How Long Cows Live — If They’re Actually Given the Chance (sentientmedia.org)
from Sunshine@lemmy.ca to vegan@lemmy.world on 25 Dec 2024 23:41
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breadsmasher@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2024 00:34 next collapse

i’m not against veganism at all. i do not mean this in a negative way; it is a sincere question.

given how humanity seems to want to wipe out animals it can’t farm, how many cows would exist if they were not consumed for various products?

Sunshine@lemmy.ca on 26 Dec 2024 01:21 next collapse

Deforestation is largely caused by animal agriculture, if we stop that then there’s a lot more land available for the wildlife reducing the extinction risk greatly, as Denmark has recently committed to converting 15% of the farm land to forests.

There would be a lot less bovines in the world as they’re not longer being artificially inseminated, they would move to sanctuaries where they can live fulfilling lives without the threat of an early death.

breadsmasher@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2024 02:50 next collapse

I see thats an important point ive misunderstood until your comment - its not about, for example, having a huge number of cows. But a natural number, living full happy lives. As opposed to the artificial amount we breed for farming. thanks!

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2024 07:14 collapse

The original wild cows, aurochs, were far different from the ones on farms today. Farm cows would likely die quickly and go extinct without human support. There is an attempt to “devolve” farm cattle to daylight the latent auroch genes left in some breeds of cattle, it is called “rewilding”. Of course the catch is also finding them wilderness habitats without things like highways cutting through them.

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2024 07:07 collapse

In the US it was mainly due to logging.

fulfilling lives

Cow college? Cow clubs?

K4mpfie@feddit.org on 26 Dec 2024 08:46 next collapse

given how humanity seems to want to wipe out animals it can’t farm, how many cows would exist if they were not consumed for various products?

Fine I’ll take the bait. This is a ridiculously bold claim which so carelessly oversimplifies…well everything that I need to ask, where did you hear this??

rbn@sopuli.xyz on 26 Dec 2024 09:13 collapse

I guess it would probably be just a fraction compared to the current number of cows but I personally think it’s still a much better world with few animals living in the wild rather than masses in captivity.

If some aliens came to us and and offered us to massively increase the human population by factor 10 or 100 but in return they’d hold us in cages, control our reproduction, decide on how old you’ll get, use our bodies as ressources for food and clothes etc.

I guess very few humans would see such a development as a success for our species despite the tremendous growth of individuals.

Quality > quantity

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Psionicsickness@reddthat.com on 26 Dec 2024 01:44 next collapse

Humans dont need cow meat at all

We don’t need coal power either, but here we are, doesn’t change the fact that cows were designed by us for our needs. I do agree that cattle is archaic and should be phased out as soon as possible.

we do not own cows

I assure you private citizens own cattle, regardless of your disagreement.

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DancingBear@midwest.social on 26 Dec 2024 06:57 collapse

Don’t lose the forest for the trees my man

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2024 07:16 collapse

We don’t own plants either but here we are.

Sunshine@lemmy.ca on 26 Dec 2024 07:35 collapse

Plants are not the same because they’re not conscious. Bovines on the other hand are intelligent and have feelings.

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world on 26 Dec 2024 07:05 next collapse

They’d milk us if they had the chance.

cows_are_underrated@feddit.org on 26 Dec 2024 11:08 collapse

The oldest cow I know will turn 16 next year. Quite impressive.