That’s a weird statement. If you want to talk about rights on c/vegan, how about this: Humans have no right to steal milk from other animals and do terrible, terrible things to obtain it. Or, those calves - and the ones that were not saved from the horrors of the dairy farm - have a right not to grow up in what’s essentially a concentration camp
(Edit: Every downvote makes me smile because it represents an omnivore thinking - at least once today - about how their choices impact adorable bovine, like these baby calves. That’s real, unlike the “baby cows have no right to be so cute” guilt-copium)
Cris_Color@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 14:24
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Its a figure of speech… People are downvoting you because you’ve construed a sincere, positive thing to say as a personal attack on your ideology…
All I meant is that baby cows are really cute…
I came to your space with a thought I hoped would allow me to connect with folks with whom I don’t share a lifestyle choice, albeit a lifestyle choice and ethical framework I really respect. “Baby cows are really cute”.
Its worth reflecting on whether the way you’re engaging with this issue you care about is going to alienate people and close them off to your perspective, or actually yield the kinds of changes in the world you hope to see
I get you’re angry, but I feel like you’re prioritizing taking your anger out on people over engaging with them in a way that might be productive in progressing the state of the issue you’re angry about.
Hope you have a good day, I’m sorry to have made your day more angry than it would have been otherwise.
Thanks for your reply, Cris. We get a lot of non-vegans driving by here and making dumb, speciest comments.
I can now tell you’re not one of those; your heart’s in the right place. But your casual invocation of rights confused me. If you’d said what you meant, “baby cows are really cute,” we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
I’m neither angry nor trying to proselytize here. And I couldn’t give a hoot about how many non-vegans downvote me for speaking the truth about non-human animal suffering. I regard this as a for us/by us community, and I communicate in it accordingly - this is not the place for eyewash about how humans treat and think of non-human animals. This is a place to cut through denial and have honest discussions about subjects that are really important and sometimes really grotesque.
I commend you for your open-mindedness and I hope to see you back here again, if you so choose. You have given me some to think about in terms of how best I can meet people at all stages in their transition to veganism (including completely closed off to the idea).
My only ask of you would be to consider your c/vegan audience next time in your phrasing. We here do not believe there is any justice to the status quo of non-human animal agriculture, and we are witness to horrible things perpetuated on large-scale by our species. So casually talking about “rights” is fraught. Again, I would not have objected to “baby cows are so cute.”
I’m sorry if this seems overly complicated. But you’re in an unfamiliar cultural space. If I was in your shoes, I wouldn’t beat myself up for making a small honest mistake, and I’d listen more than I talk.
Have a good day as well, as happy Winter Solstice (depending on where you are :)
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Man, baby cows have no right to be so friggen cute.
That’s a weird statement. If you want to talk about rights on c/vegan, how about this: Humans have no right to steal milk from other animals and do terrible, terrible things to obtain it. Or, those calves - and the ones that were not saved from the horrors of the dairy farm - have a right not to grow up in what’s essentially a concentration camp
(Edit: Every downvote makes me smile because it represents an omnivore thinking - at least once today - about how their choices impact adorable bovine, like these baby calves. That’s real, unlike the “baby cows have no right to be so cute” guilt-copium)
Its a figure of speech… People are downvoting you because you’ve construed a sincere, positive thing to say as a personal attack on your ideology…
All I meant is that baby cows are really cute…
I came to your space with a thought I hoped would allow me to connect with folks with whom I don’t share a lifestyle choice, albeit a lifestyle choice and ethical framework I really respect. “Baby cows are really cute”.
Its worth reflecting on whether the way you’re engaging with this issue you care about is going to alienate people and close them off to your perspective, or actually yield the kinds of changes in the world you hope to see
I get you’re angry, but I feel like you’re prioritizing taking your anger out on people over engaging with them in a way that might be productive in progressing the state of the issue you’re angry about.
Hope you have a good day, I’m sorry to have made your day more angry than it would have been otherwise.
I thought this was c/vegancirclejerk for a second after reading that reply 😂
Thanks for your reply, Cris. We get a lot of non-vegans driving by here and making dumb, speciest comments.
I can now tell you’re not one of those; your heart’s in the right place. But your casual invocation of rights confused me. If you’d said what you meant, “baby cows are really cute,” we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
I’m neither angry nor trying to proselytize here. And I couldn’t give a hoot about how many non-vegans downvote me for speaking the truth about non-human animal suffering. I regard this as a for us/by us community, and I communicate in it accordingly - this is not the place for eyewash about how humans treat and think of non-human animals. This is a place to cut through denial and have honest discussions about subjects that are really important and sometimes really grotesque.
I commend you for your open-mindedness and I hope to see you back here again, if you so choose. You have given me some to think about in terms of how best I can meet people at all stages in their transition to veganism (including completely closed off to the idea).
My only ask of you would be to consider your c/vegan audience next time in your phrasing. We here do not believe there is any justice to the status quo of non-human animal agriculture, and we are witness to horrible things perpetuated on large-scale by our species. So casually talking about “rights” is fraught. Again, I would not have objected to “baby cows are so cute.”
I’m sorry if this seems overly complicated. But you’re in an unfamiliar cultural space. If I was in your shoes, I wouldn’t beat myself up for making a small honest mistake, and I’d listen more than I talk.
Have a good day as well, as happy Winter Solstice (depending on where you are :)
^People need to be called out when they perpetuate this cruel system. Vegans are always “rude” in the eyes of carnists.