Cloudflare launches private mesh VPN (Tailscale-like) offering (blog.cloudflare.com)
from dabe@lemmy.zip to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 15 Apr 12:17
https://lemmy.zip/post/62590684

It’s a 10 minute read when it should probably be a 2 minute read, likely due to LLMs fluffing it up (I got that vibe from skimming it). But what do you all think, is there anything in here that would compel you to switch from your current VPN solution to this?

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nymnympseudonym@piefed.social on 15 Apr 12:30 next collapse

This could have been you, Mozilla.

sniff

I wanted so much to believe in you

cheese_greater@lemmy.world on 15 Apr 12:56 next collapse

Is it still too late technically? I dont want to quit on Mozilla

nymnympseudonym@piefed.social on 15 Apr 13:26 collapse

TBH I still donate $5/mo to Mozilla. But only because someone has to fund the upstream development of the browser I actually use (and which arguably is the browser Mozilla was supposed to be)

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 16 Apr 17:35 collapse

Mozilla really should stop burning money

hertg@infosec.pub on 15 Apr 12:41 next collapse

There’s nothing I’d like to do more than let the US internet-monopolizing company handle all my vpn traffic /s But without being snarky, for homelabbing purposes just use wireguard directly, it’s fun and not that hard to handle. Automate peer configurations using Ansible or some other automation tool if it gets hard to manage manually.

wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works on 15 Apr 12:58 next collapse

Finally a reasonable person around here.

wltr@discuss.tchncs.de on 15 Apr 13:01 next collapse

I tried, but I don’t understand how to bypass a cgnat. With Tailscale it just works. Also, I tried Netbird, it’s very similar, and it works well too. I’d love to simplify this, but I have no knowledge at the moment. Would love someone pointing into the right direction.

hertg@infosec.pub on 15 Apr 16:35 collapse

CGNAT and changing IPs make this harder. What I’d consider in this scenario is renting a small vps at a local provider (a tiny/cheap machine is enough). Then use this one as a hop to your network, basically homelab->vps<-client. Here is a post that talks about something like that: taggart-tech.com/wireguard/

I haven’t used this method personally, but I’ve done something similar for incoming web traffic before, when you want to host things behind a CGNAT. You can actually keep all the traffic confidential by having just an L4 proxy on the vps, then the http traffic is still end-to-end encrypted between the client and the service, so you don’t even have to trust the vps provider when it comes to them snooping. They still get some metadata, but not significntly more than the ISPs.

wltr@discuss.tchncs.de on 15 Apr 18:00 next collapse

Thanks. It’s still much more work than I’d like can afford to have at the moment, so I’d stay with what I have for a while. But I have an obsolete Intel Atom machine as a server at work. It’s my personal web and file server, plus Syncthing node. The sysadmin thinks that’s for our website to work. (It’s not used for that at the moment.) I can emulate some for-work things if/when needed, but at this point nobody cares.

Nobody else, including the boss is aware. But I don’t do anything sketchy there. Just a separate offsite node, plus they have some decent power backup system. We did have massive blackouts in winter (I live in Ukraine), and not a single time the server went offline! Bonus thing, they have a static IP.

I’m hesitant to move to something bigger there though, as the future of me with the company is not very clear. I can get a higher position at some point and also replace the sysadmin (he plans to retire at some point). If so, I may move the entire company to completely self-hosted everything. And add a couple of servers to myself. But if not, I don’t know. Perhaps I could use that server till it would die its natural death, even if I’d part with the company. I’d still visit them sometimes.

I wonder whether that’s much better than a cheap VPS. Power wise, I guess it’s the same, it’s really underpowered, two cores, a gigabyte or two of ram, nothing fancy at all.

freebee@sh.itjust.works on 15 Apr 19:40 next collapse

But Tailscale is free, works very easily and reliable and it is set up in minutes. I will only be motivated to look into all that when tailscale isn’t free and reliable anymore… I guess that will eventually happen at sometime in the future.

uzay@infosec.pub on 16 Apr 18:55 collapse

I have done basically that before and it worked. But I find Tailscale with a headscale server easier to manage. Maybe I’ll take a look into selfhosting netbird at some point too.

justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Apr 14:15 next collapse

I’m trying to set up the same at some point. How do you solve the changing IP address problem?

gajahmada@awful.systems on 15 Apr 16:29 next collapse

The simplest would be renting a VPS I think.

I grabbed an Oracle free-tier many moons ago. The x86 one with 4 gig of memory I think? The arm have a much more core and memory but unless you go with Pay As You Go (PAYG) account ( need a one time refundable $100 credit) it’s virtually impossible to grab it.

My free tier account is sufficient as pure VPN for accessing stuff, you get 10 TB/month egress traffic. The downside is it’s Oracle, and you are at their mercy ( they can purge it without notice )

I never tried it because CGNAT but maybe Dynamic DNS could also solve this.

Other than that, Tailscale / CF tunnel etc are a fine solution ( for now )

spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works on 15 Apr 19:23 collapse

If you’re not dealing with CGNAT, Dynamic DNS (DDNS) is relatively easy to set up, doesn’t require a VPS and is designed specifically for dealing with changing IP address endpoints.

Instead of connecting using your (sometimes changing) IP address, you use a URL that dynamically updates when your IP changes. For instance, with DDNS you would access your home network using mynetwork.ddnsservice.com. The DDNS service returns your current IP and your connection can complete. Most routers have built DDNS clients that update the DDNS service when your home IP changes.

There are various DDNS services out there, but I like DuckDNS. It’s free (or you can choose to donate), easy to set up and has worked flawlessly for me for years.

Mordikan@kbin.earth on 15 Apr 14:47 next collapse

Yeah, you can't just use wireguard directly on a home network depending on provider (CGNAT) and you can't just switch providers as most providers are in a non-compete with other providers. So, Cloudflare Mesh or Tailscale is the best option for those.

hertg@infosec.pub on 15 Apr 16:39 collapse

See my comment here, infosec.pub/comment/21363677

dabe@lemmy.zip on 15 Apr 21:50 collapse

I always get so close to just setting up wireguard and being done with it. I barely ever change the devices on my tailnet, anyway.

I do have a couple friends on my tailnet to give access to some stuff, so that might be annoying to migrate. That and Tailscale handling all the other networking stuff I might not even know about like cgnat.

irmadlad@lemmy.world on 15 Apr 13:03 next collapse

I’ve been using Cloudflare’s Tunnel/Zero Trust for a while now and I find it does the job just jammy. I’m not sure I need Mesh, but I will at least familiarize myself with it.

eodur@piefed.social on 15 Apr 13:05 next collapse

The only thing I like about this is the pressure it might put on tailscale to make their offering better.

iamthetot@piefed.ca on 15 Apr 17:55 collapse

How would you improve Tailscale?

eodur@piefed.social on 15 Apr 20:23 next collapse

Off the top of my head: - Bring your own domain for homelab - Gateway/httproute support in Kubernetes operator - allow connecting tailnets to each other - allow connecting to multiple tailnets simultaneously without ridiculous workarounds

dabe@lemmy.zip on 15 Apr 21:55 collapse

Those last two bullets would be huge. I have a personal tailnet and another for my org. Switching between them is just annoying enough that I might even pay for that feature.

forbiddenlake@lemmy.world on 16 Apr 02:37 collapse
  • fix the documentation bug I reported 3 years ago, before it became a problem for stable Linux distributions. Instead of leaving up documentation that literally prevents the client from working and is an even bigger problem for stable distributions now. Yes it’s my pet tiny bug, but how much effort can it really be to rewrite one section with configuration that DOESN’T break the product. I even wrote a suggestion for them.
Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz on 15 Apr 13:10 next collapse

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters More Letters
CF CloudFlare
CGNAT Carrier-Grade NAT
DNS Domain Name Service/System
IP Internet Protocol
NAT Network Address Translation
VPN Virtual Private Network
VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)

6 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 7 acronyms.

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uuj8za@piefed.social on 15 Apr 16:47 next collapse

Nope. I’m trying to move further away from US proprietary tech, not towards it. I’m currently using Tailscale, but I’m looking at moving to Netbird because it’s open source and European.

kia@lemmy.ca on 15 Apr 17:19 collapse

Tailscale is Canadian

uuj8za@piefed.social on 15 Apr 18:54 next collapse

Tailscale is Canadian

Ah, nice. I actually didn’t realize that. They are also open source friendly https://tailscale.com/opensource I don’t hate Tailscale, btw. They seem nice.

But, I like Netbird lets you self-host the server components. And, an important feature for me, is that Netbird doesn’t require me to create an account with Big Tech to use the service. Right now I created a dummy account with GitHub just to use Tailscale, Netbird just allows me to create a username and password. E-Z P-Z. No extra hoops to jump through.

After switching to Netbird, I’ll be able to get completely off of GitHub.

gratux@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 15 Apr 20:29 collapse

headscale, an open-source reimplementation of the tailscale control server, exists. I haven’t tried it myself yet, but it claims to be an option for a fully selfhosted tailscale-compatible network.

puppinstuff@lemmy.ca on 15 Apr 20:47 next collapse

Whoa did not know this, this changes some plans over here.

MrSulu@lemmy.ml on 16 Apr 07:32 collapse

Hopefully also part of Europe soon. Geologically, our land masses were very closely connected, but it was a few years ago.

spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works on 15 Apr 19:48 next collapse

As interesting as this is, users are still subject to the whims of a corporation that can completely change their policies each time a new executive is hired.

There’s a graveyard somewhere for apps and services that were free or low cost (and without ads) until the company decided to change their model to restrict or eliminate free usage. Teamviewer, Dropbox, RealVNC, Google Drive, Amazon Prime (ad free) Videos, Duolingo, Youtube, Zoom and Evernote are examples that lots of individuals use.

I’ve personally been bitten by this often enough to avoid any corporation’s “free” service whenever possible.

motogo@feddit.dk on 15 Apr 22:09 next collapse

Fuck Cloudflare. Hail Bunny CDN and Netbird.io for private networking instead of Tailscale/Headscale/Pangolin .

fubarx@lemmy.world on 16 Apr 03:21 next collapse

Dare you to try explaining all this to your elderly relatives.

4k93n2@lemmy.zip on 16 Apr 06:27 collapse

me: “it makes separate networks seem like they are joined together into a single network”

elderly relative: “like a tv network?”

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 16 Apr 17:36 collapse

This likely will have much better performance than tailscale at the cost of being Cloudflare