Why is Unraid popular in the self-hosting community ?
from KaKi87@jlai.lu to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 09:27
https://jlai.lu/post/27456341

It’s proprietary, after all. I understand paid is fine, but even then, it usually better be open source.

So, why is Unraid an exception ?

Thanks

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hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org on 19 Oct 09:34 next collapse

Some don’t care much about the license. Like how many people run Xpenology (hacked synology dsm) or Plex or stuff like that.

StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org on 19 Oct 09:37 next collapse

If I had to guess, never having used it myself, is that it has a decent UI that simplifies sometimes complicated operations and it has been around seemingly forever.

smegger@aussie.zone on 19 Oct 10:02 next collapse

Unraid is easy to start with when you have no idea what you’re doing. Other stuff often requires more up front work to setup.

The paid licence is just the cost of the conveniences.

Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social on 19 Oct 11:12 next collapse

Is it much easier than TrueNAS?

I went with TrueNAS because it’s open-source, and it’s been smooth sailing.

(I just use it as a NAS, nothing more)

dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works on 19 Oct 15:19 next collapse

Couldn’t say, for me it was way way easier than ESXI which was my first break into the space. And also more complete / straightforward than bare metal which was what I had been doing before unraid.

I paid for the lifetime license. No regrets.

WASTECH@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 18:21 collapse

I’ve tried both Unraid and TrueNAS. While I greatly prefer TrueNAS, Unraid is much easier to set up and get going for beginners. It’s been a while since I’ve set up TrueNAS from scratch, but last I tried, it wasn’t a very beginner friendly experience. If you weren’t already familiar with ZFS, you were in for a pretty difficult time.

EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 18:18 collapse

UnRAID is also great when you know exactly what you’re doing but you do this stuff for work every day and your home stuff you want to be easy and out of the box lol.

andronicus@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 19:00 collapse

My only regret is that I have only one upvote to give this post.

Just because I have the skills to setup a cluster of mini-pcs doesn’t mean I want to spend my one-precious-fucking-spare-hour a day making the thing work.

See also: a builder’s house, a mechanic’s car etc

filister@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 10:07 next collapse

Because it is beginner friendly and it has a lifetime license I guess and it is not yet enshittified.

Greddan@feddit.org on 19 Oct 10:09 next collapse

I think it’s neat. It has tons guides and plugins to do pretty much anything. Other solutions can be lacking in documentation. One big plus is the way you can just throw in whatever drives you’ve got laying around and not have to worry about them matching or anything. Is it the best performing? Probably not but it doesn’t need to be. For me it just hosts files and a bunch of fairly lightweight services.

huquad@lemmy.ml on 19 Oct 10:11 next collapse

For me, it was initially a jumping off point because I was more comfortable with GUIs. Now it’s a matter of convenience. I’m much better than I was with CLI, docker, etc, but I find unraid makes management easier. Proprietary doesn’t necessarily equal bad. Since it’s built on top of open source, you can pivot if they start pulling stupid shit.

mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud on 19 Oct 10:24 next collapse

If I’ve learned anything in the 30 odd years homelabing and running a SaaS application, it’s that you need to learn the basics of the command line. That will help you master running anything on a nix server.

But must new homelabers are only able to use a gui, so unraid is the best way to get into running stuff with the least effort.

I keep thinking a homelab 101 course would help those new to homelabing get going without a gui.

dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works on 19 Oct 15:17 collapse

Oh hi I picked up Linux for the CLI and shell and the UI for me has nothing to do with it.

There is no easy way to break into the scene and unraid is a one stop shop. So you want to set up a few little projects on your own? It’s learning containerization, learning networking and NAT, figuring out filesystems (and shares and share locations) and backup strategies, how to integrate with VPN, deployment strategies and templates (think Ansible, docker compose, make scripts, etc). There’s a shitload to know and not a “for dummies” place to learn it.

Considering the “easy” first project of ARR suite + jackett, integrate with transmission, and integrate with jellyfin or Plex: this is not a couple hours of work if you’ve never done it before. With unraid it’s probably one video tutorial and less than an hour? Idk I haven’t done that one yet. But it’s a common request.

There are a lot of things that need to hang together for a good homelab to work, and unraid for me has made it so I don’t have to spend all my time doing plumbing and background work to try a project and see if I even want to use it.

I would absolutely do a 101 on self hosting, but it seems everybody has different priorities on what to host and how so it’s probably not cut and dry to implement.

mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud on 19 Oct 18:18 collapse

The course would be more of a ‘how do you use the terminal and where to find help’

As a lot of the requests I see are the result of not having good experience on the command line, once you can use a terminal the world is yours to command

rotkehle@feddit.org on 19 Oct 10:50 next collapse

I just tinkered a bit with zimaos and I was pretty impressed. if it keeps getting updated I can see unraid getting a serious competitor. but yes the question still stands why there isn’t something similar beginner friendly in the opensource space.

rtxn@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 10:53 next collapse

Even in the open source community, the libre-ness of a product is just one of many factors. The fitness for a purpose, the initial difficulty of the setup, the continuous difficulty of operation and maintenance, the pace of development (if applicable), the professional or community support structure, the projected longevity of the product or service, and the general insanity of the people involved are all important factors that can, and often do outweigh the importance of open software.

poVoq@slrpnk.net on 19 Oct 11:01 next collapse

It is? Where? Please don’t say Reddit as that is full of advertisement bots pretending to be regular users.

I am more surprised by how popular Proxmox seems to be here, which is really just adding a lot of unnecessary complexity, but I guess the GUI comments others here shared applies to it as well.

KaKi87@jlai.lu on 19 Oct 11:41 next collapse

In this very community, I’ve seen plenty of Unraid posts, as much as I do on Reddit.

suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 14:51 next collapse

I am more surprised by how popular Proxmox seems to be here, which is really just adding a lot of unnecessary complexity

I switched to Proxmox for one reason: PBS. As far as I know there is no match with plain KVM. Proxmox also makes setting up and maintaining a high-availability setup very easy, which is a nice bonus.

EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 18:11 collapse

UnRAID is very popular in the general self hosting community.

Enoril@jlai.lu on 19 Oct 11:02 next collapse

For me, it was the parity system and the fact that i could mix different disk sizes and the vm + graphic card pass-through setup. Unraid helped me to start in this world.

Years later, after gaining experience on all of that and investing in dedicated pcie card and disks, I’ve moved to truenas my data and containers.

Still using unraid for the vm part. But i plan to migrate to truenas too at some point.

Nighed@feddit.uk on 19 Oct 12:47 next collapse

Has a nice UI, let’s me mix and match disks, let’s me host docker containers plus a VM with gpu pass through.

All basically out of the box. (Ok - Pass through was a bastard) All for a one off price.

I don’t know if there are other options that let me do all of that, unraid has always been the one mentioned.

roofuskit@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 13:35 next collapse

To note, unless you buy the most expensive tier it’s no longer a one time purchase.

Nighed@feddit.uk on 19 Oct 15:30 next collapse

Good point. I got 1 year of ultimate, with the plan to upgrade to perpetual if it was good (it is!).

The cost of that is still less than the cost would have been to buy new matching drives.

MrQuallzin@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 16:15 next collapse

It’s still a one time purchase for the license. It’s only OS updates that would need to be paid for yearly after the 1st year

nfreak@lemmy.ml on 19 Oct 17:21 collapse

Yep they changed this somewhat recently I believe? Like a year or two back, not sure - before my time.

Last I checked I think it’s now like $50 or $60 for the first year, and renewals are half that, so definitely not terrible.

roofuskit@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 18:39 collapse

Yeah in the past year or so. I grandfathered in before they raised the price of that highest tier so I like to be sure people are aware. I’m a big fan and I think it’s worth the price.

nfreak@lemmy.ml on 19 Oct 14:29 next collapse

Mixing disks is the #1 reason I went with unraid over any other option.

StopSpazzing@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 03:08 collapse

Zfs and truenas core do this fine

B0rax@feddit.org on 20 Oct 07:31 collapse

Please elaborate. I have only found that all drives will be treated as they would have the smallest capacity in the bunch.

There is some manual workarounds, which is would not call „can do it fine“

Or am I missing something?

krooklochurm@lemmy.ca on 19 Oct 14:46 collapse

Pass through is always a bastard.

Nighed@feddit.uk on 19 Oct 15:33 next collapse

It just needed the AMD compatibility plugin, lots of time wasted until someone pointed that out though.

krooklochurm@lemmy.ca on 19 Oct 15:49 collapse

I’ve always found it helpful to use the time stone and yell “IOMMU I’ve come to bargain” until it works.

Damage@feddit.it on 19 Oct 14:10 next collapse

I think because it’s got a black background in the UI and it makes people feel like hackers. OpenMediaVault’s choice of white and light blue is way less 1337.

lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Oct 19:48 collapse

OMV has dark mode.

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Damage@feddit.it on 20 Oct 10:50 collapse

I know, I use myself, I was just poking fun. Lemmy’s became so fucking unfunny lately.

dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works on 19 Oct 15:18 next collapse

Because it’s easy and does all the hard stuff out of the box? Also any sized drives!

i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca on 19 Oct 16:35 next collapse

They have (had?) a fairly generous free tier that works well for people starting out.

I ended up buying a license after evaluation because the UI provides everything I reasonably want to do, it’s fundamentally a Linux server so I can change things I need, and it requires virtually zero fucking around to get started and keep running.

I guess the short answer is: it ticks a lot of boxes.

EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world on 19 Oct 18:07 next collapse

You’ve mistakenly conflated the Self Hosted community with the FOSS community. There is a lot of overlap in interests between the two, but the venn diagram of those communities are not at all a circle. UnRAID isn’t an exception to self hosting, it’s a textbook example of selfhosting.

It’s a similar thing with the SH community and HomeLabbing. All home labs are selfhosted obviously, but home labs are sandboxes for learning, testing and prototyping. A raspberry pi that runs one service your home depends on that you don’t tinker with outside of updates isn’t a home lab.

bytesonbike@discuss.online on 19 Oct 22:05 collapse

This was my mistake when I started self hosting a few years ago!

I went all-in on FOSS. And my God, it was constantly a maintenance nightmare for some apps. Some would break with updates. Some times I felt I was playing wackamole replacing one set of problems with new ones.

Then I met a swlf-hoster who has been doing self hosting for two decades and he helped he unfuck my stuff by recommending commercial and paid services. And honestly, it was awesome because I’m too old for this shit. I just want working services.

AAA@feddit.org on 19 Oct 19:22 next collapse

Decent UI. Affordable lifetime pricing. Actually just-works. No retrospective enshittification. Free trial is actually free, not ad supported.

You get what you pay for, and you’re not the product.

B0rax@feddit.org on 20 Oct 07:07 next collapse

Free Tier? You mean the 30 day trial?

AAA@feddit.org on 20 Oct 08:29 collapse

I genuinely thought it’s not limited, but yes, the trial.

fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 15:59 collapse

*No retrospective enshittification yet

Its not yours they can at any time choose to do so

AAA@feddit.org on 21 Oct 17:18 collapse

But they haven’t so far, and the question was why it’s popular at this moment.

Possible future enshittification disqualifies all software, unless you prevent it from going online - which you can also do with Unraid.

fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 18:24 collapse

No enshittification is a proprietary software disease. FOSS can be rug pulled and future development can become proprietary, or enshitifued features added (Ubuntu as an example both with Snap and selling search data) but it is MUCH MUCH harder then starting proprietary.

It being self hosted is one of the few real protections it has.

AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today on 19 Oct 21:44 next collapse

I picked unRAID to be able to mix disk sizes. It also requires little maintenance in my experience, so that’s also a plus.

MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 19 Oct 22:29 next collapse

The big thing is very easily mix and match different sizes of disks. ZFS as of recently can sort of do that, but its not as efficient.

StopSpazzing@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 03:06 next collapse

Can 100% do this. Not just kinda. Works fine.

percent@infosec.pub on 20 Oct 04:43 next collapse

Can it access a file without spinning up all disks in the array?

I haven’t used ZFS in like a decade, but would strongly consider going back to it if it can do that now.

eclipse@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 13:23 next collapse

Not really with the same flexibility.

You only get usable capacity of the smallest disk in a vdev or you have to add a new vdev with your newly sized disks.

Unraid lets you mix and match however you like and get all the usable capacity (as long as your parity is your largest sized disks).

MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Oct 16:29 collapse

It can’t, you lose space efficiency if the disks you add aren’t the same size as the old disks.

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daq@lemmy.sdf.org on 20 Oct 05:24 collapse

Mergerfs can do that too and you can keep the underlying fs as whatever you want.

B0rax@feddit.org on 20 Oct 07:12 next collapse

Yes, but it does not have redundancy or caching. Redundancy can be achieved with snapraid, but how you get caching I don’t know…

daq@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Oct 16:55 collapse

Doesn’t work for every use case, but perfect for mine. I was just pointing out other options.

B0rax@feddit.org on 21 Oct 19:01 collapse

And that is good! It would have been a better answer if you mentioned these major limitations as well so that interested people don’t need to look it up :)

MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Oct 16:28 collapse

It has no parity, you can pair with snapraid but thats snapshot parity and not real-time parity. Depends on the use case if that would work or not.

Also no caching options.

daq@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Oct 16:53 collapse

Valid points. I use it for my media collection I can easily restore and won’t miss. Cache would be sort of nice to have and redundancy would just be wasting space.

MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Oct 01:14 collapse

Yeah media is a good use case for it, and doesnt really need cache either.

_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus on 20 Oct 02:16 next collapse

It’s less hassle than maintaining my homelab was when I used Ubuntu server. Just because I can do it the “hard way”, doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy easy mode and not having to do much of anything.

They give you exactly what they promise with zero enshitification. It’s a solid product and was worth it to me to buy, just for the convenience.

CallMeMrFlipper@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 05:48 collapse

I get that. But at the same time, when shit does go wrong, it’s so much harder to work around their whole system when it’s so unfamiliar. I’m not speaking from experience with unraid. Just other NAS solutions (TrueNAS) and other “easy mode” options from other tech. I almost always end up tossing it out for the less hand-holing option. Because then I have to understand it, and if I understand it, it becomes so much easier.

_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus on 20 Oct 12:30 collapse

I’ve never once had anything go wrong with Unraid. But even if I did, it’s pretty painless to restore a backup since the OS is on a USB drive and isn’t very big.

DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml on 20 Oct 04:40 next collapse

Off-topic, but if you want a competent Unraid alternative, then try Proxmox.

B0rax@feddit.org on 20 Oct 07:05 next collapse

Which is still not nearly as userfriendly as unraid.

With unraid I can browse the community store, click install and with juste one additional click I most of the time have this service fully running. It notifies me if there is an update and I can install updates with a single click.

With proxmox, I have yet to figure out how to update the installed services without manually ssh-ing in every single container and run a specific update command.

Unraid is light years ahead in terms of userfriendly ux for novice users.

fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 16:57 collapse

I use Ranchers store for that reason. Update the chart and the whole service updates.

Just wish they had a homesteader (this is what would call it) kind of chart catalog that had some some good defaults for homelab use. You know assume longhorn CSI, 1 to 12 node clusters, small users (1 to 20) base, etc. Pack depencies from other charts in the catalog (if you need one postgress db, reuse as much of that deployment for the next app that needs it, etc).

You CAN do all of that now, but each app isn’t really aware of each other, and you have to set the configs for your actual lab.

B0rax@feddit.org on 21 Oct 19:47 collapse

I am a hesitating running a VM in proxmox to run my docker services there. It doesn’t feel right to me (maybe I am wrong, what do I know…).

I also do not understand yet how this would work in a cluster. I don’t want all the services bundled on one node (then the whole cluster thing would have been a pointless exercise haha)

fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works on 21 Oct 20:25 collapse

VM nodes still let you do rolling OS updates for everything besides the hypervisor.

I do get you. Its why I run bare metal containers on the Harvester cluster. A whole VM just feels wasteful for some of this stuff. I also have like 12 nodes (some new, some junk, some pus) though, so I keep baremetal workloads off of hypervisor/management nodes.

Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 20 Oct 10:20 collapse

Arent they different solutions that also offer overlapping features (e.g. VMs and Containerization).

I would rather compare Proxmox with Hyper-V than Unraid.

Wispy2891@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 06:06 next collapse

They had the right product at the right time. No other free or paid alternative was that user friendly in allowing laymen in mixing and matching multiple disks and having redundancy

Doing that with pure Linux command line at the time it was inconceivable for 99% of users (at most a raid1 with mdadm over two drives could be easily attained) and windows home server initially was an alternative but Microsoft was completely misguided and “improvements” in Windows home server 2 completely killed it

Then they added docker support and it was even easier to self host everything.

But if they tried to launch today, with how mature are free alternatives, they would never reach critical mass adoption to be sustainable.

For example, I don’t think that the paid fork of truenas that LTT has economically backed is going to be successful

Wispy2891@lemmy.world on 20 Oct 06:29 next collapse

As an user that paid for windows home server, why windows home server 2(011) was a complete failure

  1. Updating to whs2 required a full wipe - unacceptable by everyone
  2. Updating to whs2 required to pay full price and not upgrade price - lol
  3. The system drive wasn’t covered by redundancy and you would lose all the settings if the drive died
  4. The data drives also couldn’t get any kind of redundancy as they REMOVED the feature from the server and moved it to clients! What the fuck? It was the main selling point! Easy raid for everyone. What’s the purpose of the “home server” if it couldn’t pool drives, while the clients with Windows 8 home instead could set a massive, redundant, pool of 10 drives???
  5. They removed the useful feature that backed up automatically all the windows computers in the network
  6. They removed the basic features like the media gallery and such, to see that you would need windows media center… but 6 years after they killed windows media center
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 20 Oct 10:18 collapse

For example, I don’t think that the paid fork of truenas that LTT has economically backed is going to be successful

Maybe not in the short term.
But he mentions them on every ocassion they’d use TrueNAS that doesnt require advanced configuration.

And it really is just a pretty frontend with some additional features.
So I don’t see why it can’t be successful (except for too high prices)

thepompe@ttrpg.network on 20 Oct 08:13 next collapse

I’ve never heard of it, but because it’s proprietary I assume useful idiots who don’t know any better use it just to fit in with each other.

I see it a lot these days.

Sunny@slrpnk.net on 20 Oct 08:27 collapse

Proprietary doesn’t necessarily have to be bad, obviously this will vary from person to person and who you ask. Personally Ive listened to enough podcasts with Unraid folks in them and read articles etc to be able base my trust in them and what they do.

Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 20 Oct 10:16 collapse

Except you kinda get crucified for not using (F)OSS on lemmy^(exceptions apply)

Exceptions I encountered:

  • Apple (to some degree)
  • Plex
  • Unraid
Sunny@slrpnk.net on 20 Oct 12:01 collapse

Since you mentioned Plex, HAVE YOU HEARD OF JELLYFIN?

/s

Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 20 Oct 12:23 collapse

Yep.
And they released today the new version 10.11.0 with massive improvements (according to the changelog/blog) to the server.

Make sure to try it ;)

FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au on 21 Oct 15:28 collapse

Still got those gaping security holes that mean you should never expose it to the internet?