All roads lead back to hedonism
from inari@piefed.zip to vegan@lemmy.world on 09 May 22:09
https://piefed.zip/c/vegan/p/1468790/all-roads-lead-back-to-hedonism
from inari@piefed.zip to vegan@lemmy.world on 09 May 22:09
https://piefed.zip/c/vegan/p/1468790/all-roads-lead-back-to-hedonism
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You can either try to get us meat eaters to eat less meat and encourage us to try more vegan options, which would benefit the environment. (Sharing recipes good recipes) Or you can continue the us vs them rhetoric. You won’t be able to instantly convert someone eating mest into becoming a 100% vegan overnight by “shaming” them.
I realize this is the vegan instance, so you’re not trying to convert anyone, but alas I got it in my feed.
“Only a sith deals in absolutes” or something, idk I’m not a Jedi
I don’t see this as shaming so much as calling out a shared experience every vegan has had (it’s a vegan community after all).
Kind of like the “the only ethical abortion is my abortion” crowd, any discussion of the benefits of eating less meat gets flooded with the “but the beef I buy is super unique and ethical”, which is never true on so many levels.
The answer is always eat less meat, but people come up with so many excuses not to that it becomes memeable in the community.
If this is shaming anybody it’s not the folks trying to eat less meat, but the ones coming up with every excuse possible to not change.
I have been eating a lot less meat than I used to and far less than all meat eating people I know, and I find it a bit shaming. It seems pretty dismissive of people who are trying, potentially misguidedly maybe, but trying to do something better and it’s getting disregarded as no different than any other choice. The implication is that unless you’re vegan, any concern you have is irrelevant because you’re super selfish and like the taste of flesh. But in reality it’s an unproductive thought process and it’s insanely reductive.
The comic addresses people that are making flimsy excuses about not wanting to reduce their meat consumption despite their environmentalist ideals. From your comment, you don’t sound like that describes you. Why do you feel shamed? It’s not directed at you.
I didn’t say I feel shamed. I am saying it seems intended to shame, the target being a group of people you just named. Shame isn’t the best motivator, particularly when it’s dismissive of people who have considered facts and tried making some improvement. I personally don’t care enough about where my meat comes from so if I did what these people getting shamed were doing, it would be an improvement just like if they reduced their intake like I have, it would be an improvement for them. My improvement probably matters more than theirs but I’m not trying to shit on theirs.
Yes, it’s intended to shame hypocrites
This is the same with any advocacy groups, the loudest abrasive voice burns distain in the brains of the receiver. As a vegan, some vegans are the worst to have out there talking to people.
As someone who is currently learning more vegan dishes specifically so I can reduce my animal product intake- yeah 100%. Its honestly really frustrating. That being said, venting is messy since its important for people to be able to express their frustration with people not getting why their passion subject is important, but its not good to practice bitterness for everyone who doesnt already get it. Most vegans didn’t show up in the world that way, and everyone starts in a different place
Open source and free license shit is the same way. The solution to wanting the world to be kinder and better to people is usually not to be worse to the people standing in front of you
Personally I find sharing your excitement about something with no expectation others be interested more productive. And if folks are open to it, you can cook them your favorite vegan dish you’ve been working on. Or help them set up a fedi account, even if they still have twitter. Or show them your sweet linux setup you’re proud of.
I think it helps to let people share in your passion. It works a lot better than shame :)
This is not even shaming meat eaters. It’s shaming hypocrites. It’s actually implying the normal meat eater is at least honest.
If someone is really invested with the environment and climate, they should at the least have some awareness of the consequences of meat consumption. In that case, why do others have to keep holding their hand? The world wide web is full of delicious vegan/vegetarian recipes. Why does individual responsibility/initiative stop when one is convinced that reducing a luxury good is the best option?
And there are so many options to improve. Flexitarian, pescaterian, vegetarian, plant-based or vegan. I believe it helps to not let perfect be the enemy of good. It might also depend a bit on what convictions you want to change. If climate and/or health, it might give a bit more leniency; if animal wellfare it is likely to be a strict regime.
(keep in mind, the above is about those who say to care for the environement/climate)