mysql or postgresql? Which is better for an Internet-facing application
from Jerry@feddit.online to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 23:52
https://feddit.online/post/259519

Hey, Threadiverse! I’m looking for informed opinions on database choices.

I can stand up an Internet-facing application and have it use either MySQL or PostgreSQL. Which is the better choice, and why do you think so?

Thanks!

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barkingspiders@infosec.pub on 17 Jan 00:00 next collapse

Choosing is not so much about whether it’s internet facing or not. From the programmer’s perspective and an administrator’s perspective there are pros and cons to both. As someone looking to self-host, if you want to run a service that works with either, I would make the choice based on what seems the most supported, or which one you feel the most comfortable looking up and performing administrative tasks on. I tend to use postgresql more just because I have more experience with it and can recommend it if that’s what you need, but mysql can be just as good or better in many circumstances. Pick whichever one looks easier to you.

jeena@piefed.jeena.net on 17 Jan 00:03 next collapse

PostgreSQL is the more feature rich, but if you don't care about all those features like saving and searching in json structures, Geo data structures and a to of other stuff because you have a simple APO then MySQL is good enough, maybe even SQLite.

expr@programming.dev on 17 Jan 13:04 collapse

Its query planner is also much, much more powerful. Like it’s not even close.

There’s hardly any good reason to use MySQL today. Postgres is easier and nicer to work with, with a strong community backing it.

SQLite is completely different from both and has entirely different usecases.

zoostation@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 00:08 next collapse

Postgres is a more robust and better designed and developed product, also it’s not owned by fucking Oracle.

threesigma@lemm.ee on 17 Jan 00:15 next collapse

Postgres also had the advantage of great support for JSON elements, which gives you the power of a no-sql system like mongo in the package. A major selling point if your schema is evolving.

Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me on 17 Jan 00:18 next collapse

As someone that admins hundreds of MySQL at work, I’d go with PostgreSQL.

pageflight@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 01:47 next collapse

Yeah, every time I find some weird annoying behavior or some missing feature in MySQL, PostgreSQL is doing it right.

That said, also ask yourself if you really need a relational database, or whether an object store or append-only / timeseries db would fit better.

shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol on 17 Jan 03:06 collapse

Same.

lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org on 17 Jan 00:25 next collapse

Absolutely depends on what do you want it for and what resources can you apply on it (learning, set-up, etc).

That said, MySQL is owned by Oracle. The more-or-less blessed alternative IIRC is MariaDB.

kalr@meinreddit.com on 17 Jan 00:41 collapse

It’s not My SQL, it’s Orcales.

Earflap@reddthat.com on 17 Jan 01:34 collapse

TheirSQL

CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 05:49 collapse

Who’sSQL?

Forester@pawb.social on 17 Jan 00:32 next collapse

Maria database is free and open source. It uses MySQL format.

sxan@midwest.social on 17 Jan 01:08 next collapse

Maria database is free and open source.

Why are you implying that PostgreSQL isn’t?

emuspawn@orbiting.observer on 17 Jan 01:18 collapse

Well mySQL certainly is not, I judge this to be a correct statement!

sxan@midwest.social on 17 Jan 02:35 collapse

Actually, really good point. Sorry, person-I-responded-to. I thought you (PIRT) were comparing Maria to Postgres, when you (PIRT) were referring to Maria vs MySQL.

Both PostgreSQL and MariaDB are OSS and free; MySQL is covered with cooties and boogers, and you don’t want to get any of it on you.

Forester@pawb.social on 17 Jan 03:00 collapse

Hi, I’m actually the guy you’re trying to respond to but yes that is exactly what I was trying to State

bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de on 17 Jan 05:54 collapse

Maria is MySQL. More specifically it is a fork with many additional features.

undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch on 17 Jan 00:58 next collapse

Another vote for Postgres, MySQL kind of blows.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 01:20 next collapse

The only reason I wouldn’t go with Postgres is if I planned to do other things on the same machine. MariaDB/MySQL has been around forever. You may find something that requires it — Wordpress^1^, for example, requires MariaDB (or MySQL but use MariaDB) and doesn’t support Postgres.

Also, there’s solutions like Docker containers if you are running multiple things on the same server. But if you’re just learning and putting one thing on a Raspberry Pi as a project or whatever, you don’t need to learn Docker yet.

^1^ I’m not recommending Wordpress. It’s ancient and has security issues all the time. But over 40% of sites on the Net still use it in some form. (I mean Wordpress.org, the open source project. The Wordpress company seems to be having some “crazy CEO” drama at the moment.)

friend_of_satan@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 01:55 next collapse

As somebody who just watched a team implement MySQL for an app that only supported Postgres, I’d go with Postgres.

I never want to use MySQL again. Postgres or SQLite for relational databases.

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 17 Jan 02:15 collapse

Ha! My deepest experience with postgres was watching it fall over and wedge daily when run behind red hat’s satellite (the flailing lame foreman one, not spacewalk).

Wow, was it ever a dog. Yeah, I get it: the company who shat Systemd on the planet can’t be asked to do much better, but still.

leisesprecher@feddit.org on 17 Jan 07:22 collapse

So, you fucked up and it’s postgres’ fault?

Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg on 17 Jan 01:57 next collapse

PostgreSQL is just better. It’s supports transactions on DDL (things like altering table structure) and enforces unique constraints after transactions complete … so you can actually do a bunch of important stuff (like update your table structure or swap unique values between rows) safely.

droopy4096@lemmy.ca on 17 Jan 02:29 next collapse

My opinion is that of the two Postres is more “adult”. So if you want to"just wing it" MariaDB would work, but if you’re serious Postgres is a better choice. However Postgres also requires better understanding of you setup etc. So it’s a ROI game - what’s more important to your project, how complex your DB is, what are the requirements for availability, transaction security etc. There is no “better” or “worse” there’s “feasible” and “prohibitive” 😉

badbytes@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 02:43 next collapse

I’d vote for MariaDB or Postgres

Jerry@feddit.online on 17 Jan 13:24 collapse

Nope. Locked inside a VPC with only one VPS allowed to communicate with it.

rumba@lemmy.zip on 17 Jan 02:53 next collapse

Hardly anyone ever says mysql is better. Postgres has a lot of nice features, But they’re still a hell of a lot more people out there with mySQL experience.

If for some reason you really want to go mysql I would urge you to look into percona and percona tools. It’s incredibly fast super optimized. The tools let you do backups that my sequel could only dream of.

That said, if you don’t have any strong needs for mySQL, and you don’t have any experience with it I would probably start picking up postgres.

z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml on 17 Jan 03:39 next collapse

Most applications can do just fine with SQLite, but if you need something with a lot more write speed, go with PostgreSQL.

femtech@midwest.social on 17 Jan 05:42 next collapse

Postgres, the extensions and open source community have been very helpful.

Postgis for images

CloudNative-pg for running DB clusters in kuberneties.

halloween_spookster@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 05:53 next collapse

We have both MySQL and PostgreSQL in our production environment. Postgres is way nicer as a user of the DB. I created a document months ago outlining a dozen different things that Postgres does that MySQL either doesn’t do or does worse. I can’t speak to managing the DB as I don’t have experience with that.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 17 Jan 06:04 next collapse

You aren’t exposing the database right?

earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 17 Jan 06:07 next collapse

Avoid MySQL and MariaDB at all cost.

DeadMartyr@lemmy.zip on 17 Jan 07:03 collapse

I used MariaDB for school projects, what exactly is wrong with it? Asking because I’m just unaware

earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 17 Jan 07:30 next collapse

While there was a time, where those databases were considered “good”, they are only this famous because they have been free or open source for ages. Professors love open source stuff. This does not necessarily mean it is a good product in terms of database functionality. They have been stuck in the old age and simply get outperformed by almost anything. Professors also hate to change their slides and to learn something new. Because their priority is on functionality, not on real world use. And when you want to use a product in the real world, non-functional properties gain a lot of value. One of them is performance.

If you want to have a fast, reliable, open source database, use ClickHouse.

[deleted] on 17 Jan 07:39 next collapse
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earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 17 Jan 07:43 next collapse

Smear campaign with an open source product? Are you sure you still have a working organ between your ears?

That being said, my recommendation is based on using databases in big data environments for 15 years. But I am glad that your home lab is working fine with MariaDB. Does not mean it is a good product. And your comment just proves my point.

dallen@programming.dev on 17 Jan 08:03 collapse

The question was for an internet facing application, not a homelab.

As someone who has dealt with MariaDB in production, I would certainly look elsewhere. Haven’t had any colleagues who would disagree…

ByteJunk@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 08:42 collapse

You’re appealing to authority instead of presenting real arguments.

eutampieri@feddit.it on 17 Jan 10:34 next collapse

Click house is for OLAP workloads

earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 17 Jan 10:39 collapse

It was. Now compare the benchmark of OLTP tasks and you will be surprised

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 17 Jan 14:33 collapse

Generally speaking, if a professor recommends something, it probably sucks. Their information is incredibly outdated and is usually whatever they used in their own undergrad program.

At school I learned:

  • Java
  • PHP
  • MySQL
  • C#
  • C++
  • Racket (Lisp)

Each of those has a better alternative, with C# being the least bad. For example:

  • Java -> Kotlin
  • PHP -> Python
  • MySQL -> SQLite or Postgres
  • C# -> Python (desktop QT GUIs) or web stack (e.g. Tauri for desktop web stack)
  • C++ -> Rust (non-games) or a game engine
  • Lisp -> Haskell

Formal education is for learning concepts, learn programming languages and tools on your own.

msage@programming.dev on 17 Jan 10:33 collapse

Many things, too many to even remember.

Very bad SQL implementation is a good start, still bad replication support (compared to Postgres), various bugs present for too long…

www.sql-workbench.eu/dbms_comparison.html this comparison is a bit out of date, but explains a lot

msage@programming.dev on 17 Jan 09:56 next collapse

Postgres is far superior in every way.

We used MySQL (and Percona XtraDB) servers at work, and it is so bad. So I made several presentations showing generic and specific reasons why Postgres is better. I had to cut a lot of content because MySQL is just that bad.

Some things may not seem relevant now, but as you keep the DB around long enough, you will appreciate the whole package of Postgres.

Things that will help a lot, but are extensions:

  • pg_partman - for automatic partition management
  • patroni - management of replicas, automatic failover - it does everything for you with simple commands

There is a DB comparison matrix, but hasn’t been updated in over a year, which is a shame, but still gives you the idea of how different databases support SQL features: link.

Spoiler: postgres has the most support, with a huge lead

Edit: MySQL is dead last, btw

ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml on 17 Jan 10:04 next collapse

The answer is impossible to answer until you tell us more about your needs. Better choice considering what?

In general, untill you have terabytes of data or a significant amount of traffic (operations per second) database choice does not matter and you should be using cheaper option, where the cost should be assessed as a derivative of price of hosting, cost per operation, cost to deliver (how familiar you are with it).

When you have significant amount of data or traffic - only then you should worry about database kind or language. Until then this could be a premature optimization.

tobogganablaze@lemmus.org on 17 Jan 10:43 next collapse

I’d choose which ever one is not PostgreSQL.

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 17 Jan 14:34 collapse

Then you’d be wrong. Unless you pick SQLite and that’s all you need.

AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space on 17 Jan 12:21 next collapse

I have historically gone with PostgreSQL and had no complaints. The licensing issues concerning MySQL also give one pause (Oracle are greedy bastards who will use any excuse to extract money from captive customers, so depending on their properties is to be avoided). Having said that, these days, SQLite is probably sufficient for many workloads and has the advantage of not requiring a database server.

expr@programming.dev on 17 Jan 12:52 next collapse

Postgres, hands down. It’s far better than MySQL in every way.

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 17 Jan 14:20 collapse

Postgres. It’s more strict by default, which leads to a lot fewer surprises.

Here’s my rule of thumb:

  1. SQLite - if it’s enough
  2. Postgres
  3. MariaDB - if you don’t care about your data and just want the thing to work
  4. MySQL - if you sold your soul to Oracle, but still can’t afford their license fee
  5. Something else - you’re a hipster or have very unique requirements