03:36 collapse

No matter what you feed you’re cat, you are forcing a diet on them. They need certain nutrients, which I am providing them. They like the food. I don’t see the issue with giving my cat nutritionally complete food that they like.

It’s OK of you would rather feed you’re cat something else, but I haven’t yet seen a compelling reason not to use the nutritionally complete vegan food. We have different opinions and priorities and that’s that.

Rooki@lemmy.world on 18 Aug 2024 17:10 collapse

Edit: I am sorry, about my emotional decision i reinstated @Eevoltic and @naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com as mods After researching myself, many non scientific sites say its not healthy and some say its unethical, one (1) research paper says it is at least NOT unhealthy, but it has few points of data and i didnt found any other scientific paper about this…

[deleted] on 18 Aug 2024 21:42 next collapse
.
[deleted] on 19 Aug 2024 08:08 collapse
.
[deleted] on 19 Aug 2024 04:12 next collapse
.
Beaver@lemmy.ca on 24 Aug 2024 00:04 collapse

Wow I’m not impressed with the removal of a moderator’s response.