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Syncthing Android app discontinued (forum.syncthing.net)
from chaospatterns@lemmy.world to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 17:14
https://lemmy.world/post/21070831

Announcement by the creator: forum.syncthing.net/t/…/23002

Unfortunately I don’t have good news on the state of the android app: I am retiring it. The last release on Github and F-Droid will happen with the December 2024 Syncthing version.

Reason is a combination of Google making Play publishing something between hard and impossible and no active maintenance. The app saw no significant development for a long time and without Play releases I do no longer see enough benefit and/or have enough motivation to keep up the ongoing maintenance an app requires even without doing much, if any, changes.

Thanks a lot to everyone who ever contributed to this app!

#selfhosted

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ma1w4re@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 17:37 next collapse

OH NO, I hope the fork will continue for a bit otherwise I’m so cooked 🥶🥶🥶

original_reader@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 21:00 collapse

Agreed. Horrible news.

Hoping Syncthing-Fork will continue.

makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml on 20 Oct 17:44 next collapse

Oh my goodness! Syncthing without Android leaves me screwed. My whole digital life revolves around it.

sunbunman@sh.itjust.works on 20 Oct 21:05 next collapse

Mine too!

imsodin@infosec.pub on 20 Oct 21:44 collapse

Oh don’t worry to much, mine too: If there wasn’t an alternative for syncthing on android, I might have kept it on lifesupport :)

fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc on 20 Oct 22:08 next collapse

What is this alternative of which you speak?

BearOfaTime@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 22:32 next collapse

Only one I can think of is Resilio, but it’s hard on RAM and battery for large folders.

bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 20 Oct 23:38 next collapse

And I don‘t know what‘s going on with them. There weren’t any updates for years, now there is a design overhaul, no new features and suddenly they want me to register. Duck

fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc on 21 Oct 01:59 collapse

It’s been forever since I looked at resilio so this may be an unfair appraisal but… I seem to remember it’s one of those OSS projects that feels a lot more like free tier commercial software. Do you think that’s the case or nah?

Honestly just a dumb rsync client would be enough for me.

iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 00:54 collapse

Syncthing-fork. Both show if you search for Syncthing in fdroid. Since imsodin seems to be OP Dev maintainer for Syncthing, i think he is referring to the fork.

fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc on 21 Oct 02:54 collapse

Ooh.

Thanks.

I’ve been running the fork for a long time but somehow figured it was a soft-fork and maybe not really viable without upstream development from syncthing.

Now @imsodin@infosec.pub 's comments are making a lot more sense.

This whole thing is more or less a non-issue then?

Caboose12000@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 05:09 collapse

not quite
<img alt="Screenshot of Syncthing-fork’s github readme that says "About Play Store releases: Planning to close my Google Play Developer Account. Please say hi if you are interested in obtaining the latest gplay release files from me to help in publishing this app. "" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/00c189cf-c1a9-49c8-8431-0b93c9b20e3a.jpeg">

Atemu@lemmy.ml on 21 Oct 03:12 collapse

What’s the history behind this? Why could the changes be done upstream, necessitating a fork?

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 17:33 collapse

Sounds like the original maintainer is tired of maintaining it, and the amount of community support wasn’t enough to justify continuing to put in the effort. And then Google’s packaging process pushed it over the edge, hence retiring the project.

The fork is just another person deciding to take up maintenance of the project.

Atemu@lemmy.ml on 21 Oct 19:06 collapse

I know that part.

The other fork has existed for a long while.

AMillionMonkeys@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 17:44 next collapse

Well that’s a shame. I’m sort of half-assedly using syncthing to backup my photos from my phone to my server, but mostly I rely on immich. I never really got the hang of using syncthing with my phone.

Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com on 20 Oct 18:08 next collapse

I also use SynctThing for backing up. Android has such terrible options. At least I have my data if things go south.

This is the first app I installed when I got my new phone and will have a home here until it throws errors.

Thanks for your hard work devs!

BearOfaTime@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 22:55 collapse

It’s stupid easy to setup, even has a built-in photo backup job.

I use Syncthing-Fork because it moves all the sync conditions into each job.

So my photos sync regardless of charging state or network (I’m willing to pay for the data to ensure photos are instantly synced). While other things only sync while on WiFi and charging (e.g. Neobackup).

xodoh74984@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 17:53 next collapse

This is sad. Google Play should never hold this much weight in the self hosted community. For Android users dedicated to open source software, F-Droid is the target.

I don’t think SyncThing users would have much issue with the app disappearing from Google. Doing away with Google is the goal.

absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz on 20 Oct 18:47 next collapse

The problem is not “Syncthing users” it is the others that we bring along with us.

I already have F-Droid on my phone, but the dozen others that I have promoted Syncthing to over the years do not. This is going to cause a bunch of problems.

This is much more important than what you portray here.

tychosmoose@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 18:55 next collapse

That and the shrinking ability to grant access to device storage. If that becomes an option only on rooted phones (which seems like the directly Google is heading) it will make the audience for such an app much smaller.

BearOfaTime@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 21:26 next collapse

And yet Resilio can access a lot more than ST, even without root.

can@sh.itjust.works on 20 Oct 21:27 collapse

If google heads that way I’ll head somewhere else.

bilb@lem.monster on 21 Oct 04:55 collapse

To apple? Linux phone experience is just trash.

LiveLM@lemmy.zip on 21 Oct 09:34 next collapse

This is my currently dilemma.
Each year Android becomes more restrictive like iOS with none of the benefits, Rooting becomes harder as more apps tap into the Play Integrity API (and strong Integrity is on the way to kill most workarounds for it), iPhone got a little better but is still locked down as fuck, where the hell do I go to? 😒

NostraDavid@programming.dev on 21 Oct 18:39 collapse

LineageOS, maybe? Still Android, but (AFAIK) more open to change than standard Android.

LiveLM@lemmy.zip on 21 Oct 21:24 collapse

I’ve been using custom ROMs for a while now, but the reality is that they can only do so much to stop Android’s ever increasing restrictions.
And the aforementioned Integrity API also detects unlocked bootloaders, meaning this will gradually become more of a problem.

can@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 15:12 collapse

Realistically I have no where to go and that’s the problem. iOS is even more locked down.

t_378@lemmy.one on 21 Oct 04:35 collapse

The point you raise reminds me of when Signal dropped SMS support, after my efforts to convert all the non techie people in my life over to it. So sad when it happens…

absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz on 21 Oct 04:57 next collapse

I was reminded of the same thing.

NostraDavid@programming.dev on 21 Oct 18:36 collapse

So sad when it happens…

I don’t follow - do people still seriously use SMS? I for one try to use it as little as possible.

CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 20 Oct 20:30 next collapse

As much as I want to use F-Droid, my work blocks all third party app stores so it’s either have access to my work stuff on one phone (via profiles) or dual wield two phones.

I lack the patience to dual wield again. It’s very annoying.

derin@lemmy.beru.co on 20 Oct 23:40 next collapse

I’m annoyed to see you getting down voted - I had a similar issue years ago with my work MacBook (couldn’t run a custom WM because any modification to the Finder was blocked without putting the machine into “unsafe” mode).

I love OSS, but without a verifiable way to distribute it large swaths of the workforce won’t be able to use it.

F-Droid is great, but sadly it isn’t enough.

CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Oct 01:15 collapse

I was today years old when I learned that you can run a custom WM on a Mac.

That’s like…the equivalent of a coca cola soda machine dispensing Pepsi.

And in terms of down votes, I don’t really care too much. It evens out overtime.

derin@lemmy.beru.co on 21 Oct 10:22 collapse

Yep, check out yabai.

CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Oct 11:04 collapse

Thank you but I don’t run a Mac. I used to back in the day. I just know how anal Apple is about people using their devices in any way that they don’t specifically want you to.

Atemu@lemmy.ml on 21 Oct 03:14 collapse

Is this your personal phone? If your work were to dictate what you are allowed to install on your personal phone, that’d be a serious overstepping of bounds.

Perhaps you can sneak in f-droid via adb install and give it app installation permissions via ADB though.

bilb@lem.monster on 21 Oct 04:57 next collapse

If “your” phone belongs to your employer that’s the choice you made. It isn’t yours.

CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Oct 08:39 collapse

My primary phone belongs to my work. I get a stipend every two years that essentially allows me to buy any supported phone I want.

The conditions are that it’s managed by them via MDM and all my work stuff is on the work profile side.

It is a choice I make since it allows me to not carry two phones. I did that for the first two years at my company and it was annoying.

fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc on 20 Oct 22:09 next collapse

They said somewhere that the play store thing is not the reason, it’s just one of the more recent issues.

interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml on 21 Oct 12:52 collapse

They’re a cloud company, their mission statement is to eradicate us. It’s like IT trying to stamp out shadow IT.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 17:53 next collapse

Hoping it remains viable for a long time without updates. Syncing my KeePass database is really key for me. I need to fluidly add and read passwords from at least 3 devices.

stepan@lemmy.cafe on 20 Oct 18:04 next collapse

With today’s BitWarden drama, I planned to use KeePass with SyncThing for like an hour before seeing this :(((

Contort3860@links.hackliberty.org on 20 Oct 18:07 next collapse

Got any links to the bitwarden drama? I missed it.

1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 18:11 next collapse

phoronix.com/…/Bitwarden-Open-Source-Concerns

Contort3860@links.hackliberty.org on 20 Oct 18:41 collapse

Thanks for that. Looks like I’ll be keeping an eye out for replacements just in case.

silkroadtraveler@lemmy.today on 20 Oct 18:19 collapse

Bitwarden’s last update made the iOS categorically worse and impacted the Pin unlock functionality on Linus desktop. Guess I’m migrating to Proton’s offering along with the rest of their suite. Hope they don’t go down the enshittification rabbit hole anytime soon.

Contort3860@links.hackliberty.org on 20 Oct 18:42 next collapse

That sucks. But I think this is specifically about their open source licensing.

mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 03:09 collapse

Hope they don’t go down the enshittification rabbit hole anytime soon.

Apparently they’re transitioning to a non-profit business model

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml on 20 Oct 19:12 collapse

I use bitwarden. Are they not good anymore? Data Breach?

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 20 Oct 19:18 next collapse

I too use Bitwarden, self-hosted. What’s up with Bitwarden? I haven’t heard anything (other than some of the Keypass master race sometimes throwing dirt at it).

JustMarkov@lemmy.ml on 20 Oct 19:33 collapse

Desktop Bitwarden app is not open-source anymore.

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 20 Oct 19:35 collapse

Thanks. I guess it’s about time for me to start looking at being part of the master race crowd then. I appreciate the link.

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 20 Oct 19:42 collapse

They couldn’t take the heat in Github 🤣

rozlav@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 20 Oct 20:52 collapse

Here you go lemmy.ndlug.org/post/1268531

absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz on 20 Oct 18:48 next collapse

This is one of the many things I use Syncthing for.

Petter1@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 19:52 next collapse

Is webDAV not good enough for that? I use keepass via webDAV feature of the nextcloud (I know some think it is bloated) but I guess there are other lightweight webDAV solutions…

DrDystopia@lemy.lol on 20 Oct 20:08 collapse

I’ve used both. NC android app doesn’t sync and one needs to host the entire platform. When using generic webDAV one still needs a dedicated sync solution.

I self host NC and still prefer SyncThing for keeping my KeePass database updated and fresh across devices.

Petter1@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 20:17 collapse

I see, my app that I use for keepass has integrated webDAV sync where I can point it to a keepass file on the webDAV server (strongbox iOS) I just thought android keepass apps should have such feature as well.

The iOS app of NC is slow as well, and not good enough for using to sync keepass files, but the Linux app seems to be good enough.

And yea, just learned, that sync thing apparently works without a server but all P2P? That is 100% killer feature 😃👌🏻

2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de on 20 Oct 20:28 next collapse

IIRC Keepass2Android does have that feature.

DrDystopia@lemy.lol on 21 Oct 03:55 collapse

Fair point. Does it cache the database for when one’s of the grid?

2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de on 21 Oct 12:30 collapse

Yup!

DrDystopia@lemy.lol on 21 Oct 21:02 collapse

The NC app (and DAVx5 contacts and calendar sync for that matter) do provide a WebDAV mount point on android so I suppose I could access content directly. And someone mentioned there’s DAV support in some clients as well. Perhaps I’m just overly worried about losing access, with Syncthing the files are on my device no matter if my self-hosted home solution or internet goes down.

But the no-server cloud function of Syncthing is absolutely a killer feature. And very important as a simple and easy privacy solution for inexperienced users IMO. I was hoping for a better windows solution, not a deprecation of device support.

Speaking of servers, I also run a Syncthing server so I can sync files without having two user devices online at the same time. Syncthing natively support encryption at rest (files on disk) so it satisfies my absolute demand of never storing unencrypted personal files on a server. Even if the server is disk encrypted, in my own home and only accessibly through VPN…

Encrypted password database in encrypted storage on an encrypted storage only accessibly by encrypted connection via an encrypted connection… Maybe I’m overdoing it. Who am I kidding, I’d get a rottweiler to guard my home server if I could.

iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 00:58 next collapse

The way i understand it, this stops maintenance for Syncthing, but Syncthing-fork in fdroid will continue its development and support as usual. Both show if you do a Syncthing search in fdroid. The fork is more up to date with features.

bastion@feddit.nl on 21 Oct 12:13 collapse

Syncthing-fork on fdroid.

Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 17:54 next collapse

Just got into using Syncthing for my home network, was thinking I should add it to my phone. Makes sense it dies the instant I consider it

1984@lemmy.today on 20 Oct 18:19 next collapse

Lol, I was also looking at installing it last weekend.

I guess this thing is on the same connection as my stock choices.

Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 18:45 collapse

My advice is to be less like me

It seems to be working for other people

DrDystopia@lemy.lol on 20 Oct 20:10 next collapse

Consider yourself lucky, I feel the pain of seeing the end of years of a loving relationship.

MiltownClowns@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 21:32 next collapse

this is your fault.

Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 21:35 collapse

I’m a fucking albatross, I know… Or whatever that sailor’s curse bird is I forget. A crested wank.

iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 00:59 collapse

rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com on 20 Oct 18:02 next collapse

Cool, now I have to find something else to sync my Obsidian vault to my phone. It just worked! Fuck. =____=

[deleted] on 20 Oct 18:33 next collapse

huskypenguin@sh.itjust.works on 20 Oct 19:00 next collapse

Check out resilio.

MalReynolds@slrpnk.net on 20 Oct 23:04 collapse

As noted elsewhere Syncthing-Fork is still going strong, and a drop-in replacement, it’s on F-Droid.

kratoz29@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 01:35 collapse

Do you know if I need to reconfigure my folders?

I guess if the transition is not smooth there is still time for them to adapt something until the very end…

On another hand, it seems like we all deposited all our eggs in one basket huh?

I really can’t think of many Synching replacements… Even when I know there are a few.

MalReynolds@slrpnk.net on 21 Oct 02:36 collapse

Not sure, but it is still active with like 80 contributors. It’s much the same as the original with a couple of extra features and more languages, so transition should be minimally painful, maybe even export - import level. I’ve been using it for years as I saw the original wasn’t very active, but they’re pretty much (essential) feature complete and stable, which is good. Apparently, google thinks that’s bad.

Courantdair@jlai.lu on 21 Oct 04:26 collapse

Just made the transition, couldn’t be easier. Export, import, profit

MalReynolds@slrpnk.net on 21 Oct 04:40 collapse

Great to hear!

P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br on 20 Oct 18:03 next collapse

Out of the loop. What is this app for?

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 20 Oct 18:06 next collapse

Syncing things

Syncthing is application that sync folders across devices. This was the mobile version

Prunebutt@slrpnk.net on 20 Oct 18:07 next collapse

It’s a very convenient app to sync files between your devices. It’s cro-platform and doesn’t require any registrations.

Many people (me included) use it to sync their password databases.

gedaliyah@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 18:54 collapse

It’s a very stable, reliable, local, cross-platform file syncing that is pretty easy to set up. Basically, it allows you to have a shared folder (or folders) on multiple devices without using Google Drive, OneDrive, iCloud, etc.

solidgrue@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 18:09 next collapse

For the F-droid enabled users, it seems there’s a Syncthing app in the Termux repos:

~ $ apt show syncthing
Package: syncthing
Version: 1.28.0
Maintainer: @termux
Installed-Size: 26.4 MB
Homepage: https://syncthing.net/
Download-Size: 7857 kB
APT-Sources: https://packages.termux.dev/apt/termux-main stable/main aarch64 Packages
Description: Decentralized file synchronization

iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 01:01 next collapse

Also a fork that has been ongoing for years, syncthing-fork.

IllNess@infosec.pub on 21 Oct 02:36 next collapse

Yeah, seems like this is what some people are using. They said you can use Tasker to run it in the background.

So is this the same as installing on the desktop? Run the service and then http to home to configure?

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 21 Oct 05:47 collapse

Does systemd for daemons work on Android?

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 21 Oct 05:46 collapse

Holy shit. I can use apt to install packages on my phone securely?? Please tell me more

solidgrue@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 14:39 collapse

Termux (on F-droid) is a userland environment that runs on top of your Android device’s kernel. It has Debian/Ubuntu-like package management system that pulls from repos maintained by the termux team. If the package is available for aarch64, its probably available in the termux repos. Its not so much of an app as it is an alternate userland that runs on top of the same kernel, but can interact with Android a couple of different ways.

The main Termux app gets you a basic command line environment with the usual tools included in a headless Linux install. From there you can select your preferred repos, do package updates, installs, etc, just like on a desktop or laptop. You could even install a desktop environment and use RDP to access it.

Then there are some companion apps that are useful:

Termux:boot is like a primitive rc.d feature that executes upon boot up any scripts found in the termux ~/.termux/boot directory. You could use the feature to launch an SSH server, or perhaps start your syncthing service when the phone starts up.
Termux:Tasker is a Tasker plugin that allows Tasker to launch scripts in .termux/tasker based on whatever triggers or profiles you define in Tasker. For example, stop or start selected services when connected to your home WiFi
Termux:API is a set of termux utilities to interact with the Android API, and do things like send messages, interact with the camera or battery, and manipulate system settings.

So you could install the syncthing package in Termux and (after setting up Termux access for your internal storage) configure it to sync folders from your phone to wherever syncthing syncs. You’d set up a start script under Termux:boot to launch it when your phone starts, or Tasker to start/stop the service on your home WiFi.

gedaliyah@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 18:20 next collapse

Oh No! This is terrible news. This IMHO is one of the most irreplaceable projects out there. I don’t know of another cross-platform local file syncing app that comes anywhere close to this. I hope that it can continue even if it’s not through the Play Store.

Google seems to be torpedoing open source developments with a number of decisions lately. Maybe they see F-Droid as a threat now that EU is making them open competition? Maybe they just don’t care.

TrippyHippyDan@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 18:34 next collapse

oof. All I can do is thank you for the hard work that anybody’s put into this, and I’m sad to see it go because I’ve been using this with my keypass for probably about a year now.

Really hoping the Graphene OS lawsuit allows for some Options to open up again!

quaff@lemmy.ca on 20 Oct 18:48 collapse

Can you share what lawsuit you’re referring to? 🙏

TrippyHippyDan@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 19:50 collapse

Looks like they still haven’t launched it yet. They just mentioned they would in this Ars Technica article.

arstechnica.com/…/loss-of-popular-2fa-tool-puts-s…

xePBMg9@lemmynsfw.com on 20 Oct 18:43 next collapse

Not sure I understand the reasoning for discontinuing. Google standing in the way? Not enough f-droid users benefiting from it? It didn’t see development cause it was already feature complete?

lud@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 22:01 collapse

As they said the app needs ongoing maintenance.

MrMcGasion@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 18:43 next collapse

I’ve been using Syncthing-Fork (on F-Droid) for the extra features it has. I wonder if that developer will be able to continue.

rozlav@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 20 Oct 20:59 next collapse

Somene asked in an issue about this subject, maybe answers are gonna be posted here : github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android/…/1149

original_reader@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 20:59 collapse

I just installed that on your recommendation.

Hoping for the best.

Here the link for anyone who wants to check it out.

paperd@lemmy.zip on 20 Oct 18:45 next collapse

There is an android native GUI for syncthing in fdroid that looks like its still maintained: github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android?tab=readm…

Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it on 20 Oct 19:02 next collapse

@paperd @chaospatterns Yeah, this is the one I'm currently using. I have my pictures automatically synced to my laptop, and (in the other direction) an audiobooks directory on my laptop automatically synced to my phone.

rozlav@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 20 Oct 20:58 collapse

Somene opened an issue about it, maybe answers are gonna be posted here : github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android/…/1149

RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de on 20 Oct 19:03 next collapse

Any news about the fork of it? github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android-fdroid

rozlav@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 20 Oct 20:58 collapse

Somene opened an issue about it, maybe answers are gonna be posted here : github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android/…/1149

Harimau@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 23:08 collapse

We got an answer. Catfriend1 <3

github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android/…/1149#is…

rozlav@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Oct 07:10 collapse

Ok, so it seems everyone will migrate to it I guess ? I was already using it, maybe someone will post it here and on syncthing forum I guess.

justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 20 Oct 19:09 next collapse

Oh boy, just wanted to get into it. Damn sad, not of course understandable, the developers are only humans as well

iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 01:04 collapse

justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Oct 09:16 collapse

Ah thanks for the info.

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 20 Oct 19:13 next collapse

This is going ro leave a shit-ton of people dead in the water.

blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io on 20 Oct 19:31 next collapse

The app is not going to suddenly stop working, and it's unlikely to do so before a replacement appears.

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 20 Oct 19:33 collapse

Oh, yeah, he did mention there’s another update for December. But it’s still an issue for many people. Moving to privacy is convoluted enough, it’s even rougher when you have to forcibly change your streamlines.

iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 01:02 collapse

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 21 Oct 01:10 collapse

In all honesty, I had no idea about the fork. I really appreciate the information. Time to take it for a spin. Do you know if I can import the settings from the original one on the fork?

el_abuelo@programming.dev on 21 Oct 06:10 collapse

Yes you can. I just did it without any issues.

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 21 Oct 11:13 collapse

Sweet. Thanks.

Edit: It’s not working for me on GrapheneOS Android 15 Beta. Can’t start anything because of how it’s displaying.

el_abuelo@programming.dev on 21 Oct 11:47 collapse

Never used GrapheneOS. Did it export and import okay? Looks like not.

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 21 Oct 17:45 collapse

Oh, that’s the thing. Since the menu and settings are showing so high up, they are no accepting the touch commands. I exported from the original app, but the fork just won’t work. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling to no avail. I’ll stay in the original Syncthing for now and try again once it stops getting maintained. Thanks anyways for all the info.

el_abuelo@programming.dev on 21 Oct 19:57 collapse

That’s a bugger! Maybe report it as an issue on their github so you can track when it’s fixed?

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 22 Oct 04:26 collapse

Yeah, I’ll take some time to do that over the weekend. Thanks. Love the handle by the way. Grandpa 😁

Moonrise2473@feddit.it on 20 Oct 19:14 next collapse

Does anyone know why it was forked and the fork got all the improvements while the official app is in the exact same state of when it was launched years ago?

It was because all the proposals got rejected?

Because if he rejected all the improvements I don’t really understand why he’s saying “nobody wants to help development”

imsodin@infosec.pub on 20 Oct 21:48 collapse

It’s all in the open, you can go dig around for reasons. As usual there wasn’t a single simple one. Neither was it some kind of complete fallout, we e.g. collaborated on translations and I have been in contact around various things with the one that forked.

rpla@masto.es on 20 Oct 21:20 next collapse

@chaospatterns

Lo he estado usando en dos dispositivos para sincronizar bóvedas de Obsidian y su funcionamiento era un poco errático.
Después de los últimos problemas, lo tenía inactivo a la espera de una nueva configuración, un proceso que me parece tedioso e innecesariamente complejo. Cuando menos poco amigable.
Mientras tanto estaba usando el cable USB para volcar los archivos en el PC.
Ahora quizás tendré que buscar otro sincronizador para Android?
Android no me gusta. ¿Por qué fracasó el Linux para Tablets?

Quiero mi Tablet y mi teléfono con Linux.

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 21 Oct 01:25 next collapse

A mi me funciona a la perfección desde el primer día. Tengo un servidor donde está toda la data que quiero sincronizada, también en mi celular, laptop y PC. Honestamente funciona fenomenal. ¿Que es lo que era errático? Me causa curiosidad.

rpla@masto.es on 21 Oct 12:04 collapse

@jjlinux

Pues en determinadas ocasiones se conectaba, en otras no. Siempre se trataba de un vuelco de archivos, que normalmente elaboraba en el dispositivo móvil y volcaba en una carpeta de 'entrada' para luego distribuirlos en los directorios apropiados de la bóveda de Obsidian.
La verdad es que sopechaba que no lo tenía bien configurado y por eso, la ultima vez que me falló lo dejé para tomar un tiempo en revisar la configuración.
Encuentro tambien dificultad con los nombres de dispositivos, una serie de números excesivamente larga que debería oder abreviarse con un alias: "MiTablet", o algo sí.
Si os va tan bien a todos, es posible que está haciendo algo mal. Tenía pendiente estudiar el tema más a fondo. Ahora no sé si hacerlo. ¿El comunicado signfica que desaparece de Google Play y sigue en F-Droid? Creo que decía que dejaba de actualizarlo porque sin Gogle-Play no le resulta rentable.
En fin, quizás es el momento de buscar otra solución similar o seguir con el cable. .(

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 21 Oct 17:51 collapse

Parece que es terminal para todo. La persona que le da mantenimiento solo va a hacer una última actualización en Diciembre (al menos eso dice) pero igual hay una bifurcacion del original mejor mantenida qué si esta en F-droid y en github.

La verdad es que a mi me dio mucho trabajo adaptarme a como funciona Syncthing, pero cuando al fin lo entendí, superó fácil. El tema con los ID de los folders y los dispositivos es que es mucho más seguro tenerlos así, ya que uno puede equivocarse con nombre y/o fallas al escribir, esto ayuda a reducir las posibilidades de errores.

glaber@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 23:17 collapse

Igual te interesa echarle un ojo a postmarketOS. Están haciendo un sistema operativo para teléfonos forkeado directamente de Alpine Linux, en vez de AOSP

BearOfaTime@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 21:30 next collapse

I can only hope the company makes the iOS client (Möbius) decides they need syncthing to continue and decide to get behind it.

As I recall, they use Syncthing as a solution in their business, this would be a big-break for them.

mobiussync.com

Moonrise2473@feddit.it on 20 Oct 21:56 collapse

It says “unlimited file sync is a $5 in-app unlock” so I’m guessing they can make money. Main problem is the apple developer fees that will eat the profit of the first 25 sales each year

BearOfaTime@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 22:25 collapse

Maybe I’m misremembering, but I thought they used Syncthing as part of a business not directly related to Möbius - as a vendor supplying data management solutions to other companies. I suspect Möbius came out of need for their clients.

I can picture the vendor website in my head, just wish I could remember who it was for sure.

I would eagerly pay for syncthing, it’s that important to me. I keep hundreds of gigs moving around using it. It’s on my annual donate list already, but clearly that’s insufficient.

Maybe the Syncthing-Fork dev will keep it going.

iOS is already more restricted on app sandboxes, and Möbius can handle it in the paid version.

On Android, Resilio somehow has more file access than Syncthing, even without root (it can read/write to either SD card root, while Syncthing can only write to a subfolder of SD0, and can’t write anywhere of an external SD). So there’s something going on.

GBU_28@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 21:35 next collapse

Literally set up a home Nas and syncthing last week.

What’s a good alternative for Android?

MalReynolds@slrpnk.net on 20 Oct 23:08 collapse

Syncthing-Fork (F-Droid)

GBU_28@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 23:34 collapse

Is it well supported with a long term roadmap? Or are there other software one should consider for a 12month range commitment

MalReynolds@slrpnk.net on 21 Oct 02:36 collapse

imsodin@infosec.pub on 20 Oct 21:54 next collapse

I am not the creator, funnily that is/was one of the Lemmy creators: Nutomic :)
I am a syncthing co-maintainer that kept the android app on life support since a while.

Harimau@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 23:03 next collapse

Thank you for all of your hard work!

Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Oct 06:28 next collapse

THANK you for the hard work! Your app is part of my phone photo and appdata backup.

Side question: Will you continue with a fork for f-droid?

imsodin@infosec.pub on 21 Oct 07:00 collapse

As the statement says I wont - it will be fully discontinued. This statement applies to the official app only. It doesn’t say anything about other apps or forks - any existing once can and hopefully will continue to exist. Also all the code is free.

Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Oct 07:56 next collapse

Sad to hear but my point still stands: Thank you very much for your work.
Any recommendation for an Android fork or any other way to make it work on mobile without an app (if that’s even possible)

dan@upvote.au on 21 Oct 17:00 collapse

In that case, could the syncthing-fork app be renamed to syncthing, now that it’ll probably be the main Android app for Syncthing?

ultrahamster64@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 10:38 next collapse

Thank you for your work!!!

uis@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 18:00 collapse

funnily that is/was one of the Lemmy creators: Nutomic :)

Plot twist

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 20 Oct 21:56 next collapse

I’ve always just used Folder Sync + an ssh server, if people are looking for alternatives.

BearOfaTime@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 22:31 collapse

That takes a lot more effort.

With Syncthing, I don’t have to setup a server, poke holes in my firewall/expose ports, etc.

Plus Foldersync is way harder on battery, I’ve experimented a lot.

And I’ve used Foldersync since at least 2010 - it’s great, really has it’s uses.

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 20 Oct 22:52 collapse

Plus Foldersync is way harder on battery, I’ve experimented a lot.

This is very configuration dependant. With an aggressive schedule checking a large number of files, it certainly can use a lot of battery; but I’ve had it setup to sync my entire device to my server a couple times a day, while also monitoring/syncing images immediately on creation/change. It doesn’t even register on androids battery usage monitor as it uses so little power.

Anyway; just listing an option for people to look at

BearOfaTime@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 23:05 collapse

It definitely gets better once it’s all caught up.

But it’s still much harder on battery than ST when folders have changes.

It’s kind of not Foldersync’s fault, it’s really because of the protocols - it’s all connection-based, and FS has to compare each file at sync time.

Syncthing keeps an index so it knows what files have changed. Very different tools with different use-cases and approaches.

I used FS for years until I found ST, and had to do a lot more tweaking to get sync to work the way I wanted with FS. FS doesn’t have sync conditions like ST, so I had to use Macrodroid to trigger it when on WiFi, for example.

FS can be a solution, it’s just a lot more work for anything beyond basics.

fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc on 20 Oct 22:21 next collapse

God this is sad.

The parts of tech that are useful and elegant are contracting, while subscriptions and ads just get more obnoxious.

Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee on 20 Oct 22:27 next collapse

I’ve installed it from F-droid but still. Fuck google. They really do need breaking up.

I heavily rely on Syncthing. Does anyone know what the outlook is for Syncthing-fork, or what the likelihood is of someone taking on maintenance of this version?

iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 01:00 next collapse

Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 16:26 collapse

Peachy. Sounds like there’s nothing to worry about then (from a user POV).

dan@upvote.au on 21 Oct 17:01 collapse

Good idea to send donations to the syncthing-fork devs to keep it alive though.

Auli@lemmy.ca on 21 Oct 11:47 collapse

Yah I mean the notice for the storage access has only been five years. How can they do that.

MSids@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 23:21 next collapse

I used it on an Android DAP to sync my music collection from my NAS after giving up on Folder sync due to its issues with new file detection breaking after a daylight savings time change. Synching was definitely more reliable but it takes ages to do the scan.

flop_leash_973@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 00:11 next collapse

Phones are becoming less and less interesting by the day.

Once they get to the point were all of the options that don’t require incredibly inconvenient sacrifices in functionality to maintain the interesting stuff like a video game console then that will kill interest in the market for me.

If I can’t do anything besides basic smart phone crap I might as well just buy whatever has a good camera once every half decade or so and be done with it. So whatever top end thing Samsung or Apple are putting out.

I’m not sure Google has fully thought through what it means to just be a worse version of what Apple puts out, but with more ads.

nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br on 21 Oct 04:45 next collapse

You will lose interest in the market, but will keep buying? Did I misunderstand something?

Koarnine@pawb.social on 21 Oct 08:54 collapse

I think goes from obsession to possesion maybe, ur kinda tied to a phone for a lot of services these days and 5 years is at least more reasonable than every year or 2

nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br on 21 Oct 12:26 collapse

You’re right, and if we think about it, companies are well aware of that, and that’s why they don’t care for offering anything beyond the basic and walled experience, because we will buy anyway.

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 21 Oct 05:40 next collapse

Just let me run Qubes OS on my phone already and all the problems are solved.

chiliedogg@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 09:17 next collapse

Smartphone design is mostly a solved problem. Take today’s screens and processors and throw in a few features from the past (removable storage, IR blaster, and headphone jack) and you have a 10-year phone.

I used to get a new phone every year because phone got way better each generation.

My phone is top-tier from 2021 (Z Fold 3), and I have had zero temptation from the newer versions. All they really have is faster processing, but since all apps are designed to run well on budget phones from 5 years ago, there’s no reason to upgrade.

sxan@midwest.social on 21 Oct 13:20 collapse

since all apps are designed to run well on budget phones from 5 years ago, there’s no reason to upgrade.

5 years, maybe, but any more is stretching it. And not getting system upgrades anymore is problematic. Unless you own a particular model of phone, de-Googled Android can be hard to come by.

For example, I have a 7-year old Pixel C. By the time Google stopped using system updates for it, I wasn’t wanting them as every release made the device slower and more unstable. After some effort, I was finally able to install a version of Lineage, which itself has problems including no updates in years. There’s a lot of software that is incompatible with my device, both from Aurora and FDroid.

Android isn’t Linux; Google doesn’t care about maintaining backward compatability on old devices, much less performance, and there’s no army of engineers making sure it is because there’s a served running in walled-up closet no one can find.

Google deprecates features and ABIs in Android, apps update and suddenly aren’t backwards compatible.

5 years, maybe. The entire industry is addicted to users upgrading their phones, and everyone gets a piece of that pie. There’s no actors, except perhaps app developers, who have any interest in keeping old phones running. Telecoms upgrade their wireless network - the internet connection in my 8 y/o car, and half its navigation features, died the day AT&T decided to stop supporting 3G; Phone makers make no money if you don’t buy new phones; and maintaining backwards compatibility costs Google money which they’d rather siphon off to shareholders.

lightnsfw@reddthat.com on 21 Oct 17:11 next collapse

Phone makers make no money if you don’t buy new phones

Maybe they should make a new phone thats desirable then. I’m still running on a phone from 2016 because there’s no modern one that wouldn’t lose me functionality that I use all the time. Anything I buy would be a downgrade.

Petter1@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 17:32 next collapse

😂I upgraded from, I think 6 year old iPhone X, to an refurbished iPhone 12 mini

(Love how it is a fast phone which can be used singlehanded)

Will use it, hopefully until we have a viable Linux alternative 😂 one can dream

sxan@midwest.social on 21 Oct 17:54 collapse

I’m 100% with you. I want a Light Phone with a changeable battery and the ability to run 4 non-standard phone apps that I need to have mobile: OSMAnd, Home Assistant, Gadget Bridge, and Jami. Assuming it has a phone, calculator, calendar, notes, and address book - the bare-bones phone functions - everything else I use on my phone is literally something I can do probably more easily on my laptop, and is nothing I need to be able to do while out and about. If it did that, I would probably never upgrade; my upgrade cycle is on the order of every 4 years or so as is, but if you took off all of the other crap, I’d use my phone less and upgrade less often.

The main issue with phones like the Light Phone is that there are those apps that need to be mobile, and they often aren’t available there.

chiliedogg@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 20:21 collapse

My Galaxy Note 8 is a backup phone. It was a flagship when it launched, yeah. But even so, it’s 7 years old, the last update for it was over 2.5 years ago, and it’s still chugging along like a champion.

sxan@midwest.social on 21 Oct 22:22 collapse

I think Android updates intentionally made the Pixel C slower. It was a noticeable process, up to the point they stopped supporting it. I’d downgrade to an earlier version, but there’s such poor support in Lineage, I’m barely able to run the version that’s on there now.

Such a shame, because it’s still an amazingly beautiful device.

Petter1@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 17:28 collapse

Yea, I want a small linux PC with touch screen, and mobile Internet 🙃 sadly, there seem none to be around with enough battery and enough computing power and a good USB C with working PD and OTG (ideally a alt mode video protocol like hdmi/DP/thunderbolt as well)

One may dream 😂😅

cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de on 21 Oct 02:35 next collapse

Sad day indeed, bitwarden going shady and this.

calmluck9349@infosec.pub on 21 Oct 03:00 collapse

What did bitwarden do??

Atemu@lemmy.ml on 21 Oct 03:09 collapse

lemmy.ndlug.org/post/1268531

smiletolerantly@awful.systems on 21 Oct 05:01 next collapse

Ahh those fuckers.

majestic@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 05:28 next collapse

I think it was made by mistake. They will more likely remove that dependency

486@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 06:14 next collapse

Perhaps the hard dependency was a mistake, but not them moving more and more code to their proprietary library. It appears that their intent is to make the client mostly a wrapper around their proprietary library, so they can still claim to have an open source GPLv3 piece of software. What good is that client if you can only use it in conjunction with that proprietary library, even if you can build it without that dependency?

nadir@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 11:53 next collapse

Instead of open core I’ll call this popular approach “open skin”.

dan@upvote.au on 21 Oct 16:58 collapse

mostly a wrapper around their proprietary library

I’m not familiar with exactly what Bitwarden are doing, but Nvidia are doing something similar to what you described with their Linux GPU drivers. They launched new open-source drivers (not nouveau) for Turing (GTX 16 and RTX 20 series) and newer GPUs. What they’re actually doing is moving more and more functionality out of the drivers into the closed-source firmware, reducing the amount of code they need to open source. Maybe that’s okay? I’m not sure how I feel about it.

ammonium@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 08:42 collapse

Clearly not: github.com/bitwarden/clients/issues/11611#issueco…

catloaf@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 13:24 collapse

That says that it is a bug.

ammonium@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 14:40 collapse

It says the build error is a bug, not the inclusion of proprietary code.

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 17:31 collapse

To be fair, the project page says this:

The password manager SDK is not intended for public use and is not supported by Bitwarden at this stage. It is solely intended to centralize the business logic and to provide a single source of truth for the internal applications. As the SDK evolves into a more stable and feature complete state we will re-evaluate the possibility of publishing stable bindings for the public. The password manager interface is unstable and will change without warning.

So there are two ways this can go:

they complete the refactor and release it as FOSS
they complete the refactor and change the clients to be proprietary

I’m going to stick with them until I see what they do once they complete the refactor.

ammonium@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 19:06 collapse

To be fair? Nowhere are they even suggesting they would release the SDK as FOSS, but they do say their password manager is open source. It seems like they just want a FOSS shell so they can claim it’s open source for but keep their business logic closed source.

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 20:41 collapse

That’s the second way it could go. But given their track record of being FOSS when everyone else was proprietary and keeping the source code available, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see what they do. For now, “we’ll re-evaluate it again once it’s stable” tells me it’s still on the table.

ammonium@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 21:49 collapse

Stable bindings doesn’t mean open source, so I don’t see how that tells you it’s still on the table

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 21:59 collapse

They’re moving a lot of code to this internal core, which means this core is unstable. It’s pretty common for projects to hold off on making code public until it’s reached a certain level of stability. I’m guessing they’re not interested in accepting patches, due to the high level of churn from the dev team. Once that churn dies down, there’s a chance they’ll reconsider and make it FOSS.

I’ve seen this in a number of FOSS projects, and it’s also what I do on my own (I don’t want help until I’m happy with the base functionality).

So that’s why I hold out hope. We’ll see once the churn on that internal SDK repo dies down.

ammonium@lemmy.world on 22 Oct 05:26 collapse

Why go through all the hoops if they are instead just could refuse patches? Open source doesn’t mean open to contributions, look at SQLite for example.

If they had the idea to release this open source they would have said so in clear words by now. They didn’t so I don’t have much hope, unless maybe if they get enough negative publicity to change their mind.

Why does VC need to ruin everything…

Carighan@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 09:47 collapse

I don’t get it.

How is that a problem to people wanting to work on or work with Bitwarden? Or am I misunderstanding the wording on it?

It just seems to say that you cannot rip this SDK out to use it on something else. Which makes sense as far as an internal library goes, at least on the surface?

ammonium@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 19:21 collapse

It doesn’t make sense for an internal library for an open source application, it that case it’s not open source.

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 21 Oct 05:39 next collapse

Who gives a shit about play? How much do I have to pay you to update it in fdroid still?

el_abuelo@programming.dev on 21 Oct 06:09 next collapse

I just installed syncthing-fork from f-droid and it worked flawlessly as far as I can tell:

“Export” in syncthing
Uninstall syncthing
Install syncthing-fork from f-droid
Import in syncthing-fork

stardust@lemmy.ca on 21 Oct 07:01 next collapse

Did it transfer over your folder setups so you don’t need to set it up manually?

el_abuelo@programming.dev on 21 Oct 07:13 collapse

Yes

stardust@lemmy.ca on 21 Oct 08:27 collapse

Awesome! So happy transition is so painless.

Update: Export and import worked perfectly. Device name, device ID, and all folders I was syncing got picked up.

ArtVandelay@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 10:01 next collapse

Ty! Can confirm this worked for me as well.

Unbecredible@lemm.ee on 21 Oct 11:59 next collapse

I feel the existence of an “export” option in a piece of software is noble in this day and age, and I’m so appreciative of it.

It says “look, I don’t WANT you to go to my competitor, but I’m not gonna try to hold your data hostage to prevent it.”

It’s class, as the Scottish would say.

Dasnap@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 13:55 next collapse

I’ve said for a while that platforms that allow you to easily move make me more comfortable using them, and ironically, more likely to stay around.

dan@upvote.au on 21 Oct 16:49 collapse

Open source software doesn’t have a reason to lock you in like proprietary software does :)

More and more proprietary SaaS systems are allowing data exports now, to comply with laws like the GDPR “right to know”. Say what you want about Google and Facebook, but they were the first big companies to start allowing data to be exported before there was any law requiring it - Facebook in 2010 and Google in 2011.

twotonebax@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 14:26 collapse

Thank you for this :)

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NeuronautML@lemmy.ml on 21 Oct 14:45 collapse

Fyi the syncthing-fork guy (catfriend1) who’s still updating has a donating button on F-droid via Liberapay. It’s up to you if your financial situation allows you to donate, but the more of us help the remaining developers for their time, in particular those of us that rely so much on their work, the better off we’ll be. Let’s give them a little motivation to keep working on this.

FYI2 syncthing-fork (as written and confirmed in this thread) has an import button for your folders from syncthing Android.

electronVolt@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 17:52 collapse

PayPal though. Is there another way to donate to this superhero?

NeuronautML@lemmy.ml on 22 Oct 17:16 collapse

I tried looking around but this humble soul doesn’t have much in the way of receiving donations. I suggest contacting him via github.com/Catfriend1 to ask for an alternative and if he gets back to you, share it here for other people who dislike paypal.

electronVolt@sh.itjust.works on 22 Oct 17:37 collapse

Great idea.