WolfLink@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Oct 21:12
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Some of those services are pretty easy to set up, some might be more complicated. You’d have to look around for open source projects for those services and see if you can find ones you like. It will take more time to get it initially set up than to maintain, but expect to fix something that breaks every once in a while.
As for cost, probably like a few hundred to a thousand USD can get a reasonable computer for this. You don’t need a GPU, but want a decent CPU, plenty of RAM, and a LOT of storage. Look for companies auctioning off old servers.
Loosely I’d say expect this project to be a whole hobby.
Looks like most of their services are also foss. Says their cloud service is powered by nextcloud, and pad is powered by Etherpad, upload by Lufi, etc. So, OP could probably just self-host most of these really easily. Hardest one would probably be email. That’s a whole 'nother beast for most. Especially since most residential IPs are blacklisted. You almoat always need to cloud-host that.
My cloud-hosting knowledge is a bit dated, bit I bet there are webhosting places that do the email bit for you, you juat pay the monthly fee to use their auto-gen instance of mailcow or whatever.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 Oct 23:50
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For email, you just pay for a host that will let you use your own domain. It’s usually a lot cheaper than getting a static IP and you can easily switch hosts while keeping your email address.
It’s not really even worth attempting to self host your own outbound email these days. It’s a lot of work getting the big email providers to accept your email and if someone has ever sent spam from your IP address, you are pretty much screwed.
I mean, Email is twofold. Like running the server and getting inbound email: just as easy as all the other services.
Outbound? That shit can be difficult, near impossible on residential. But as outbound mail is kinda “lost” anyway in a privacy sense, I would not feel too bad about using a relay.
shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol
on 14 Oct 21:17
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If you want it done Fast and Good, it will not be done Cheap.
If you want it done Fast and Cheap, it will not be done Good.
If you want it done Good and Cheap, it will not be done Fast.
bigboitricky@lemmy.world
on 14 Oct 21:56
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I’ve got 5 bones and 7 minutes make it work or else get the Gulag treatment
shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol
on 14 Oct 22:56
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Fast and cheap it is.
frog_meister@lemmings.world
on 15 Oct 12:12
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Retards like you honestly shouldn’t be on the internet.
drkt@scribe.disroot.org
on 14 Oct 21:31
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In 2024, we received a total of € 31,743.94
from an average of 201 Disrooters each
month. After spending € 23,827.24, VAT
return of € 2301,00 and Interest on
savings of € 263,36 we were able to add
€ 7,252.80 to our general funds.
Our costs in 2024 went towards
infrastructure - € 4078.61
payment fees - € 915.92
office and team supplies - € 313.71
volunteers fees and wages - € 20,820.00
and our donation to FLOSS projects - € 927,00
If they’re being paid then they’re not volunteers…
Noughtmare@programming.dev
on 16 Oct 13:11
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They are considered volunteers in the Netherlands as long as the compensation is way below market rates. I don’t understand why you think this is a problem.
I mean I don’t know what the implications of this are so I’m not sure what the problem is. What’s to stop an employer from hiring someone, paying them a few bucks an hour and calling them “volunteers”?
The bigger issue is that that’s simply not what a “volunteer” is, by definition.
ITGuyLevi@programming.dev
on 16 Oct 18:10
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I’m kind of with you on this, volunteer has always been something done of a persons own volition without recieving compensation. Even when someone is holding a sign saying “will work for food” they are trying to barter, not voluneer for something.
I think as I get older I just get less willing to accept new uses for existing words. I grew up without a lot of social interaction so I may just not fully understand, or maybe it’s just something that was lost in translation.
Mostly because when someone is trying to use an existing word to mean something new, they are usually trying to manipulate, weaponize, or intentionally conflate it with something else to give people the wrong idea.
As a (unpaid) volunteer of my local mountain bike club, we have to spend a lot of time reeducating the public and politicians that no, slapping pedals on an electric motorcycle does not make it an “ebike”, because that’s what these companies have intentionally convinced them of. That is a device that has a legal classification that includes a 750w/28MPH limit.
muppeth@scribe.disroot.org
on 16 Oct 18:47
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What’s to stop an employer from hiring someone, paying them a few bucks an hour and calling them “volunteers”?
Because most likely would not find volunteers that are ok being paid approx. 170euro a month. Also I think this setting is only applicable to foundations and associations.
Plenty of people do. That’s why minimum wage is a thing.
muppeth@scribe.disroot.org
on 16 Oct 19:05
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Yes and that’s why volunteer fees are nowhere near minimum wage. It’s basically a way to compensate all sort of volunteers helping out non-profits. IMO it’s quite a good system and more of a symbolic then a real pay.
You can easily install most of those services on YUNOhost - in fact I have a bunch of them running on a cheap VPS. All open source. It even comes with email and XMPP out of the box. I had no hosting experience beforehand and I rarely have to touch it these days. I would want more resources if I had 10 people using the whole Nextcloud suite every day but if you wanted to go the VPS route I’m sure you could easily do it for less than €5/month/person. You can run it on your own hardware as well.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml
on 14 Oct 23:34
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Came here to say pretty much the same thing. I basically already host “disroot” services for myself.
muppeth@scribe.disroot.org
on 16 Oct 18:44
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Second that. yunohost is perfect for all in one self hosting solution for small groups. As for hardware requirenments, for 10 peeps you could get away with any VPS (then based on the needs you can check if to upgrade). If you want to self-host on your own hardware most likely a minipc like Hp’s prodesk with 16-32GB RAM would do.
For most of those services, you’re looking at a few days to assemble and set up a server. For email, plan to spend the next month learning and troubleshooting.
You can run all of that on basically any computer. If you have an old desktop, that would work great.
Email often isn’t possible to self host because many ISPs block outbound connections on port 25. But, you can host it on some VPS providers, like DigitalOcean. The IP they give you will almost certainly have a terrible reputation and result in a lot of your mail going into people’s spam folders. So, you’ll have to spend some time contacting IP blacklist providers.
Another option is to host the inbound SMTP servers, and handle outbound through a relay server. I’m not gonna recommend any, because I’m not too familiar with them.
I know a fair bit about running email services, because I created and run port87.com, a fairly new email service. I had to learn a lot about email to build it.
tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden
on 15 Oct 11:44
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Setting up and maintaining the services is one thing. But as soon as you get actual users and want to offer them a good experience, there’s a lot of additional work: writing guides, answering support mails, announce maintenance downtimes before they happen, etc etc. You can start with an old computer in your basement, but maybe the Internet connection is too bad? Are you aware of and equipped against legal risks etc?
There’s more groups like disroot and I think some are looking for volunteers, maybe help them out to see how stuff works before starting over?
Here’s some of the top of my head (all in or around Germany to my knowledge):
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Some of those services are pretty easy to set up, some might be more complicated. You’d have to look around for open source projects for those services and see if you can find ones you like. It will take more time to get it initially set up than to maintain, but expect to fix something that breaks every once in a while.
As for cost, probably like a few hundred to a thousand USD can get a reasonable computer for this. You don’t need a GPU, but want a decent CPU, plenty of RAM, and a LOT of storage. Look for companies auctioning off old servers.
Loosely I’d say expect this project to be a whole hobby.
Looks like most of their services are also foss. Says their cloud service is powered by nextcloud, and pad is powered by Etherpad, upload by Lufi, etc. So, OP could probably just self-host most of these really easily. Hardest one would probably be email. That’s a whole 'nother beast for most. Especially since most residential IPs are blacklisted. You almoat always need to cloud-host that.
My cloud-hosting knowledge is a bit dated, bit I bet there are webhosting places that do the email bit for you, you juat pay the monthly fee to use their auto-gen instance of mailcow or whatever.
For email, you just pay for a host that will let you use your own domain. It’s usually a lot cheaper than getting a static IP and you can easily switch hosts while keeping your email address.
It’s not really even worth attempting to self host your own outbound email these days. It’s a lot of work getting the big email providers to accept your email and if someone has ever sent spam from your IP address, you are pretty much screwed.
I mean, Email is twofold. Like running the server and getting inbound email: just as easy as all the other services.
Outbound? That shit can be difficult, near impossible on residential. But as outbound mail is kinda “lost” anyway in a privacy sense, I would not feel too bad about using a relay.
If you want it done Fast and Good, it will not be done Cheap.
If you want it done Fast and Cheap, it will not be done Good.
If you want it done Good and Cheap, it will not be done Fast.
I’ve got 5 bones and 7 minutes make it work or else get the Gulag treatment
Fast and cheap it is.
Retards like you honestly shouldn’t be on the internet.
Disroot has an annual report which includes financials. disroot.org/en/…/AnnualReport2024.pdf
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In the Netherlands, volunteers can be paid up to €5.60 per hour and up to €2100 per year (tax-free).
If they’re being paid then they’re not volunteers…
They are considered volunteers in the Netherlands as long as the compensation is way below market rates. I don’t understand why you think this is a problem.
I mean I don’t know what the implications of this are so I’m not sure what the problem is. What’s to stop an employer from hiring someone, paying them a few bucks an hour and calling them “volunteers”?
The bigger issue is that that’s simply not what a “volunteer” is, by definition.
I’m kind of with you on this, volunteer has always been something done of a persons own volition without recieving compensation. Even when someone is holding a sign saying “will work for food” they are trying to barter, not voluneer for something.
I think as I get older I just get less willing to accept new uses for existing words. I grew up without a lot of social interaction so I may just not fully understand, or maybe it’s just something that was lost in translation.
Mostly because when someone is trying to use an existing word to mean something new, they are usually trying to manipulate, weaponize, or intentionally conflate it with something else to give people the wrong idea.
As a (unpaid) volunteer of my local mountain bike club, we have to spend a lot of time reeducating the public and politicians that no, slapping pedals on an electric motorcycle does not make it an “ebike”, because that’s what these companies have intentionally convinced them of. That is a device that has a legal classification that includes a 750w/28MPH limit.
Because most likely would not find volunteers that are ok being paid approx. 170euro a month. Also I think this setting is only applicable to foundations and associations.
Plenty of people do. That’s why minimum wage is a thing.
Yes and that’s why volunteer fees are nowhere near minimum wage. It’s basically a way to compensate all sort of volunteers helping out non-profits. IMO it’s quite a good system and more of a symbolic then a real pay.
Brother, that is the problem that I’m trying to highlight…if no one worked for less than minimum wage, no one would need a minimum wage…
Believe it or not, many “non-profits” are not ethical. At least not in the US, I won’t speak to NL or anywhere else.
Those things are not related. You are thinking of wage.
huh?
Where do I join them as IT hands?
I want to volunteer and get paid
You can easily install most of those services on YUNOhost - in fact I have a bunch of them running on a cheap VPS. All open source. It even comes with email and XMPP out of the box. I had no hosting experience beforehand and I rarely have to touch it these days. I would want more resources if I had 10 people using the whole Nextcloud suite every day but if you wanted to go the VPS route I’m sure you could easily do it for less than €5/month/person. You can run it on your own hardware as well.
Came here to say pretty much the same thing. I basically already host “disroot” services for myself.
Yunohost for sure. And start simple. One service
Second that. yunohost is perfect for all in one self hosting solution for small groups. As for hardware requirenments, for 10 peeps you could get away with any VPS (then based on the needs you can check if to upgrade). If you want to self-host on your own hardware most likely a minipc like Hp’s prodesk with 16-32GB RAM would do.
For most of those services, you’re looking at a few days to assemble and set up a server. For email, plan to spend the next month learning and troubleshooting.
You can run all of that on basically any computer. If you have an old desktop, that would work great.
Email often isn’t possible to self host because many ISPs block outbound connections on port 25. But, you can host it on some VPS providers, like DigitalOcean. The IP they give you will almost certainly have a terrible reputation and result in a lot of your mail going into people’s spam folders. So, you’ll have to spend some time contacting IP blacklist providers.
Another option is to host the inbound SMTP servers, and handle outbound through a relay server. I’m not gonna recommend any, because I’m not too familiar with them.
I know a fair bit about running email services, because I created and run port87.com, a fairly new email service. I had to learn a lot about email to build it.
Setting up and maintaining the services is one thing. But as soon as you get actual users and want to offer them a good experience, there’s a lot of additional work: writing guides, answering support mails, announce maintenance downtimes before they happen, etc etc. You can start with an old computer in your basement, but maybe the Internet connection is too bad? Are you aware of and equipped against legal risks etc?
There’s more groups like disroot and I think some are looking for volunteers, maybe help them out to see how stuff works before starting over?
Here’s some of the top of my head (all in or around Germany to my knowledge):
Longer list: Radical Servers
This project should be significantly easier to for folks if you add claude code to your stack. cc is an excellent admin, and server manager.
That sounds like spam. I’ll report just in case.
Less than $100 + a subscription to a VPN with port forwarding.
Buy a used Dell Optiplex from Walmart.
Don’t get suckered into buying small form-factor shit like the Pi unless you, you know, need a reason for it to be small.
How much time?
More than you think.
How much money?
Consult the cheap / fast / reliable chart:
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2b12e236-0c79-49fe-9cbf-e309ab26a082.png">
git.selfprivacy.org/…/selfprivacy.org.app